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Seems like the issue would concern Porto Maurizio's ministry heavily as well.
I don't believe Occitania ever fell under the EU agreements. If so, we'd already be using their response to the refugees. But if we've decided to play by their rules, and our laws and such are supposed to follow our mother countries, then Haldasia would be opted out of the Schengen Agreement, as Ireland is.
I do believe we have a fairly good plan for refugee handling. I believe the final version should be as such: 1 in 20 cars thoroughly checked at the border, based off of passport, temporary housing set up, establish help for finding jobs and permanent residence. Each nation tajes a percentage based off of their population percentage of Occitania. How each nation sets up these temporary housings is up to them but should follow a minimum health and livability standard.
Is there anything that should be modified, added, removed?
We should ask the founding members, Catalpha, Aix-En-Provence, Porto Maurizio, and Hochsauerland this question. Bade-Wurttenburg, Alte-Koniggratz have long abdoned the region. Is Schwabenreich a founder?
Schwabenreich is a founding member of the Imperial Matrix, but not of the region.
I didn't realize that so few of us, founders, were left.
Occitania, was always a semi-autonomous region and political and economic union under the European Union. We follow the EU practices unless we change them by a vote in the Imperial Matrix.
That makes sense. Occitania must have laws and regulations to start from. We can always make changes.
We still don't have Haldasia, Albensburg and Hochsauerland agreeing on and submitting anything.
I am on board with the plan Haldasia outlined a few days ago (shown below). If Hochsauerland is okay with it too, we can submit to the Imperial Matrix for a vote.
I would also like to thank all the nations who submitted ideas for how to handle the refugee crisis.
The border lies primarily at Messini and a few Mediterranean members, Porto Maurizio, Catalpa, Girona, Aix-En-Provence, Narbonne, etc... I advocate for most of the money for border checks in those nations, especially Messini.
To Albensburg and Haldasia: If we check cars, why not check all, vehicles? The entry is Messini, and Mediterranean members, so it would limited to those areas. If the temporary housing and the time of unemployment includes a financial and medical assistance as I outlined, I am on board. If not, we have to discuss until we agree. All of Occitania must agree to one immigration/refugee policy.
Lower Galilee will contribute a $300 million OEs but will only take a very limited number of refugees for obvious reasons.
You're right about the vehicle vs. car thing, Hochsauerland. It should be 1 in 20 vehicles, not just cars. Medical and financial assistance should never be more or better than what each country offers. Therefore, I feel that it shouldn't be one fixed amount but the equivalent unemployment and healthcare that citizens receive. But I also don't believe that non citizens should indefinitely receive handouts from Occitan nations without contributing back to their country. I believe there should be a timeframe for them to either pay taxes, become citizens, or stop receiving benefits.
To Haldasia: ALL incoming vehicles, at border entry points, ALL mediterranean member nations; Messini, Porto Maurizio, Narbonne Sur Le Mer, Aix-En-Provence, Comtes Unis de Hyeres, Catalpha, and Girona. I agree with everything you said, I laid out a detailed plan 19 days ago;
I feel a more official temporary refugee status be implemented. A "Occitan Residency Card" or a "Occitan Citizenship Card" will be required of everyone who lives in Occitania and issued by any member Occitan member nation. With an official "temporary resident" status for 1 year until security clearances have been secured. With this, each person would receive 300 OE, healthcare, education (for minor children under 18), housing and in exchange must work for the municipality in which they reside. After the first year and security clearances have passed, and without criminal violations, a refugee may apply for "limited residency" status, lasting 5 years, with reduced financial aid of 150 OE per person. After 6 years, showing proof of full-time employment, and no criminal violations, a refugee may finally apply for full Occitan "citizenship" and must apply and qualify for financial and medical aid. This would be the only way for any refugee to be "legally" identified and have access to services and employment.
Under no circumstance should anyone in our region be searched or home and motor vehicle be searched, UNLESS, under urgent, unlawful, or suspicious cases, by the police, or military personnel - the OG, the Occitan Guard or the ROF, Royal Occitan Forces.
