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Cedoria wrote:I never said it would do any good, I merely said that adopting that position in public discourse would shift a lot of minds away from viewing others in racial categories (which is the cause of the problem to begin with).

Cedoria wrote:That doesn't mean we can't campaign against police officers shooting African-Americans without cause at the same time, but we HAVE to fight back against this nasty, brutish and stupid idea of skin colour determining anything other then your vulnerability to sunburn, it's a deranged and discredited concept and we should be rguing as such.

Scientifically, you're not wrong. In reality, though, skin color determines a lot about how someone will be treated by the capitalist state. It's important to make that clear, because Black comrades are going to write us off if they hear socialists shouting about how "race isn't real", etc. because that sounds like white people denying that their oppression exists.

Cedoria wrote:I did NOT say that this means ignoring that our enemies see it this way, it means we need to start making a concerted effort to show that they are wrong. Don't misunderstand my case.

I agree that there needs to be education about the scientific reality of race, but it needs to be combined with education about the social reality of race and comrades working arm-in-arm to smash racism and capitalism together. Too many times I've seen "brocialists" say that racism is distracting socialists from fighting capitalism, which does nothing but further divide our movement and prevent us from reaching out to oppressed people as comrades.

Libertasnia, Hufrankusa, Norden-scotia, and Faithful columbia

Caelapes wrote:-snip-

OMG ITS THE WA SECRETARY-GENERAL!

*faints from starstruckedness*

Cedoria wrote:It's good to see new members of the region choosing to get involved so quickly...

Oh yes, ever so quickly... Wasn't asking for weeks on end for a Minor Emissary or anything...

Llorens wrote:OMG ITS THE WA SECRETARY-GENERAL!

*faints from starstruckedness*

Oh yes, ever so quickly... Wasn't asking for weeks on end for a Minor Emissary or anything...

WAIT THAT'S THE SECRETARY-GENERAL?

Hufrankusa

Libertasnia wrote:WAIT THAT'S THE SECRETARY-GENERAL?

I KNOW RIGHT

Hufrankusa

Llorens wrote:I KNOW RIGHT

I'm lost

Hufrankusa wrote:I'm lost

Caelapes is the Secretary-General of the World Assembly, and they were elected early last year (before Llorens even existed) on a FULLCOMMUNISM platform. I actually have no clue what they do, but they are basically one of the biggest names in the NSLeft community, if not all of NS. So they are the NationStates equivalent to a celebrity (hence the starstruckedness).

Hufrankusa

Llorens wrote:Caelapes is the Secretary-General of the World Assembly, and they were elected early last year (before Llorens even existed) on a FULLCOMMUNISM platform. I actually have no clue what they do, but they are basically one of the biggest names in the NSLeft community, if not all of NS. So they are the NationStates equivalent to a celebrity (hence the starstruckedness).

Wow that's pretty cool

Llorens wrote:I KNOW RIGHT

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A SECRETARY GENERAL

Libertasnia wrote:I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A SECRETARY GENERAL

There is, and I feel honoured by his willingness to debate in our region.

Caelapes wrote:Scientifically, you're not wrong. In reality, though, skin color determines a lot about how someone will be treated by the capitalist state. It's important to make that clear, because Black comrades are going to write us off if they hear socialists shouting about how "race isn't real", etc. because that sounds like white people denying that their oppression exists.

I agree that there needs to be education about the scientific reality of race, but it needs to be combined with education about the social reality of race and comrades working arm-in-arm to smash racism and capitalism together. Too many times I've seen "brocialists" say that racism is distracting socialists from fighting capitalism, which does nothing but further divide our movement and prevent us from reaching out to oppressed people as comrades.

You are correct, it's important there is a balance, I never was trying to say that we shouldn't protect our comrades who suffer from oppression on the basis of skin colour, merely saying that part of the reason such oppression develops is because people think 'race' has a scientific basis. Educating people on the fact that it is not is a key part of destroying racism as well.

Faithful columbia

Hello :)! I just arrived, and I wanted to say hi.

British accia, Cedoria, Llorens, Libertasnia, and 1 otherHufrankusa

Faithful columbia wrote:Hello :)! I just arrived, and I wanted to say hi.

Welcome new comrade!

Faithful columbia

Faithful columbia wrote:Hello :)! I just arrived, and I wanted to say hi.

Howdy comrade!

Faithful columbia

Faithful columbia wrote:Hello :)! I just arrived, and I wanted to say hi.

We welcome you comrade! We have plenty of activities to be involved in, so if you're interested, please do get involved;) we hope you have an enjoyable time here.

