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Mount Seymour wrote:

This was from a while ago: https://i.imgur.com/ld96LdI.png

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On NWA:

The cause of our misunderstandings seem to have sprung from two places-- on NWA's government's side, a lack of willingness to answer our questions in a way that cleared them up; and on our side, a lot of jumping to conclusions about who's to blame and exaggerating the involvement of most of the NWA. Which is a shame, because the issue that matters here (the lack of consequences or apology, and indeed continued harboring, of a player who outed a minor both in sexual orientation and mental health, by the NWA) becomes delegitimized if there are other, exaggerated claims being thrown around. No, I don't believe the NWA is an "anti-LGBT" region; yes, I do believe their government has shirked its responsibility, perpetuates an extremely problematic community, and has very little concern for serious OOC issues. No, I don't think the NWA should've been aware of our deliberations if we hadn't told them anything about it; yes, I do think their PM did not conduct good diplomacy in simply referring Turbeaux to the player responsible and shrugging the matter off. NWA don't have to be demons to be problematic embassies worth withdrawing for a very specific reason, and they don't have to demons to be just not quite the ideal Forest embassy for multiple reasons (I can't say I ever saw them as so compatible, even regardless of this incident - no offense to NWA meant, just that we're not such similar regions).

As the person who initially brought the matter to the attention of Forest's government (without necessarily the intention to bring up embassy closure), I can assure you that we're not making up things, Bergonnia. We were trying to keep the details from spreading all over the utter publicity of the RMB for the sake of the privacy of those involved.

As Forestians, we have to start reminding ourselves to watch for our own arrogance. There's a fair amount of self-praise that goes on sometimes here-- and I think most of the time it's deserved, we're a really special community! But we can't let the idea that we're better than everyone else make us act haughtily when dealing with other regions. If a region doesn't attend to our every wish and desire, we can withdraw embassies if we think they're not living up to our embassy expectations--because those are the standards we've set, no matter how reasonable--but we can't act like there's something morally wrong with their attitude. Just because we're Forest also doesn't absolve us of responsibility to act towards our embassies Golden Rule-style.

Our PM wasn’t around when the event in question took place. The offending party was banned by the mods and lost all government privileges. There was absolutely nothing else that could have been done. You all accuse us of inaction, yet that is blatantly untrue.

Furthermore when I tried to learn who in fact did spread false information I was rebuffed by this community. The NWA was not given anything close to what would be considered fair treatment. Embassies are gone for good, that I am sure of. The NWA no longer trusts the people of Forest, and I can’t say I blame them. I respect the humbleness most of you show in realizing your mistakes. I just hope that the next region you all debate having embassies with is given much fairer treatment than we were

Mount Seymour wrote:

The Thin White Duke was a Senator last I checked. That seems like government privileges.

You also could've, y'know, banned him from your community.

He was banned from NS for months. He was second in the region when he acted dumb and ended up losing everything. Only within the last couple months did he work his way back up to Senator.

He also did not “out” the person. The person and TWD has a spat that extended from back when the person was in the NWA. This person was essentially chased out of the region for bad behavior. I won’t get into details but the short version is both sides acted horrendously. What TWD did was inexcusable and he learned his lesson. He wasn’t a part of government till not long ago as a result. Remember, this occurred nearly a year ago.

The other person’s words should be taken with a grain of salt. While your government may claim to not remember where the information came from, only one person would care enough to bring this up after a full year. There is serious bad blood between the NWA and this other person due to this other person’s poor behavior in the region. I won’t go into it because, unlike some, I don’t much care about what happened a year ago. I moved on.

If y’all can’t move on and forgive then so be it. Just don’t slander our community with half truths. The LGBTQ community has nothing to do with the spat or anything else. For y’all to even bring something like that is an egregious statement. It was a personal feud that got out of hand. That’s all. I hope I have made that abundantly clear

Ransium wrote:

my pastes years.

And you call yourself an editor :P

Nice job!

Very nice work Raccoon Creek! Thanks, I enjoyed this very much.