This is my recommendation.
And there was disagreement with that recommendation, mainly the long wait for citizenship. I will agree with the one year temp status, but after that I feel that the refugees should be allowed to become citizens. And there is no need for a monetary supplement if they are working.
Albensburg and Schwabenreich
I agree with Haldasia that refugees can begin the Occitan citizenship process after having temporary status for one year. However, refugees should follow the naturalization policies of the country they are residing in order to become citizens of that nation.
To promote growth, I am deleting the password to enter Occitania. If anyone objects, please put it to a vote in the Matrix.
Schwabenreich and Hochsauerland
To Haldasia: And, I clarified that, 23 days ago. Did you read it?
"To Schwabenriech: Everything is up for discussion. Not 12 years, I did write "lasting 5 years". The waiting period gives Occitan and local authorities time to process the tens of thousands of new immigrants. Member states are small, and most do not have adequate housing and enough health care workers to service the massive influx of immigrants, let alone our own native populations. Searching vehicles, maybe done at the borders, especially with Greece, Messini in our case. Once inside our borders, I don't feel continuous seaches are necessary but could be left to individual members. The United States as I believe Canada and Australia, have a sort "green card" resident alien identification, why would it be wrong for Occitania to have anything different? If not, how else could we identify our incoming, and aspiring citizens? Finally, I think you understand what I meant, minor infractions, like those, parking and speeding violations are understandable. I meant, and I know you understand this, was terrorist acts, murder, drug trafficking, prostitution, fraud, grand theft, and any violent crimes, are people we want to keep out.
To Haldasia: And I replied to and clarified my recommendation, 23 days ago. Did you read it?
"To Schwabenriech: Everything is up for discussion. Not 12 years, I did write "lasting 5 years". The waiting period gives Occitan and local authorities time to process the tens of thousands of new immigrants. Member states are small, and most do not have adequate housing and enough health care workers to service the massive influx of immigrants, let alone our own native populations. Searching vehicles, maybe done at the borders, especially with Greece, Messini in our case. Once inside our borders, I don't feel continuous seaches are necessary but could be left to individual members. The United States as I believe Canada and Australia, have a sort "green card" resident alien identification, why would it be wrong for Occitania to have anything different? If not, how else could we identify our incoming, and aspiring citizens? Finally, I think you understand what I meant, minor infractions, like those, parking and speeding violations are understandable. I meant, and I know you understand this, was terrorist acts, murder, drug trafficking, prostitution, fraud, grand theft, and any violent crimes, are people we want to keep out. NOTE - This could be 6 months, 1 year, or 3, depending on the amount of refugees in any given member nation.
To Haldasia: A social service check, or stipend as you call it, will be necessary as the large majority will not be immediately employable due ti a lack if skills and especially with the language barrier. How else will they be able to feed and clothe themselves? If not, we will have massive homelessness issues. Why invite them in and abandon them and bring down our economies? NOTE - To which I agree with you. They should receive this assistance, until they have secured a full-time that covers their living expenses.
We cannot by any means ignore the fact that ISIS will take advantage of our open door acceptance policy and sneak in a few terrorists among the good hearted and well meaning others.
To Albensburg and Haldasia: I have agreed to your recommendations, if you both agree to mine, we are good to present this to the Matrix for a vote.
I think Hochsauerland's proposal along with Haldasia's and Albensburg make a solid immigration/refugee policy.
I said my piece earlier so I've spoken little on the subject for the last 23 days. I am happy with the conclusion Albensburg and Haldasia came to. I hope Hochsauerland can find a compromise with them.
Also I approve of Catalpha's removal of the password, now there is one less barrier to this region's growth. Hopefully we won't have trouble with people exploiting it to spam our forum.
I think it is Albensburg and Haldasia compromising with Hochsauerland.
Post self-deleted by Archipelago of madeira and the azores.
I think Haldasia and Albensburg with Hochauerland have excellent ideas, and a together work well. If all three agree, then ask Albensburg, to please consolidate and present it to the Matrix for approval.
