The Versutian Federation Board

Nervousa wrote:

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We're not trying to offend you. We know you are one of the most dedicated MoIs of the VF, but couldn't you have announced that you were leaving publicly as well? Its not your fault that the VF didn't change your position as MoI after you resigned but it could have helped us, maybe resign like Zstan when he made it public?
Well at least you didn't leave like Newport, he made no comment and left me with a VF military that had only 2 active members.

Auriga

The Gilded Lands of Alamei

Nervousa wrote:

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You make some very good points; and I agree that you were an excellent Minister of Immigration, there is no doubt in my mind about that. But you can see how the situation appears to be a bit odd and how having a new region comprised of old government members can seem suspicious. I am not ready to give up on the Versutian Federation; I still believe that there is a chance for this region to restore itself. What we need is for more active members to get involved and for the founder position to have new people assigned to it. I don't accuse Jenlom of foul play or of being neglectful, but we need more active people who have the ability to access the WFE and promote the region.

Auriga wrote:

You make some very good points; and I agree that you were an excellent Minister of Immigration, there is no doubt in my mind about that. But you can see how the situation appears to be a bit odd and how having a new region comprised of old government members can seem suspicious. I am not ready to give up on the Versutian Federation; I still believe that there is a chance for this region to restore itself. What we need is for more active members to get involved and for the founder position to have new people assigned to it. I don't accuse Jenlom of foul play or of being neglectful, but we need more active people who have the ability to access the WFE and promote the region.

I'll be sticking with the Versutian Federation and want to see it succeed, but I find some of the points you've made concerning. Suggesting that we should disallow government officials having a puppet in another region is outrageous under almost any circumstances , especially when you're talking about a new, fresh region that has familiar faces in it. In fact, I'm not entirely sure why you truly see Audax as a threat to the Versutian Federation, especially considering, again, that they have familiar faces and are a neutral region. While we certainly need all the people we can get right now, neither the citizens of the Versutian Federation nor the citizens of Audax are ours to control, and should not be discouraged from going where they please. Many of the nations now in Audax were longtime members of the Versutian Federation, and we should support them in their endeavors. What will others think of the Versutian Federation if we shun anyone who decides to leave? Would our animosity be a good incentive for them to come back? These are people you're talking about, sovereign nations. Unless they hijack the founder account and orchestrate a coup, they are not our enemies simply because they exercise free will.

Sad states

Auriga wrote:

I wouldn't suggest leaving. As it is, the Versutian Federation is a very strong contender on the world stage and is much larger than the region you are considering leaving for. Despite the fact that our government is currently suffering from a bout of inactivity, our region has a fair chance of recovering and still has a good number of active players; this other region cannot be expected to fare nearly as well, as it is operated under the same people who are responsible for the decline in government activity here. If our members continue to consider moving to this other region, all that will be achieved is the creation of two inactive, struggling regions and the satisfying of someone's fantasy of founding a new region. I will respect your decision either way, but I strongly recommend that you do not leave.

Also, I believe that our region needs to consider formulating a clear and strong position in regards to this new region. For example, we cannot allow government members to have a nation in that region, as such an act creates a conflict of interest and can even signify that said government member is preparing to jump ship. If one wishes to communicate on that region's message board, we can seek out the creation of an embassy. We must propose a bill addressing this issue to the regional forums.

This violates the constitution, those in power shall not make a law which prohibits a nation's rights. Stop trying to abuse power.

Auriga

Alamei wrote:

I'll be sticking with the Versutian Federation and want to see it succeed, but I find some of the points you've made concerning. Suggesting that we should disallow government officials having a puppet in another region is outrageous under almost any circumstances , especially when you're talking about a new, fresh region that has familiar faces in it. In fact, I'm not entirely sure why you truly see Audax as a threat to the Versutian Federation, especially considering, again, that they have familiar faces and are a neutral region. While we certainly need all the people we can get right now, neither the citizens of the Versutian Federation nor the citizens of Audax are ours to control, and should not be discouraged from going where they please. Many of the nations now in Audax were longtime members of the Versutian Federation, and we should support them in their endeavors. What will others think of the Versutian Federation if we shun anyone who decides to leave? Would our animosity be a good incentive for them to come back? These are people you're talking about, sovereign nations. Unless they hijack the founder account and orchestrate a coup, they are not our enemies simply because they exercise free will.

You bring up a good point; and my suggestion was merely that, a suggestion. Perhaps a ban on having puppets in a certain region would be a little too extreme, but I was simply concerned by the idea that we may have government members who have already established themselves in another region and have loyalties there. Then again, you are right in saying that we shouldn't make any rulings that limit the rights of our members, and that takes priority. I was just a little shocked by how we were having government officials who were up and leaving without even the slightest goodbye. But you are right, we cannot limit the rights of our members.

