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Welcome to Ainur The coalesced americas! Don't let the war roleplay scare you, we're really very nice people! :D

You ought to join us on our regional forums, they're where everything from politics to short stories are posted!

Here's the address: www.w11.zetaboards.com/New_Ainur

Hi Caorols! Welcome to Ainur! You've chosen a great region, most of what we do is on our regional forums. The address is in the message above. It's really quick and easy to join them.

If you have any questions about how to register on our forums, please let me know!

Hello my fellow Nation states friends

Welcome to Ainur, The ganster. I hope that you'll enjoy your stay with us.

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Apparently you can be a democracy and not grant your citizens a right to vote :P

Whut.

Escanthea wrote:Apparently you can be a democracy and not grant your citizens a right to vote :P

Perhaps it's that they can suggest legislation through their representatives or petitions, they just can't actually do anything to ensure it goes into action.

The Bermudan Pentagram wrote:Perhaps it's that they can suggest legislation through their representatives or petitions, they just can't actually do anything to ensure it goes into action.

What a sad way to live.

Ideals wrote:What a sad way to live.

Sad way to govern. I'm sure their lives are okay in the country in question.

I had Waffle House today.

Thalasus wrote:Sad way to govern. I'm sure their lives are okay in the country in question.

But how do you know your life will stay that way? At any time they could pass legislation that would ruin there life.

Ideals wrote:But how do you know your life will stay that way? At any time they could pass legislation that would ruin their life.

Then it's revolution time.

That's the way most governments worked until the advent of institutional democracy. You would have an authority in power (king, nobles, oligarchy, etc.) who the average citizens would petition to those in power for their needs. When the power didn't respond to the people, the people rose up and deposed that power and instituted their own.

Ideals wrote:But how do you know your life will stay that way? At any time they could pass legislation that would ruin there life.

Well, yeah.
You run that risk with a non-democratic state; you're trading theoretical efficiency for possible tyranny.
It's a next-level risk/reward gamble.
While I certainly favor a benevolent dictatorship, on the grounds that you can get things done a lot easier (hence why I run a Father Knows Best state, because I know I'm a perfect and infallible human being /sarcasm), there's always the possibility that said benevolent dictator dies and is replaced by an incompetent psychopath, or goes senile and the government is hijacked, or changes his ideals, or simply goes insane. There's no guarantees.
At least with a democracy, sure, you're not getting anything done, but at least the majority stays largely happy, since whatever they wanted was already put into the constitution.

The Bermudan Pentagram wrote:Well, yeah.
You run that risk with a non-democratic state; you're trading theoretical efficiency for possible tyranny.
It's a next-level risk/reward gamble.
While I certainly favor a benevolent dictatorship, on the grounds that you can get things done a lot easier (hence why I run a Father Knows Best state, because I know I'm a perfect and infallible human being /sarcasm), there's always the possibility that said benevolent dictator dies and is replaced by an incompetent psychopath, or goes senile and the government is hijacked, or changes his ideals, or simply goes insane. There's no guarantees.
At least with a democracy, sure, you're not getting anything done, but at least the majority stays largely happy, since whatever they wanted was already put into the constitution.

But then a democracy can become corrupt and politicians line their pockets at the expense of the people. In a dictatorship there is no room for soft fat useless people because you don't have a spoils system enabling them to gain an office. In a military-focused government like myself we don't look too kindly on worms and fat cats. Legend of the Galactic Heroes, an old 80s-90s OVA series, was pretty much based around the conflict of a bloated modern democracy and a military dictatorship that became more and more benevolent as the series goes on. Quite interesting stuff if you find the time.

Ideals wrote:What a sad way to live.

Judging by the game's analysis, it's a more healthy way to live too.

Escanthea wrote:But then a democracy can become corrupt and politicians line their pockets at the expense of the people. In a dictatorship there is no room for soft fat useless people because you don't have a spoils system enabling them to gain an office. In a military-focused government like myself we don't look too kindly on worms and fat cats. Legend of the Galactic Heroes, an old 80s-90s OVA series, was pretty much based around the conflict of a bloated modern democracy and a military dictatorship that became more and more benevolent as the series goes on. Quite interesting stuff if you find the time.

Very true. But at least institutional democracies have a tendency to at least try and answer to the needs of the people. Despots and dictators are defined by answering to nobody but themselves, for better or worse.

Escanthea wrote:But then a democracy can become corrupt and politicians line their pockets at the expense of the people. In a dictatorship there is no room for soft fat useless people because you don't have a spoils system enabling them to gain an office. In a military-focused government like myself we don't look too kindly on worms and fat cats. Legend of the Galactic Heroes, an old 80s-90s OVA series, was pretty much based around the conflict of a bloated modern democracy and a military dictatorship that became more and more benevolent as the series goes on. Quite interesting stuff if you find the time.

My point was that there are advantages to both systems; in a democracy, there are checks and balances; while you can corrupt that system, it's relatively difficult. Unfortunately, those checks and balances make it difficult to get anything done.
In a dictatorship, there aren't as many checks and balances (or possibly none at all), and so it's easy to get things done, but it's relatively easier to corrupt the system, with things such as cronyism (Stalinst Russia or Nazi Germany), nepotism (North Korea), or any number of other things.
Even in a military government, there's plenty of room for incompetents. In fact, I'd wager that especially in a military government would this phenomenon be observable, because the skills to run a military are not necessarily the same skills that are needed to run a country, and it's not like the military is filled solely with the best and brightest anyway; there are incompetents in every organization, and some of them can worm their way to the top, or near enough, by playing politics.

As to the series, I'll look into it if I find the time. I'm sure it would be interesting.

I had a fun night! Even bought a new hookah :D

The burning sun

94 block wrote:I had a fun night! Even bought a new hookah :D

...not sure if pipe or hooker

The burning sun wrote:...not sure if pipe or hooker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgk-lA12FBk

Thalasus wrote:Very true. But at least institutional democracies have a tendency to at least try and answer to the needs of the people. Despots and dictators are defined by answering to nobody but themselves, for better or worse.

But their "solutions" often only end up benefiting themselves.

The Bermudan Pentagram wrote:My point was that there are advantages to both systems; in a democracy, there are checks and balances; while you can corrupt that system, it's relatively difficult. Unfortunately, those checks and balances make it difficult to get anything done.
In a dictatorship, there aren't as many checks and balances (or possibly none at all), and so it's easy to get things done, but it's relatively easier to corrupt the system, with things such as cronyism (Stalinst Russia or Nazi Germany), nepotism (North Korea), or any number of other things.
Even in a military government, there's plenty of room for incompetents. In fact, I'd wager that especially in a military government would this phenomenon be observable, because the skills to run a military are not necessarily the same skills that are needed to run a country, and it's not like the military is filled solely with the best and brightest anyway; there are incompetents in every organization, and some of them can worm their way to the top, or near enough, by playing politics.

As to the series, I'll look into it if I find the time. I'm sure it would be interesting.

Perhaps, but in my government the monarch himself appoints a competent successor rather than relying on eldest born or whoever the nobility thinks would be easiest to control. In this way we have had an almost unbroken line of good monarchs. Monarchs that aren't very good are killed in their sleep by the numerous Monarchist Nationalist organizations whose job it is to maintain the prestige of our dynasty. We DO have checks and balances, you just don't see them at the surface level of government.

lol im a christian nation and im implementing a jizya tax

Lol... someone just tried to commend me for, among other things, "Being an active member of the NationStates community." I've CTE'd several times in the past year. Hardly call that "active."

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