Here's what I have consolidated so far:
- 1 in 20 vehicles must be thoroughly checked at the border, based off of passport. These will occur at the border checkpoints of the following nations: Messini, Porto Maurizio, Narbonne Sur Le Mer, Aix-En-Provence, Comtes Unis de Hyeres, Catalpha, and Girona.
- Each nation takes a percentage based off of their population percentage of Occitania.
- An official temporary residency status, the "Occitan Residency Card", will be assigned to incoming refugees and can be issued by any member Occitan member nation. This status will last for one year. During this time, background and security checks of the status holder will be conducted. Once the status holder passes checks and the one year is over, they can become Occitan citizens. Criminal violations, excluding minor infractions such as parking and speeding violations, will impede the Occitan citizenship process. This citizenship process is separate from the citizenship process of member nations, and refugees are expected to follow the naturalization policies of the country they are residing in.
- Each holder of the temporary residency status will receive the following: a stipend, healthcare, education (if they are under 18), and housing. No stipend will be paid if the person has found found full-time employment.
- Temporary housing must be set up for refugees. How each member nation sets up temporary housing is up to them, but they should follow a minimum health and livability standard. In addition, help must be established so refugees can find employment and a permanent residence.
To Haldasia and Hochsauerland: I need more details about the stipend, mainly how often it will be paid and who will be paying it, member nations or the regional government. In addition, how much will be paid at a time? I know 300 OE was suggested but there was no time frame. Also, is everyone on board with refugees becoming Occitan citizens after one year of temporary residency status? Please let me know if anything else doesn't match the recommendations and compromises so far.
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To Catalpha: Can you assign the appropriate authorities to nations holding the corresponding ministry positions? The authorities are described in the region's admin page, for which there should be a link at the top of the region's home page.
I am not 100% certain which minister should have which authority, but I can make the following recommendations:
"Embassies" authority --> Porto Maurizio
"Border Control" authority --> Haldasia, Hochsauerland, and Schwabenreich
"Appearance" authority --> Madeira and The Azores, Albensburg
"Executive" authority --> Aix-En-Provence
If anyone else has any other recommendations, feel free to contribute. I've listed the ministry positions and their holders below for reference.
1. Imperial Minister = Aix-En-Provence
2. Defense Minister = Haldasia
3. Crisis & Conflict Minister = Hochsauerland
4. Foreign Affairs Minister = Porto Maurizio
5. Finance Minister = Catalpha
6. Health & Welfare Minister = Moscow and The City of Saint Petersburg
7. Education Minister = Madeira and The Azores
8. Transportation Minister = Schwabenreich
9. Cultural Minister = Albensburg
10. Justice Minister = The Royal Germanic Confederation
11. Associate Justice Minister = Saint Pierre Et Miquelon
12. Associate Justice Minister = Comtes Unis de Hyeres
13. Associate Justice Minister = Saarland and The East Frisian Islands
14. Associate Justice Minister = Deux-Sevres
15. Associate Justice Minister = Narbonne Sur Le Mer
"This citizenship process is separate from the citizenship process of member nations, and refugees are expected to follow the naturalization policies of the country they are residing in" and "How each member nation sets up temporary housing is up to them" = should be the same in every nation of our union or else nations who offer more benefits would have larger immigrant/refugee population and an unfair burden than those who offer less.
The 300 OE stipend should be immediate, once the file for the ORC, Occitan Residency Card and cleared of any criminal acts and should be deposited bi-weekly onto a government issued Visa credit card.
Bi weekly as in twice a week or every other week? If there is a stipend, it should be scaled for the cost of living in each country, not a flat rate for the entire region. I believe that the year long temporary residency should preclude each nation's normal citizenship process. And refugees are accepted based on population. Too many in one country and the excess won't receive any assistance. Overall, the plan appears solid, and I feel that we'll all be ready to put it to vote once solutions to these final few issues are found.
To Albensburg: I will agree to that! And yes, bi-weekly, twice a month, every 14 days, every other week. As well, as ALL incoming vehicles should be checked, 100%, at the above mentioned nations.
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