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Jutsa wrote:

~ Embassy Request Announcement ~

Hello everyone! We have received an embassy request from Empire of Great Britain!

EoGB has a long history of bad behavior and problematic people. I have lodged my vote against opening the embassy.

To bridge the gap from discord to here, A&K inquired August (who's in our discord, btw) about it, and they responded that they had issues with region members and BoM in the past which were resolved internally, and would be happy to explain more in private discourse if anyone's curious.

At first blush sounds to me not a whole ton different than... well, most regions frankly. But if you have any more concise examples of problematic behavior, feel free to share; although I don't think it'll make much of a dent in the vote anyway.

Einswenn wrote:

It would be much better if context threads were on this board and not on discord. It’s the onsite matter and not everyone is on the server (although I myself am there but that stresses my point even more). Plus, it’s also the onsite poll. This whole situation irritates me a bit but I’ll deal with that, I guess.

Very much agreed on that point, I believe the reason for this in particular was that the requesting region's MoFA wanted to communicate over discord so as to avoid making a puppet in Forest, and then discussion grew organically from that. In almost every case I would far prefer that the incoming request's "explaining person", if they really feel that the initial request is lacking enough to make such a thing necessary, would make a puppet in Forest and participate in the discussion that way, as we usually see. Obviously I would have also preferred that discussion to be "forcefully" broken up as it started and moved here by a relevant government person online on the discord at the time too, but it happens sometimes - I'm relatively confident this specific discussion and arising issues are an isolated incident, and if such RMB-suitable discussions are moved away from the RMB regularly during these processes I'll look at forcing them back on here by whatever means achieve that.

Einswenn wrote:

It would be much better if context threads were on this board and not on discord. It’s the onsite matter and not everyone is on the server (although I myself am there but that stresses my point even more). Plus, it’s also the onsite poll. This whole situation irritates me a bit but I’ll deal with that, I guess.

I do genuinely hope this is something they can actually do. I think it was even brought up in podcast that when (hopefully) we have the option to have multiple RMBs, we could move everything from abstract government discussions to official polls and such onto to an on-site RMB that doesn't interfere with Forest itself. Which would be so nice and handy. It wouldn't mean the death of the discord, but it'd mean that folks who really don't care for it (which is a fair few) would have even less reason to go on there. We could theoretically even do the same for regular chatting, but that'd be a very hefty discussion for if the time came.

I think I did throw out the idea at some point (very much in passing) that in the meantime we could technically construct embassies with an official "government" region, so anyone who wants to see official discussions would be able to just hop into that embassy and contribute to the RMB that way. Heck, we could even hypothetically move all embassy-related discussions there so they would no longer dominate our normal RMB - possibly even all important discussions. We could then just have a single post (along with telegrams/discord pings as we currently do) linking everyone there / letting folks know it the discussion exists. Wouldn't even be unconstitutional since it'd still be happening in "the RMB", though if ever we were to seriously consider that route it might be worth working into the constitution. Hmm... might run on a campaign for that some time if the threads idea dies out and anyone actually thought it a feasible workaround. :p

(And before you call me delusional, I'm aware for a largely OOC region it would feel silly having a whole other region just for "official" stuff - again, just throwing it out there that it would move most discussion of GP-related items many don't care too much about into a makeshift sub-RMB that would in theory work much the same way as a RMB thread except it would just happen to look exactly like a second region.)

edit: WITH ALL THAT being said, you're just not going to prevent some individuals from primarily using discord, even if nothing official goes on there. It's one account you can connect to any region with and is great for quick chatting with "people" rather than "nations". (Hence why there's always some kind of split in community and why discord tends to host more cosmopolitans / governments in general.) I say this fully aware of the skepticism or general distaste of discord as a platform/company, ftr.

Einswenn wrote:

Commenting on the part in bold: if these individuals happen to be someone who want to open a new embassy with us (in this case or any other) they better don’t waste our time then.

Oh no!!! I thought about the possible confusion quite randomly minutes too late xDddDdDh No I actually agree with your points! That edit/addendum was intended to be an afterthought to moving discord stuff onto the RMB (/ a hypothetical second rmb ;p), not the embassy thing... which uh, in hindsight, given the original context for the message is a pretty logical contextual reference for said addendum, I probably should have been even more specific s^s

No yeah I do concur that having at least some puppet to move into the RMB would be wise for the interested party to do for increasing embassy success odds (even though in this case I don't think it'd have made much difference). That said, that would of course then also be something wafted about on this RMB, for which a second RMB would also ideally remedy. So yeah, a counterargument was genuinely not my intention this time xD sorry about the confusion '^^

Einswenn wrote:

I’m glad to face no backlash from you, Garb and A&K for what I posted earlier as I don’t intend to be a pain in the arse, I just don’t like embassy requests like this one. Personally.

Setting aside the fact you SHOULD freely speak your mind !!! your sentiments are hardly yours alone (See: current vote), something I learned during yodcast has indeed always been the case! (I learned a lot about Article 6 thanks to Verdant, in fact... how both remarkable how some things never change, and ironic!)

Heck we had a discussion after I pinged everyone on discord (with the Forestian role, mind you) about it, about whether to add event-specific manual opt-in roles (embassies, amendments, voting, etc.), what the "foreign tree" role exactly means and who gets it (I get the vibe it's somewhat winged) and whether to have a separate visitor/unsure role (something I did intentionally counterargue against even if I don't actually care about much at all ;) ) because, turns out, some Forestians who mainly spend time there also aren't thrilled about embassy requests xD

Somewhat related, I'm actually quite surprised how (relatively) little the divide between the discord and RMB communities are. Some of us spend more time there (mostly ambassadors and cosmopolitans, partly since they, sometimes ironically, are trying to avoid interrupting the flow of the RMB, though also partly for reasons I mentioned in the post you responded to xD), but compared to other region's it's a surprisingly small divide. Probably helps that we do government things here (even if it dominates the RMB, which is where 2 RMBs would really be useful and man I'm really shoehorning this aren't I), and that ought always be the case. Also doesn't hurt that most Forestians on discord don't care much for the platform/company for a number of good reasons as well. :')

Also sorry I meant to send this 45 minutes ago and god between family talking, my head being buzzkilled [edit: clarification: UNRELATED to NS, just been like that all day '^^] and having trouble reading/writing/gathering thoughts together (it's usual but I don't always feel it), and thinking of 10 other probably unnecessary things to add but then thinking maybe I don't need to add them and then taking 15 minutes to decide on whether to include it... uh. My point is, sorry for the delay in the potentially unscessful attempt at a clarification as well, friend. s^s