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Rossstan wrote:

We could talk about that, or we could also talk about the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

Always a good debate topic especially with things as hostile as they are right now. Also I'm not sure how much international media attention it has gotten, but we could discuss the escalating crisis at the US-Mexico border.

Skoalstraightius wrote:

This Cup Final is killing me.

I think it's killing everybody.

Le cruise wrote:

Well I think the border crisis is too much of a one sided debate and it has gotten a lot of publicity... im all for supporting the Israel one

I'm not sure if I agree that the border crisis is one sided, but I do think that the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is the best topic. It always makes for a passionate debate.

Also, this border crisis thing hasn't received any coverage in the UK media, or at least any that I've seen, would someone be able to explain it?

Rossstan wrote:

I had made clear to my friends that I thought Germany was going to win it beforehand, but then when the match went on it was clear that both teams had a pretty good chance, I'm just happy I won that bet in the end :P

I was pulling for Argentina, but Germany is definitely a worthy champion.

i don't think we should have a speaking order because if we do this will take forever to say even the opening generalizations...

I agree that we shouldn't have a speaking order, but I think that the person who proposed the topic should be the one to make the opening statement.

Apparently so. It's been long enough. Anyone can start.

Le cruise wrote:

I blame israel for what is currently happening for not be grown up and dealing with it the right way

You mean just letting Gaza keep firing missiles at Israel?

Le cruise wrote:

i think it needs to be dealt with better than like a child

On the line of the child metaphor, I think of it as two children- Hamas' Gaza and Israel. Gaza is an annoying child that continuously is poking Israel, trying to piss him off. Israel keeps warning him to stop, and says to Gaza that "if you poke me one more time, you'll be sorry." So, after a few moments of attempted peace, Gaza pokes Israel one more time. Sighing, Israel turns around, and punches Gaza dead in the face. Gaza falls to the ground dizzy, and after a few minutes to recover, gets up and begins poking Israel again.
Gaza started this conflict, and was attacking Israel. Now, Israel is retaliating. I support negotiations between the two sides, but not when either side is being attacked. If it was Israel attacking Gaza first, Gaza should attack in return.

I say that both Israel and Palestine are at fault. Instead of trying to work towards peace, there always trying to kill each other.

Skoalstraightius wrote:

HG should offer up terms for peace immediately in my mind.

Hamas should offer terms for peace, but they never will because peace isn't their goal. They are committed to using terrorism and violence in order in order to destroy Israel.