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WA Delegate: The Motors of Lincoln Sydney (elected 1 year 94 days ago)

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Welcome! This is a region conceived for the libertarian minded - the belief that liberty is the primary virtue of humanity and that the State should be minimized to the greatest possible extent.

Anyone who believes in individual free will is welcome. Here you'll find the cure for stateholm syndrome.

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Liberty is not a means to a political end. It is itself the highest political end.
- Lord Acton

The ideal Government of all reflective men, from Aristotle onward, is one which lets the individual alone one which barely escapes being no government at all.
- H.L. Mencken

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Laissez Faireholm contains 45 nations, the 254th most in the world.

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1.The Free Nation of Libertarian CanadaCapitalizt“Freedom is our strength.”
2.The Stoicity of AugarundusAnarchy“Ouroboros”
3.The Free Freedom Loving Land of Living Freedom LandCapitalizt“Freedom is life and life is freedom!”
4.The Freeholders of SeleucasAnarchy“He who cannot give cannot feel”
5.The Voluntaryist Aggregate of Faith Hope CharityAnarchy“Prior est Propietas Ego.”
6.The Federal Republic of CassariaAnarchy“It's YOUR life. Live free.”
7.The Voluntary Society of SibirskyAnarchy“Capitalismus sine modo, via ad prosperitatem”
8.The Ass-puppet of Gendronium PuppetWA MemberAnarchy“The WA-version of Gendronium”
9.The Free Land of HandsoffistanCapitalizt“Mine, mine, mine.”
10.The Confederacy of Minarchist StatesCapitalist Paradise“From each as they choose, to each as they are chosen.”
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We appreciate their thankless service, like shooting dogs by raiding homes, beating down and killing young teenagers struggling to get by, breaking into houses with swat teams and killing people after a prank call gone awry, using hoses on people like it's the freaking civil rights era. It's a no knock raid, don't be afraid, it's a paramilitary fvcking police state on parade.

Wow, I actually managed to become a benevolent dictatorship... Those are pretty damn rare.

The Armed Republic of Quayle wrote:The government would only reduce wages if it had a monopoly (unless it implemented workplace Socialism, but that's for another argument). What I'm arguing is that for every service, there should always be a government alternative so that corporations are kept in check. I also don't believe the government corporations we have in today's countries are slow and inefficient by nature, I just think governments are being too reliant on their bureaucracy to do everything for them instead of reaching out to the people to help them run their business. The issue with patents however brings up another important issue though; corporations having too much say in government. If the whole ordeal with Monsanto had been more transparent, there's no way it could have come to pass. But now that it's in, Monsanto has been paying off politicians to protect their right to keep it, but once again I suppose that is an entirely different argument.

The government reduces wages in a variety of ways. Taxes, regulations, licensing, barriers to entry, and on and on and on.

Corporations are kept in check by the market.

Government corporations are inefficient by design. They do not have the profit motive, or the risk of bankruptcy. Amtrak has been losing money for 44 years and is still in business.

So in order to reduce corporate power you want more government. Which is controlled by corporations. You don't see a problem with that?

Of course it would pass. The PATRIOT Act passes. The NDAA passes. The farm bills pass. Monsanto is nothing.

The Voluntary Society of Sibirsky wrote:The government reduces wages in a variety of ways. Taxes, regulations, licensing, barriers to entry, and on and on and on.

Corporations are kept in check by the market.

Government corporations are inefficient by design. They do not have the profit motive, or the risk of bankruptcy. Amtrak has been losing money for 44 years and is still in business.

So in order to reduce corporate power you want more government. Which is controlled by corporations. You don't see a problem with that?

Of course it would pass. The PATRIOT Act passes. The NDAA passes. The farm bills pass. Monsanto is nothing.

If a government corporation always paid higher than the cost of living, then taxes and other such things would have minimal impact on people because they'd always have enough to live comfortably. Corporations meanwhile very rarely pay above the cost of living, thus why poverty is such a prevalent problem in supposedly developed nations such as the United States. Government corporations, if the system is implemented correctly, would be controlled by the workers, who would ensure their pay stayed above the cost of living. Workers can act as just as powerful a balancing force as the market if given the power to do so through protesting unfair wages or unsafe conditions.

