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If you can't trust the government in maintaining many services, how can you trust them with the death penalty?
Isn't removing a prisoner's freedom enough of a punishment? We shouldn't punish criminals further or subject them to involuntary labor that does nothing to resolve the full value of the crime? Instead give them a choice - life in prison, but along with good behavior - make a prison economy in which the prisoners can make money, find fulfillment, and use it to buy their freedom to the full restorative value.
Obviously I am against the death penalty for any crime. The state cannot be trusted with human life. Far too many mistakes have been made. And far too many corrupt state employees have planted evidence just to get a conviction.
Castration and forced labor are cruel and unusual punishments.
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Do we have volunteers for this?
How are we going to do this? Nomination followed by confirmation vote? Appointment?
Hey Sib
As per the new regional officers feature (page=news/2015/10/11/index.html), can I have authority over polls and embassies? I can keep things interesting...
Unless you want to do a poll over this stuff first.
:p
holy fack, same thing on my mind at the same time
I think we've done everything by polls so far. Perhaps nominations followed by confirmation vote to keep things fair.
In any case, I nominate Cosmo Kramer to be the regional officer of border controls and appearance.
I wanted to do a poll over the selection process first.
Hang on to your personal request and Kramer nomination. Once we determine how we will appoint the officers, we'll go from there.
Just when NSG couldn't get any stupider.
Heh. It went live for us between the two polls.
Now regional happenings is buggy.
So it's live.
Should we have the LF attitude to titles, or be uniform and forget about Russian royalty? I only called myself Tsarevich because LF has been Tsar for ages if you have NS++.
Regional officer titles will be visible to everyone, unlike the Founder/Delegate custom titles.
Sib, you should get back into debating on the forums. The number of libertarians is diminishing and generally stupidity reigns without anyone to oppose it.
I think the mods have rescinded a little, despite them smacking me the other day for my avatar.
I don't have the time, or patience anymore.
Regional officers raise too many questions to do a poll on every one of them. I mean, we can do a poll for all of them, but then we can expect our first "real" officer sometime in 2017.
Is this an offsite forum discussion topic?
No one has ever used The Hyatt Islands forum, so I doubt it'll be any different here.
So there is going to be a rather important upcoming by election in Scotland, one which could potentially be used to gage the support of Libertarianism in Scotland.
http://libertarianhome.co.uk/2015/10/help-needed-north-of-the-border/
Which is probably a good thing. I don't trust the LPUK, and I think that the Scots will do better in electing Libertarians to office. In addition, to my knowledge the Scot Libertarians are the only party who opposes both the EU and supports Scottish Independence, something which could help electorally secure a niche voting group. Can you monitor this election in case I forget about it?
We had users. Especially early on.
My main questions not answered by the poll would be...
Titles. Regional officer titles. Standard titles?
Removing people from office. How, why?
Terms? I'm not really looking for a democratic government here. More a delegation of powers on a reasonable basis.
When was the last post on the forum, then? If it's before September, then i'd say it's inactive.
If we would truly have a libertarian government, why would we have a delegate at all? A delegate who only needs one endorsement (theoretically) to rule over ~35 people is not a just system at all.
My position is that either every shares power, or no one has power at all. So either everyone gets power to alter the WFE and etc, or we just don't grant anyone that power, including the delegate...
Delegating people power makes sense from a pragmatic standpoint, but is it legitimate? It still would require legitimization of the delegate.
As for titles, I think leave it up to individual people to decide their title, if possible, or just don't change it. Or have a
Removing people from office should require a simple majority by poll. However, granting anyone power should be a consensus democracy. It should be harder to get power than to be laid off of it.
I personally think a delegate should have a term of 3 months, if we were to establish any precedent. Again, this should either be entirely based on consensus democracy, or it's not legitimate.
Of course, you could take the alternative view that a region is more like a private institution since it's not a necessitarian system, but even corporations have boards of directors.
It's inactive.
Again, I am not looking for a government. This is not the region for that. I am looking for someone that can ban/eject someone if need be, and I am not here. I am looking for someone to accept an embassy, and I am not here. Etc.
This is a private institution and has nothing to do with legitimacy in that sense.
I am not looking for government. Or elections. I certainly am not looking for election and campaign cycles every 3 months.
Corporations are state chartered entities and are required to have a board of directors by the state.
I'm looking for life terms, more or less. The exception being someone quits or becomes inactive, or violates some major rule and should be removed from office.
For example, the officer in control of borders bans someone, without adequate explanation. That person should be removed from office.
For whatever reason if I remove some powers from myself (granted to Sibirsky), I lose the ability to appoint officers. Very odd. I think it's a glitch.
Sib,TLT, Just wanted to let you know I will respond to your replies tomorrow, I'm heading to bed, as I don't feel 100%. I'll respond when I get up tomorrow, Just didn't want you guys to think I was ignoring them.
Oh interesting. I'll look into it and yeah I'll try to look into it!
Also these office things are really confusing.. urgh to early in the ehm.. afternoon for this.
It would be nice to think so - but socialist ideas do appear to have an even stronger grip in Scotland than they do in England.
An election for even bigger government in Canada.
And Mrs Hillary Clinton (with all her wild spending promises) doing well in the polls in the United States.
Depressing - very depressing.
Clinton isn't so much promising new spending as she is trying to fend off Bernie Sanders.
Sib, I can understand how one might think forced labor is cruel and unusual punishment, though I don't agree, but how is castration, If someone murdered someone with a gun, they have their ability to use that weapon taken away, Castration, and removal of sexual organs if a female does it, are simply removal of said weapons.
TLT, and yet, the only real freedom they lose is freedom of movement, if you ask me they shouldn't have the ability to buy their freedom, they've committed an act that causes trauma on the victim and all who surround them, and that stays for life, they don't deserve, the ability to earn their freedom.
On discussing US Presidential candidates, Ideally I'd like to see Paul V.S. Sanders in the general election.
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