I still believe that we need to discuss our position in regards to this new region, it is an important question that cannot be ignored. I am not saying we must talk about travel bans, but we should discuss how we are going to communicate with them, given the delicate nature of our position.

Auriga

Sad states wrote:

This violates the constitution, those in power shall not make a law which prohibits a nation's rights. Stop trying to abuse power.

In response to this, I was not enacting any laws -- I do not even possess such power. I was suggesting something that should be discussed, not forcing it upon people. I have a right to make such suggestions, so long as I do not harm anyone in the process of making said suggestion. Either way, I wasn't saying that we do exactly that, but rather talking about what general topic we should be discussing.

Nervousa

Ued wrote:

We're not trying to offend you. We know you are one of the most dedicated MoIs of the VF, but couldn't you have announced that you were leaving publicly as well? Its not your fault that the VF didn't change your position as MoI after you resigned but it could have helped us, maybe resign like Zstan when he made it public?
Well at least you didn't leave like Newport, he made no comment and left me with a VF military that had only 2 active members.

Sometimes leaving in silence sends a louder message than that of a resignation. While you all act as if I went I AWOL. I chose to keep a puppet here.

Ventoria regnum

Went on holiday again. Things get iffy...this is getting weird

Ued

The People's Nation of Aziimov

Breaking News!

Warzone Australia falls to the VF military!

In other news, the UED is frustrated that more than half of its military members are either too lazy or missing in its operations
:(

I've posted a Military Export Catalog for those interested.

Jenlom

The Revolutionary Vanguard of Cosmosplosion

To be clear, I, like other government members, maintain puppets in a number of regions. One of these regions is Audax. I have no immediate intention to move there or anywhere else.

I should have announced that Auriga has been elected Minister of Foreign Affairs by default - Sad-states left the region prior to the start of the election and I didn't notice. I've updated the WFE to that effect.

As many of you know, my main nation Cosmic explosion is the WA delegate for Minecraftia. The region voted unanimously to give me executive powers effective yesterday. But, according to the founder, Soviet canuckistan , votes don't mean $h!t. I went ahead and closed quite a few of our embassies, on the basis of them being communist/socialist/fascist or raider regions. The founder proceeded to reverse those closures, citing his belief that all regions have certain beliefs and Minecraftia is a neutral region. While I agree with him, certain radical beliefs threaten our region. I was simply attempting to realign the region to a more moderate, considerate and politically moderate stance. Instead, I get punished for trying to rid our region of this raider scum.

And, I would like to note, one of the embassies I attempted to close, The Alliance of Dictators, he decided to keep open. That was the one that makes zero sense. We want democracy, we can't associate with people like that.

Nervousa

Jenlom wrote:

To be clear, I, like other government members, maintain puppets in a number of regions. One of these regions is Audax. I have no immediate intention to move there or anywhere else.

I should have announced that Auriga has been elected Minister of Foreign Affairs by default - Sad-states left the region prior to the start of the election and I didn't notice. I've updated the WFE to that effect.

I suggest you take a second look Sad-states is still in the region Sad states

Jenlom

Nervousa wrote:

I suggest you take a second look Sad-states is still in the region Sad states

Ah. Oh the difference is in the hyphen. Apologies.

In that case, please congratulate Sad-states!

Jenlom

* Sad states. I'm getting too old for this.

Sad states

Jenlom wrote:

* Sad states. I'm getting too old for this.

Poor old Jenlom v.v

Sad states

As I am now the new MoFA of the region, I wish to get our embassies back up and running.

My first task will be assigning new, active ambassadors to regions we are allied to that do not have any ambassador at this moment such as a former ambassador who CTE/Left his position/or became Inactive.

Secondly, I would like to send notices to MoFA/Delegates who contain that sort of position to regions informing them that their embassy in our region is inactive and we wish for them to send an active ambassador.

Finally, I will be sending out telegrams to the region campaigning for people to join as an ambassador for the region.

Ued

The People's Nation of Aziimov

The UED, feeling greatly saddened by nobody wanting to join the VF military, will lobby for mandatory conscription in the VF.

XD

I'll join lel

Ued

Aziimov wrote:

I'll join lel

K!
:D

Esgonia

VF Military?

Ventoria regnum

Ued wrote:

The UED, feeling greatly saddened by nobody wanting to join the VF military, will lobby for mandatory conscription in the VF.

XD

I'll join too UED

Ued

Esgonia wrote:

VF Military?

Its our region's military. See FAQ of NS Warfare
:D
Wanna join it?

Ventoria regnum wrote:

I'll join too UED

Thanks mate!

Ued