It is a government corporation's ability to stay alive regardless of conditions that makes them so powerful a force on the market. Even if their service of sub par, it ensures that corporations have to stay above that bar to survive. Other corporations are susceptible to falling apart due to conditions, thus not acting as as powerful a restricting factor as a government one would.

And yes, there isn't any doubt that government corruption has had a larger impact on people than any corporation has. This, however, wouldn't be a problem if government transparency were increased and democratic (the ideology, not the party) principles were expanded to allow greater individual interaction with the government. This is why I'm an advocate for direct democracy and more referendums on laws so that people can be more in control of what happens to them. This way, we wouldn't have to be so reliant on congress to protect us from bad laws.

Post by Sereny suppressed by a moderator.

I found this on the web.

Lysander Spooner's letter to Grover Cleveland. Years before the existence of libertarianism, we see the cross pollination begin to happen. Anarchist influences liberal.

http://lysanderspooner.org/LetterToGroverCleveland.htm

The Armed Republic of Quayle wrote:If a government corporation always paid higher than the cost of living, then taxes and other such things would have minimal impact on people because they'd always have enough to live comfortably. Corporations meanwhile very rarely pay above the cost of living, thus why poverty is such a prevalent problem in supposedly developed nations such as the United States. Government corporations, if the system is implemented correctly, would be controlled by the workers, who would ensure their pay stayed above the cost of living. Workers can act as just as powerful a balancing force as the market if given the power to do so through protesting unfair wages or unsafe conditions.

It is a government corporation's ability to stay alive regardless of conditions that makes them so powerful a force on the market. Even if their service of sub par, it ensures that corporations have to stay above that bar to survive. Other corporations are susceptible to falling apart due to conditions, thus not acting as as powerful a restricting factor as a government one would.

And yes, there isn't any doubt that government corruption has had a larger impact on people than any corporation has. This, however, wouldn't be a problem if government transparency were increased and democratic (the ideology, not the party) principles were expanded to allow greater individual interaction with the government. This is why I'm an advocate for direct democracy and more referendums on laws so that people can be more in control of what happens to them. This way, we wouldn't have to be so reliant on congress to protect us from bad laws.

The cost of living is irrelevant. Wages are not set based on the cost of living.

Corporations compete in the market for labor. And they pay what the labor is worth, or they are unable to hire.

Employers do not want unsafe conditions, and conditions have been improving for centuries, without any need for OSHA.

Government corporations eliminate competition, are a drain on resources, economically damaging, and inefficient.

Direct democracy is not the answer. Just like it is no business of the state what I do in the privacy of my home, it is no business of my neighbors. People have voted against gay marriage, against medicinal and recreational marijuana, and so on.

You're not grasping basic economic concepts.

The Black Riders has been raided following the demise of their leader ((script violations)). Anyone who is able should send a WA delegate to The Black Riders and endorse the current delegate The Armed Republic of UnitedGermanRegions before TBR can mount a counter-attack!

Government "alternatives" always cheat - by using tax money to subsidise their operations and regulations to cripple their competitors. People who believe in statism (i.e. force and fear) should be paid in their own coin - force.

And, as Sibersky notes, it is interesting that people who obsess over "corporations" (I suppose they mean business enterprises - not churches, unions, clubs, colleges and other "bodies corporate") controlling the government, want the government to be even bigger.

They must love these "corporations" - after all if we are to believe the B.S. that most government spending and regulations are for the benefit of "big business" and "the rich" then an even bigger government will benefit the "corporations" who "control" it.

Lincoln Sydney

As a practical example - the British Education Act of 1870 was supposed to fill in "gaps" where there were not enough voluntary free (or inexpensive) schools for the poor.

What the Act in fact led to was a de facto government monopoly on education for the poor.

In 1911 the "National Insurance" Act was supposed to fill in gaps where the "Friendly Societies" (the mutual aid fraternities) were not covering some industrial workers - instead it led to the decline and fall of the Friendly Societies.

And on and on.

Evil never sleeps - and it keeps coming with new justifications for the old demands for collectivism.

Lincoln Sydney

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