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WA Delegate: The Motors of Lincoln Sydney (elected 330 days ago)

Founder: The Federated Realms of Distruzio

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Welcome! This is a region conceived for the libertarian minded - the belief that liberty is the primary virtue of humanity and that the State should be minimized to the greatest possible extent.

Anyone who believes in individual free will is welcome. Here you'll find the cure for stateholm syndrome.

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Liberty is not a means to a political end. It is itself the highest political end.
- Lord Acton

The ideal Government of all reflective men, from Aristotle onward, is one which lets the individual alone one which barely escapes being no government at all.
- H.L. Mencken

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Laissez Faireholm contains 59 nations, the 195th most in the world.

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#NationWA CategoryMotto
1.The Dynastic Republic of LeocardiaMoralistic Democracy“Be a leader, be a friend, be of service.”
2.The United Socialist States of MarlencomPsychotic Dictatorship“Munire viam ad Communismum”
3.The Oppression Loving World of Dead Oppressive WorldPsychotic Dictatorship“World of the cowardly and oppressed!”
4.The People's Republic of AlyakiaWA MemberDemocratic Socialists“A love that crushes like a mace”
5.The Green Kingdom of FerrianonaWA MemberAuthoritarian Democracy“GABEN”
6.The Republic of MourtzouphlosCompulsory Consumerist State“Senatus Populusque Romanus”
7.The Holy Empire of DistruzionopolisCorrupt Dictatorship“One God, One Empire, One Religion”
8.The Sultanate of Bunga BungaCompulsory Consumerist State“Edamus, Bibamus, Gaudeamus!”
9.The Commonwealth of North Western GAJTCorporate Bordello“We shall have an association free from class antagonism”
10.The Republic of Pict-landInoffensive Centrist Democracy“Noli me tangere!”
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The Republic of Pict-land wrote:LOL. When the mob does it it's called extortion, but when government does it it's called "paying your fair share."

LOL. When a druggie does it it's called doing heroine, but when a doctor does it it's called "vaccination."

Literally the crux of your argument relies on one institution to be identical to the other.

The Free Earth Society of The Liberated Territories wrote:Your labor however, isn't private property.

And no, it doesn't.

The fruits of your labour however, are private property, or entitlements to such.

Of course private property has to he compensated for. If you don't think so, you have a pretty weird vision of distributive justice. If a mother renounces ownership of chocolate cake and leaves it on the table for her two children-- but no specific one child, as to render it common between them-- is one child eating it ALL justifiable? I would say not: the child would have had to compensate at least a bit for this theory of distributive justice to actually be a cogent theory of distributive justice.

The Voluntary Society of Sibirsky wrote:It is. And taxes are not how it's done.

How isn't it? If the state has the responsibility to protect individuals from harm and to enforce their rights to property, how does rectification of injustices not fall into their list of responsibilities as well?

The Tchaikovskydom of Arkolon wrote:LOL. When a druggie does it it's called doing heroine, but when a doctor does it it's called "vaccination."

Literally the crux of your argument relies on one institution to be identical to the other.

Incorrect. Albeit they are similar.

I bet you think Hilary Clinton is a heroine. As is Margaret Thatcher.

The Tchaikovskydom of Arkolon wrote:The fruits of your labour however, are private property, or entitlements to such.

Of course private property has to he compensated for. If you don't think so, you have a pretty weird vision of distributive justice. If a mother renounces ownership of chocolate cake and leaves it on the table for her two children-- but no specific one child, as to render it common between them-- is one child eating it ALL justifiable? I would say not: the child would have had to compensate at least a bit for this theory of distributive justice to actually be a cogent theory of distributive justice.

Private property is compensated for, and it has nothing to do with taxes.

The Tchaikovskydom of Arkolon wrote:How isn't it? If the state has the responsibility to protect individuals from harm and to enforce their rights to property, how does rectification of injustices not fall into their list of responsibilities as well?

Hahahaha. Wait, you actually believe this nonsense? The state has the responsibility to protect individuals?

Hahahaha.

The state has no responsibility to protect anyone. Any service it may provide, including the protection of someone's private property is merely a side effect of the state working to achieve its own goals.

The Voluntary Society of Sibirsky wrote:Incorrect. Albeit they are similar.

I bet you think Hilary Clinton is a heroine. As is Margaret Thatcher.

So I typo'd at nine in the morning, big deal.