Mount Seymour wrote:

On NWA

The cause of our misunderstandings seem to have sprung from two places-- on NWA's government's side, a lack of willingness to answer our questions in a way that cleared them up; and on our side, a lot of jumping to conclusions about who's to blame and exaggerating the involvement of most of the NWA. Which is a shame, because the issue that matters here (the lack of consequences or apology, and indeed continued harboring, of a player who outed a minor both in sexual orientation and mental health, by the NWA) becomes delegitimized if there are other, exaggerated claims being thrown around. No, I don't believe the NWA is an "anti-LGBT" region; yes, I do believe their government has shirked its responsibility, perpetuates an extremely problematic community, and has very little concern for serious OOC issues. No, I don't think the NWA should've been aware of our deliberations if we hadn't told them anything about it; yes, I do think their PM did not conduct good diplomacy in simply referring Turbeaux to the player responsible and shrugging the matter off. NWA don't have to be demons to be problematic embassies worth withdrawing for a very specific reason, and they don't have to demons to be just not quite the ideal Forest embassy for multiple reasons (I can't say I ever saw them as so compatible, even regardless of this incident - no offense to NWA meant, just that we're not such similar regions).

As the person who initially brought the matter to the attention of Forest's government (without necessarily the intention to bring up embassy closure), I can assure you that we're not making up things, Bergonnia. We were trying to keep the details from spreading all over the utter publicity of the RMB for the sake of the privacy of those involved.

As Forestians, we have to start reminding ourselves to watch for our own arrogance. There's a fair amount of self-praise that goes on sometimes here-- and I think most of the time it's deserved, we're a really special community! But we can't let the idea that we're better than everyone else make us act haughtily when dealing with other regions. If a region doesn't attend to our every wish and desire, we can withdraw embassies if we think they're not living up to our embassy expectations--because those are the standards we've set, no matter how reasonable--but we can't act like there's something morally wrong with their attitude. Just because we're Forest also doesn't absolve us of responsibility to act towards our embassies Golden Rule-style.

It would seem that cooler heads failed to prevail in this instance. I've no regrets though, I simply acted to rectify a, at the time perceived, lack of notice to the NWE. Evidently, my notice was misinterpreted, however, I did try to clarify but my clarifications fell on deaf ears, alas my efforts were all but for nought. It is unfortunate that the NWE has decided to perpetuate a lie that suggests we labelled them as anti LGBTQ when there's already been information posted publicly available to prove the contrary. Furthermore it's also unfortunate that some elements (including officials, former or not) in the NWE resort to irresponsibly and irrationally throw insults, making it personal and thus helping none.

Ransium wrote:

On another note, that was a bit of a scary journey but I really hope I’ve made WA endangered species protections for it! I don’t have anymore grand environmental WA GA proposal idea, but I’m happy to help others if they do.

Also I’m up to 10 passed resolutions (5 in each assembly) I’m proud to finally be earning my pastes years as Forest delegate.

Congratulations indeed. Following on from a pretty robust climate change protocol as well as your original resolution on trade in endangered species, all passed by an astonishing margin considering how controversial the subject matter sometimes is, it's a real testament to the profile you've built up in the game. It's also a significant landmark for Forest, and something we shouldn't lose sight of in the midst of bickering about an embassy nobody bothered to use anyway.

Raccoon Creek wrote:

Yes we did. The dispatch isn’t currently on NS. I still have the coding to the dispatch, though I don’t believe I have the SVG file anymore. This might be something I should look into reviving. What does everyone think?

Why not? I think people quite enjoyed it last time, and there's been enough turnover of people that it would be worth doing it with new data if you're willing. I take Autonomous cleaner bot cleaners' point about the limitations of these surveys - in particular the political compass is very much designed with contemporary US issues in mind - but it's harmless enough.

Also, it's great to see the Greenness Index and EGNIF revitalised and back in action. I always thought they were one of Forest's coolest features.

Sapnu puas wrote:

Again, I'm sorry to everyone that read my message.

It's not always an easy thing to apologise when you realise you've been out of line, so credit to you for that at least. I hope you take this chance to reflect on why your comments bothered people so much, and that unbeknownst to you you've been interacting with gay people all this time and that actually they're... well, people.