Hufrankusa and Faithful columbia

Faithful columbia

Cedoria wrote:We welcome you comrade! We have plenty of activities to be involved in, so if you're interested, please do get involved;) we hope you have an enjoyable time here.

Libertasnia wrote:Howdy comrade!

Hufrankusa wrote:Welcome new comrade!

Thank you, comrades, for the warm welcome :). I will certainly enjoy my stay.

Morogravia, Libertasnia, and Hufrankusa

Llorens wrote:OMG ITS THE WA SECRETARY-GENERAL!
*faints from starstruckedness*
Oh yes, ever so quickly... Wasn't asking for weeks on end for a Minor Emissary or anything...

I believe Cedoria is talking about the fact that Cuparia only just joined the region recently

Franckley wrote:I believe Cedoria is talking about the fact that Cuparia only just joined the region recently

That was the point... Yes...

Would comrades Daemynos and New lonopolian empire please post their national Info on the RP thread? Once we have yours, we can get started on the In Character roleplay itself....

New lonopolian empire and Llorens

Good to see this worthy referendum proposal doing so well so far! I am confident that with it's passage, the organisation of future extracurricular activities will be smoother and faster, enabling us to enjoy ourselves more thoroughly.

New lonopolian empire, United soviet communist republics, and Llorens

Franckley wrote:I believe Cedoria is talking about the fact that Cuparia only just joined the region recently

I was hinting at the fact that some of our more experienced players seem to be a little idle in taking new opportunities...

Llorens wrote:I was hinting at the fact that some of our more experienced players seem to be a little idle in taking new opportunities...

Yes, I would definitely like more involvement, but from all our region and its people. That's why I was encouraging our younger comrades when they do embrace those opportunities:)

Cedoria wrote:That was the point... Yes...

I'm glad to be a part of this region. I really like NationStates so far.

New lonopolian empire

Faithful columbia

Caelapes wrote:Scientifically, you're not wrong. In reality, though, skin color determines a lot about how someone will be treated by the capitalist state. It's important to make that clear, because Black comrades are going to write us off if they hear socialists shouting about how "race isn't real", etc. because that sounds like white people denying that their oppression exists.
I agree that there needs to be education about the scientific reality of race, but it needs to be combined with education about the social reality of race and comrades working arm-in-arm to smash racism and capitalism together. Too many times I've seen "brocialists" say that racism is distracting socialists from fighting capitalism, which does nothing but further divide our movement and prevent us from reaching out to oppressed people as comrades.

I voted for you with a past nation :)!

And I agree, we do need to confront the issue of racism. I believe there's a verse which speaks to this.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, you are all one in Messiah Yeshua."
- Galatians 3:28 (World Messianic Version)

Not to say that race doesn't exist, but I feel that unity in the Faith (for me at least) and ideology creates a bond that transcends race and sex. I will say preachers in America(and the world) could do a much better job addressing race.

New lonopolian empire and United states of unfreedom

The Overseer of Entertainment Act looks to easily pass at least 12-3. Considering this, Secretary Cedoria should now commence the search for a new Overseer of Entertainment on the TLA Civil War roleplay. Next up will be Auven's Elections Article Act, for which I have created a formal document for, but still require their permission to use as the proper version of the Act. The link will come as soon as Auven approves of it.

Stay updated using WFE News. The official day-to-day news source of The Leftist Assembly.

New lonopolian empire and Cuparia

New lonopolian empire

Greetings Comrades,
I would like to personally thank Celera, United states of unfreedom, Cedoria, United soviet communist republics, Daemynos, Erydite, Llorens, Franckley, Norden-scotia, Warriors of perun, and Cuparia for voting for my first amendment, the Overseer of Entertainment Act. As it appears that it will be passed by a large margin, I look forward to the many events that we will be able to enjoy as a result of this legislative breakthrough.

Celera, United states of unfreedom, United soviet communist republics, Llorens, and 3 othersSlavansko, Norden-scotia, and Cuparia

Llorens wrote:The Overseer of Entertainment Act looks to easily pass at least 12-3. Considering this, Secretary Cedoria should now commence the search for a new Overseer of Entertainment on the TLA Civil War roleplay. Next up will be Auven's Elections Article Act, for which I have created a formal document for, but still require their permission to use as the proper version of the Act. The link will come as soon as Auven approves of it.
Stay updated using WFE News. The official day-to-day news source of The Leftist Assembly.

Agreed, once comrade Auven has his proposal, he can present it in Cabinet, and then public discussion can begin.

Once this poll formally ends, I'll make the requisite changes that are made in the Overseer of Entertainment Act...

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