by Max Barry

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Region: Right to Life

Aawia wrote:I would also add that, metaphysically, we cannot see harm to the soul. Who would then be the primary source of what does and does not harm the soul? God, and he has forbade it I assume in part, because it harms the soul. Though I'll grant this is beyond a naturalist discussion and an argument solely based on authority.

The problem here is, how do you contend with conflicting metaphysical claims from other religions? Since there is, by definition, no natural way of determining which claim is right and as such they are held on faith alone, anyone should more or less be able to believe anything so long as those beliefs don't have too destructive naturalistic results, e.g. if some god demanded daily human sacrifice to save the soul.

I'd also like to point out that the Church has changed its positions on matters of doctrine several times throughout history when they are in too blatant disagreement with natural reality; Galileo springs to mind immediately.

Finally, I'd like to share a poem by one of the most known Islamic mystics (granted, it's not Christianity, but Islamic doctrinal opposition to homosexuality in most strains is the same as the Christian one, based as they are on the same story):

It happens all the time in heaven,

And some day

It will begin to happen

Again on earth —

That men and women who are married,

And men and men who are

Lovers,

And women and women

Who give each other

Light,

Often will get down on their knees

And while so tenderly

Holding their lover's hand,

With tears in their eyes,

Will sincerely speak, saying,

My dear,

How can I be more loving to you;

How can I be more kind?

--- Rumi

If Galileo could change the perception of celestial mechanics, perhaps Rumi can change the perception people have of homosexual love?

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