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The landlocked isles

Christian Democrats wrote:One of my beefs with the game is that the Civil Rights rating is not always consistent. It's supposed to measure the absence of laws regulating conduct. Sometimes, however, an issue option will increase the Civil Rights rating just because it's "liberal" even though it doesn't involve a reduction in law or social pressure.

Agreed, although I could not think of an example off the top of my head.

The landlocked isles wrote:Agreed, although I could not think of an example off the top of my head.

I think banning corporal punishment of children increases Civil Rights even though it should bring about a decrease.

The landlocked isles

Christian Democrats wrote:I think banning corporal punishment of children increases Civil Rights even though it should bring about a decrease.

I know I have gotten both results, depending on the nation. I do not remember what kind of nation generated which outcome--I have all sorts.

The landlocked isles wrote:I know I have gotten both results, depending on the nation. I do not remember what kind of nation generated which outcome--I have all sorts.

Yeah, now that I think about it, I believe I've experienced the same. Anyway, the prohibition of corporal punishment should reduce Civil Rights in all nations because it infringes on parental liberty, it invades the privacy of the home, and it involves the use of (more) law against individuals (parents) for their (personal) conduct.

Perhaps, corporal punishment should be restricted or banned for moral reasons; but it's not a civil rights issue. The coding of that option as a civil rights issue reflects a liberal bias, namely turning everything into a "right."

Christian Democrats wrote:One of my beefs with the game is that the Civil Rights rating is not always consistent. It's supposed to measure the absence of laws regulating conduct. Sometimes, however, an issue option will increase the Civil Rights rating just because it's "liberal" even though it doesn't involve a reduction in law or social pressure.

I don't really think the civil rights rating is just increased through liberal options, i mainly look at the civil rights option being freedoms, a nation with freighting civil rights would basically have no laws and would be a form of anarchy.

Crusaderville wrote:I don't really think the civil rights rating is just increased through liberal options, i mainly look at the civil rights option being freedoms, a nation with freighting civil rights would basically have no laws and would be a form of anarchy.

The key word was "sometimes." For instance, laws against corporal punishment sometimes increase Civil Rights even though they shouldn't. A Civil Rights rating of 100 should be given to nations that have no laws regulating personal (non-economic, non-political) conduct whatsoever.

I agree with you in principle. Fewer laws should mean higher Civil Rights.

Christian Democrats wrote:The key word was "sometimes." For instance, laws against corporal punishment sometimes increase Civil Rights even though they shouldn't. A Civil Rights rating of 100 should be given to nations that have no laws regulating personal (non-economic, non-political) conduct whatsoever.

Yes i agree, sometimes political options decrease civil rights, which IRL they would, but why have a whole political freedoms option if a political issue doesnt decrease political freedom but decreases civil.

Also when my nation was first founded it had a horrible environment just because i chose Strongly Agree on the corporation option.

The masses empire

Christian Democrats wrote:Sometimes, however, an issue option will increase the Civil Rights rating just because it's "liberal" even though it doesn't involve a reduction in law or social pressure.

That is just plain old wrong.

The landlocked isles wrote: I would imagine that most NSers are in favor of abortion, but you would be hard-pressed to find any that were truly in favor of murder. After all, it is far easier to argue in support of women's rights.

I once heard a speaker talk along the lines of this. To paraphrase: Abortionist are not anti-life because they like living; on the other hand those who are against abortion are not anti-choice because they believe in the choice to participate in the actions that leads to this point. This choice is called free-will.

The landlocked isles

Christian Democrats wrote:I agree with you in principle. Fewer laws should mean higher Civil Rights.

I just received the issue with the Animal Liberators and the chicken snack packs, which is a good example of this problem. The options are:

1. Stop people from protesting, and allow people to continue eating chicken.
2. Ban animal abuse, and allow people to eat only cruelty-free chicken.
3. Free all animals, and ban all meat.
4. Tax meat to stop people from buying it.

I picked #1, trying to drop my Political Freedom, but my Civil Rights dropped instead while my Political Freedom saw no change. It seems like #1 should increase Civil and Economic but decrease Political, #2 should decrease Economic, #3 should decrease Civil and Economic, and #4 should decrease Civil. Clearly, the editors disagree.