I'm back! Anything new?

Mount Seymour wrote:

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On NWA:

The cause of our misunderstandings seem to have sprung from two places-- on NWA's government's side, a lack of willingness to answer our questions in a way that cleared them up; and on our side, a lot of jumping to conclusions about who's to blame and exaggerating the involvement of most of the NWA. Which is a shame, because the issue that matters here (the lack of consequences or apology, and indeed continued harboring, of a player who outed a minor both in sexual orientation and mental health, by the NWA) becomes delegitimized if there are other, exaggerated claims being thrown around. No, I don't believe the NWA is an "anti-LGBT" region; yes, I do believe their government has shirked its responsibility, perpetuates an extremely problematic community, and has very little concern for serious OOC issues. No, I don't think the NWA should've been aware of our deliberations if we hadn't told them anything about it; yes, I do think their PM did not conduct good diplomacy in simply referring Turbeaux to the player responsible and shrugging the matter off. NWA don't have to be demons to be problematic embassies worth withdrawing for a very specific reason, and they don't have to demons to be just not quite the ideal Forest embassy for multiple reasons (I can't say I ever saw them as so compatible, even regardless of this incident - no offense to NWA meant, just that we're not such similar regions).

As the person who initially brought the matter to the attention of Forest's government (without necessarily the intention to bring up embassy closure), I can assure you that we're not making up things, Bergonnia. We were trying to keep the details from spreading all over the utter publicity of the RMB for the sake of the privacy of those involved.

As Forestians, we have to start reminding ourselves to watch for our own arrogance. There's a fair amount of self-praise that goes on sometimes here-- and I think most of the time it's deserved, we're a really special community! But we can't let the idea that we're better than everyone else make us act haughtily when dealing with other regions. If a region doesn't attend to our every wish and desire, we can withdraw embassies if we think they're not living up to our embassy expectations--because those are the standards we've set, no matter how reasonable--but we can't act like there's something morally wrong with their attitude. Just because we're Forest also doesn't absolve us of responsibility to act towards our embassies Golden Rule-style.

That was a very thoughtful and encouraging statement

Bergonnia wrote:

You didn’t label us as that? Tell that to these two

Might I suggest putting this all to rest and stop the fruitless arguments. The embassies are closing and that’s the end of it.

Bergonnia you've been the dominant voice on our board for nearly 24 hours now and you've had plenty of opportunity to have your say. We'd like to move on now please.

Uan aa Boa wrote:

Bergonnia you've been the dominant voice on our board for nearly 24 hours now and you've had plenty of opportunity to have your say. We'd like to move on now please.

Raccoon Creek wrote:

Yes. I know and we all know your position on this situation; you’ve made it clear to the region multiple times thus far and we all seem to have reached a consensus that mistakes were made and there was miscommunication. Though there isn’t anything that can be done about it now. As such your posts are becoming redundant and repetitive. It may just be me, but I’d like to move on to another topic of discussion.

So be it. Y’all want to be in denial about how horrendously you all handled things then I won’t waste anymore time. I just really hope y’all treat the next region fairly, something that was not given to us. Goodbye

Ransium wrote:

On another note, that was a bit of a scary journey but I really hope I’ve made WA endangered species protections for it! I don’t have anymore grand environmental WA GA proposal idea, but I’m happy to help others if they do.

Also I’m up to 10 passed resolutions (5 in each assembly) I’m proud to finally be earning my pastes years as Forest delegate.

I am sure there is a resolution on preventing invasive species, isn't there? How about something like one preventing agricultural runoff? Clear-cutting of forests? Or maybe preventing water-intensive crop growth in desert areas, like what is happening with alfalfa in Blythe?

These are just some ideas I'm throwing out there, I am not familiar with the wide variety of resolutions passed.

-WCD

Oof yeah, looks like I missed some stuff.

To change the discussion can anyone come up with an explanation for why 2.6% of my population is dying from tardigrade attacks. I want to know what that would look like.