The Voluntary Society of Sibirsky wrote:Private property is compensated for, and it has nothing to do with taxes.

How is private property compensated for, if not through taxation?

The Voluntary Society of Sibirsky wrote:Hahahaha. Wait, you actually believe this nonsense? The state has the responsibility to protect individuals?

Hahahaha.

What is the state but a private defense agency with a monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force that covers free-riders as well as "paying customers"?

The Tchaikovskydom of Arkolon wrote:How is private property compensated for, if not through taxation?

The sales price. What the hell do taxes have to do with anything?

The Tchaikovskydom of Arkolon wrote:
What is the state but a private defense agency with a monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force that covers free-riders as well as "paying customers"?

It is not private, it is not a defense agency, and it is not legitimate.

While we have an obligation to pay the state, the state has no obligation to protect us.

The Voluntary Society of Sibirsky wrote:The sales price. What the hell do taxes have to do with anything?

Unowned pieces of land can't be bought because they lack an owner. They can only be appropriated. Appropriating unowned pieces of land has to be compensated, else its possession is illegitimate.

The Voluntary Society of Sibirsky wrote:It is not private, it is not a defense agency, and it is not legitimate.

It's a play on words from Nozick's justification of a state: take a private defense agency, that's legitimate, give it a monopoly, that's legitimate, and it's called the "ultraminimal state" as it meets all the criteria necessary to be a state without being what we would actually call a state. Add onto it the fact that it covers free riders in the system of justice, that's legitimate, you have the minimal state-- without contravening any single law or principle set out by libertarian ethics. My question was: if this is what the state is, how does the state not have any duty to protect us?

The Voluntary Society of Sibirsky wrote:While we have an obligation to pay the state, the state has no obligation to protect us.

No one has any obligation to anything or to do anything. So long as the state exists, however, its calls for protection are legitimate.

The Tchaikovskydom of Arkolon wrote:Unowned pieces of land can't be bought because they lack an owner. They can only be appropriated. Appropriating unowned pieces of land has to be compensated, else its possession is illegitimate.

Compensated to whom, and for what reason?

The Tchaikovskydom of Arkolon wrote:
It's a play on words from Nozick's justification of a state: take a private defense agency, that's legitimate, give it a monopoly, that's legitimate, and it's called the "ultraminimal state" as it meets all the criteria necessary to be a state without being what we would actually call a state. Add onto it the fact that it covers free riders in the system of justice, that's legitimate, you have the minimal state-- without contravening any single law or principle set out by libertarian ethics. My question was: if this is what the state is, how does the state not have any duty to protect us?

Private agencies would have a contractual obligation to provide protection. There is no such thing for the state.

We have an obligation to pay taxes. Many people have gone to prison for tax evasion. The state has no obligation to protect us. Why? Because the state makes the rules, obviously.

One of many such cases...

https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kasler-protection.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

The Tchaikovskydom of Arkolon wrote:
No one has any obligation to anything or to do anything. So long as the state exists, however, its calls for protection are legitimate.

What are you talking about? Wesley Snipes (albeit, a high profile case, and not typical) served three years in prison despite being acquitted of tax evasion, acquitted of conspiring to defraud the United States, acquitted of filing false claims.

He was found guilty of three counts of willful failure to file income tax returns.

The man's crime, is literally, not giving the government pieces of paper.

You have the audacity of talking to me about obligations? Tell Carolyn Warren, Joan Taliaferro and Miriam Douglas about the state's obligation to provide protection. They were misled, and indoctrinated just like you. They thought they had a case. They thought wrong.

The Tchaikovskydom of Arkolon wrote:The fruits of your labour however, are private property, or entitlements to such.

Of course private property has to he compensated for. If you don't think so, you have a pretty weird vision of distributive justice. If a mother renounces ownership of chocolate cake and leaves it on the table for her two children-- but no specific one child, as to render it common between them-- is one child eating it ALL justifiable? I would say not: the child would have had to compensate at least a bit for this theory of distributive justice to actually be a cogent theory of distributive justice.


False comparison, since the homesteading principle is what justifies land ownership. The children have not "homesteaded" or have done anything to deserve the cake.

Plus, you are thinking in anarchic terms - in order for this comparison to work, the mother would in still be an actor that ensures each portion the child worked for is justified (and upheld on said basis, reactively.) That being said, if justice was misdone, the courts (compromised of maybe, the other siblings in a democratic minarchist state) have always provided a means to fix it.

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