The landlocked isles wrote:I just received the issue with the Animal Liberators and the chicken snack packs, which is a good example of this problem. The options are:
1. Stop people from protesting, and allow people to continue eating chicken.
2. Ban animal abuse, and allow people to eat only cruelty-free chicken.
3. Free all animals, and ban all meat.
4. Tax meat to stop people from buying it.
I picked #1, trying to drop my Political Freedom, but my Civil Rights dropped instead while my Political Freedom saw no change. It seems like #1 should increase Civil and Economic but decrease Political, #2 should decrease Economic, #3 should decrease Civil and Economic, and #4 should decrease Civil. Clearly, the editors disagree.

4 does decrease civil.
Outlawing protesting could be considered a civil right too though.

The landlocked isles wrote:I just received the issue with the Animal Liberators and the chicken snack packs, which is a good example of this problem. The options are:
1. Stop people from protesting, and allow people to continue eating chicken.
2. Ban animal abuse, and allow people to eat only cruelty-free chicken.
3. Free all animals, and ban all meat.
4. Tax meat to stop people from buying it.
I picked #1, trying to drop my Political Freedom, but my Civil Rights dropped instead while my Political Freedom saw no change. It seems like #1 should increase Civil and Economic but decrease Political, #2 should decrease Economic, #3 should decrease Civil and Economic, and #4 should decrease Civil. Clearly, the editors disagree.

You could report the issue in the "Got Issues?" forum.

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=370351

Right now, nominations are open in Pro-Life International (PLI) for First Secretary and Second Secretary.

http://w11.zetaboards.com/NS_Right_to_Life/topic/11727547/1/

I just want to remind everybody that this multiregional alliance still exists. Anybody who is a member of a PLI region is eligible to run. Each region will get one vote, cast by its representative.

Here are the current secretaries and representatives:

First Secretary -- Aawia (Right to Life)
Second Secretary -- Frustrated Franciscans (Catholic)

Catholic -- Frustrated Franciscans
Coalition of Catholic States -- Wagafraga
International Republican Union -- vacant
League of Christian Nations -- The united pacific territories
Right to Life -- United massachusetts
The League of Conservative Nations -- vacant

To appoint a new representative, all your region has to do is send somebody over to the PLI forums.

http://w11.zetaboards.com/NS_Right_to_Life/forum/3862279/

Ideally, the new secretaries will work with the Diplomatic Assembly to organize another pro-life conference before the end of the year. Our last conference was held on August 4-11, 2013. There were 28 participants and 425 posts (or 61 posts per day). It was hosted on the regional forums of Right to Life.

The landlocked isles wrote:Congratulations. I remember how messy that was, so it is good to have that last reminder gone. Will you continue to use Railana as before?

Yes, at least for now.

The French masonic state aborts 200,000 children each year. Should Catholics accept it's "protection" from it's jihadi nutcases?
Or is that a betrayal of the unborn?

Oire wrote:The French masonic state aborts 200,000 children each year. Should Catholics accept it's "protection" from it's jihadi nutcases?
Or is that a betrayal of the unborn?

What I have never understood is why we don't excommunicate politicians for propagating abortion.

Auralia, Christian Democrats, The masses empire, and The landlocked isles

Happy birthday, Frustrated Franciscans!

Severania and The masses empire

The landlocked isles

Severania wrote:What I have never understood is why we don't excommunicate politicians for propagating abortion.

I support that motion.

The masses empire

Severania wrote:What I have never understood is why we don't excommunicate politicians for propagating abortion.

You have my vote in the motion.

Ugh. My economy used to be 163rd in the world. Now it's like 9000th because of one issue. How does that even make sense.

Hello, Catholic. I see that you're discussing the important topic of protecting unborn children from homicide. I hope all is well here. Right to Life just published its July 2016 Newsletter in case any of you are interested in reading.

Pro-life wrote:Hello, Catholic. I see that you're discussing the important topic of protecting unborn children from homicide. I hope all is well here. Right to Life just published its July 2016 Newsletter in case any of you are interested in reading.

Tell Ovybia he was right about Star Wars.
He waas riiight....

The landlocked isles

"Record sales of 'child-whacking sticks' have been reported."
"Social Conservatism -> +13.8%"
"Weaponization -> -.52%"
"Civil Rights -> -2.3%"

k, NS.

If any of y'all have an iFunny account, sub to me: ArchbishopIX_iRC. I just republish content but whatever lol. I'll sub back to you. Just let me know on here.

Oire wrote:Tell Ovybia he was right about Star Wars.
He waas riiight....

Well, Ovybia just retired from the game . . .

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