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Lunas Legion wrote:

Different group.

The night railroad wrote:

Way diffrent I'm talking about the solar empire

Which we claim legal succession to, as outlined here, here, here and in our bloody WFE.
So? Still a different group?

Lunas Legion wrote:

Yup.

Just because you claim succession doesn't mean your de jure successor. De facto, yes, but de jure? Nope.

Then there is no, as he called it, 'Empire-Scum' to stand against. His whole point is pointless, because there is no Solar Empire anymore. Wanna check with me? Solar Empire, The Solar Empire, Solar Empire.

As for the De Jure Question: Is the Russian Federation de jure successor of the old USSR?
As far as I know: Yes.
I claim something similar: Legal succession to a failed and doomed concept, with all the rights, justs, successes, failures, duties and burdens. It all depends on others accepting this claim and there things get hairy!

Lunas Legion wrote:

Russia is de jure successor to the USSR as it was formed with most of it's armed forces and government made up of the former USSR government. The SE, to my knowledge, went through what I can best describe as a massive upheaval including a coup against Celestia after her return from inactivity which in turn led to the destruction of the Solar Empire.

As such, I believe we are in a situation where you are de facto successor due to no other claimants and de jure by having a nation I know to be a former member of the original Solar Empire backing said claim. However, if anyone else were to claim said title, it would be up for dispute.

So the question is rather: Does the NLR or individual nations in it support this claim?

Well thanks and I'm glad to be here.

Well, our recognition is something of an afterthought, isn't it? Whether or not they are the actual de jure successor doesn't affect the fact that they exist and that they claim to be. We could deny that they are the successors to the Empire, but where would that leave everyone? It's like how America refuses to recognize Somaliand because... reasons. Now Somaliand/The Reign can't do much because no one wants to think that they exist.

So, it kinda makes sense for everyone to accept that everyone exists and has authority, since even if we don't they can still do stuff, we can do even better stuff together if we believe that the other guys are real and legitimate, and because not doing so is kinda being a bunch of jerks to a region that has a good chance of actually being semi-reasonable.

Not making an executive decisions here, just making a point.

Fralinia wrote:

Well, our recognition is something of an afterthought, isn't it? Whether or not they are the actual de jure successor doesn't affect the fact that they exist and that they claim to be. We could deny that they are the successors to the Empire, but where would that leave everyone? It's like how America refuses to recognize Somaliand because... reasons. Now Somaliand/The Reign can't do much because no one wants to think that they exist.

So, it kinda makes sense for everyone to accept that everyone exists and has authority, since even if we don't they can still do stuff, we can do even better stuff together if we believe that the other guys are real and legitimate, and because not doing so is kinda being a bunch of jerks to a region that has a good chance of actually being semi-reasonable.

Not making an executive decisions here, just making a point.

Recognition would be nice, yes, but you are right: In the end, it's just a pro-forma-thing.
I would love to work together with you people, since most of you are quite cool in my book. I can't really speak for the whole Reign, but many of us (read: The Loyal Houses and me - we are 2/3!) would like that.

But one question remains: "semi-reasonable"? ;)

The solar reign wrote:

Recognition would be nice, yes, but you are right: In the end, it's just a pro-forma-thing.
I would love to work together with you people, since most of you are quite cool in my book. I can't really speak for the whole Reign, but many of us (read: The Loyal Houses and me - we are 2/3!) would like that.

But one question remains: "semi-reasonable"? ;)

Look, as nice as you guys seem, and as willing as you are to work with us in a peaceful and diplomatic manner, at the end of the day, you're still the successor state to this regions sworn enemy. While I'm not going to outright cut you off for the crime of existing, I'm not exactly inclined to blindly trust you, ya know? No offense, but it would be folly for me to assume that there's no chance of you doing anything ridiculous.

Fralinia wrote:

Look, as nice as you guys seem, and as willing as you are to work with us in a peaceful and diplomatic manner, at the end of the day, you're still the successor state to this regions sworn enemy. While I'm not going to outright cut you off for the crime of existing, I'm not exactly inclined to blindly trust you, ya know? No offense, but it would be folly for me to assume that there's no chance of you doing anything ridiculous.

That is reasonable, since I can't exactly guarantee for anything.

Starlightia wrote:

what'd I miss?

Not much, I would say.

The night railroad wrote:

Just lots of argument that's it

It wasn't an argument, it was a debate. We were discussing ideas that we'd had, not yelling at each other to try and prove our points.

Nope.

In other news, I may or may not be rebooting the original FO:E RP.

Neo may be returning as well. Flutters is coming back also.

Not exactly set on a date for the reboot, however.