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Mrs Clinton promised more government spending (on just about everything), higher taxes on "the rich" and "corporations" (actually American taxes on "the rich" and "corporations" are already very high - but the public have brainwashed, Hollywood movie, view of things) and more regulations - giving people free stuff.

Mr Trump offered tax cuts without government spending cuts - and denounced Free Trade (his claims that trade is rigged against the United States is as bogus as Mrs Clinton's claims on taxes - and Mrs Clinton's claims on everything else).

The election is pointless.

"Please share my views" about some rant in a book attacking Charles and David Koch.

If I "shared my views" frankly about this sort of attack, I would get banned for NationStates.

So I will be polite.

Charles and David Koch are good men (not perfect men, but good men). Their work has been good - and their politics.

Sadly Charles and David Koch have normally been on the LOSING side of political conflict - government spending and regulations have increased and increased and increased in spite of their best efforts to oppose the growth of the government.

Blaming inequality on the "influence of Charles and David Koch" rather runs into this rock - the policies the "Koch Brothers" wanted are just about the opposite of the policies that have actually been followed.

As for "artificial inequality" - it has been known since the 1700s (Richard Cantillon) that Credit Expansion (the lending out of "money" that was never really saved) tends to benefit the rich and connected at the expense of everyone else. But as it is the LEFT who tend to support a policy of Credit expansion ("low interest rate" Credit Bubbles and so) they should blame THEMSELVES for extreme inequality.

Antinomian gnostic luciferians wrote:Can the esteemed nations of this region, please give me their views about the ideas propagated by the following book? And if you haven't read or heard of this book, I will also post a brief summary:
https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Money-History-Billionaires-Radical/dp/0385535597/ref=mt_hardcover?_encoding=UTF8&me=
Summary: "Why is America living in an age of profound economic inequality? Why, despite the desperate need to address climate change, have even modest environmental efforts been defeated again and again? Why have protections for employees been decimated? Why do hedge-fund billionaires pay a far lower tax rate than middle-class workers?
The conventional answer is that a popular uprising against “big government” led to the ascendancy of a broad-based conservative movement. But as Jane Mayer shows in this powerful, meticulously reported history, a network of exceedingly wealthy people with extreme libertarian views bankrolled a systematic, step-by-step plan to fundamentally alter the American political system.
The network has brought together some of the richest people on the planet. Their core beliefs—that taxes are a form of tyranny; that government oversight of business is an assault on freedom—are sincerely held. But these beliefs also advance their personal and corporate interests: Many of their companies have run afoul of federal pollution, worker safety, securities, and tax laws.
The chief figures in the network are Charles and David Koch, whose father made his fortune in part by building oil refineries in Stalin’s Russia and Hitler’s Germany. The patriarch later was a founding member of the John Birch Society, whose politics were so radical it believed Dwight Eisenhower was a communist. The brothers were schooled in a political philosophy that asserted the only role of government is to provide security and to enforce property rights.
When libertarian ideas proved decidedly unpopular with voters, the Koch brothers and their allies chose another path. If they pooled their vast resources, they could fund an interlocking array of organizations that could work in tandem to influence and ultimately control academic institutions, think tanks, the courts, statehouses, Congress, and, they hoped, the presidency. Richard Mellon Scaife, the mercurial heir to banking and oil fortunes, had the brilliant insight that most of their political activities could be written off as tax-deductible “philanthropy.”
These organizations were given innocuous names such as Americans for Prosperity. Funding sources were hidden whenever possible. This process reached its apotheosis with the allegedly populist Tea Party movement, abetted mightily by the Citizens United decision—a case conceived of by legal advocates funded by the network.
The political operatives the network employs are disciplined, smart, and at times ruthless. Mayer documents instances in which people affiliated with these groups hired private detectives to impugn whistle-blowers, journalists, and even government investigators. And their efforts have been remarkably successful. Libertarian views on taxes and regulation, once far outside the mainstream and still rejected by most Americans, are ascendant in the majority of state governments, the Supreme Court, and Congress. Meaningful environmental, labor, finance, and tax reforms have been stymied.
Jane Mayer spent five years conducting hundreds of interviews-including with several sources within the network-and scoured public records, private papers, and court proceedings in reporting this book. In a taut and utterly convincing narrative, she traces the byzantine trail of the billions of dollars spent by the network and provides vivid portraits of the colorful figures behind the new American oligarchy.
Dark Money is a book that must be read by anyone who cares about the future of American democracy."
Please share your views about the above.

I haven't heard of that book before, but it sounds at least like an interesting read, true or not.

Your views above do seemed very biased though, and i feel you are just posting this to be at least a semi-troll, considering that the words 'capitalist', 'libertarian' and 'freedom' are all in this regions name.

Phrontisteries and Xyanth

Antinomian gnostic luciferians

Hello!

No, I don't have the slightest interest in being a troll or semi-troll. I am a political science student and a political junkie. I love reading non-fiction books and various books promoting different ideologies. I have a nation in the Fascist State and even ordered the second book of Codex Fascismo by H.R. Morgan:

https://www.amazon.com/Fascism-Integralism-Corporative-Society-Fascismo/dp/1493123335

I am an avid book reader and love exploring new ideologies and schools of thought. The above book was poorly funded [the book's physical quality is good] so has a LOT of grammatical errors due to bad editing. Since, then my personal beliefs have moved away from Authoritarianism.

So, now I am exploring Objectivism and Libertarianism. I recently found the following spiritual movement:

http://congregational-illuminism.tumblr.com/ [from which my nation's name is inspired]

The antinomian or anti-authoritarian type of thinking is having its influence on me.

I also started seeing the youtube channel Anarchyball, although, from Wikipedia I learnt that Ayn Rand initially was repulsed by the Liberatarians since they were using her objectivist ideas to promote contrary views centered on anarchism and various streams like Libertarian socialism so she was disliking that.

I also came to know about the Cato Institute and Ayn Rand Institute. In the past, I have been in touch with Anarcho-Communists who were critical of capitalism, but at the same time not as statist or big government as Communism.

I haven't decided which shape my personal thinking will take in regards to a single political stream or ideology.

I just feel that I am a powerless individual who just needs to mind his own business and not try to be some kind of "social reformer". I take the realist and somewhat negative view that I am and will always be unable to influence the movers and shakers behind world events, since what I say or do can't ever convince the elites running the show, let alone come to their attention.

In USA politics, I support Donald Trump. Also, been immersing myself in the Altright and watching youtube videos of Ramzpaul and others.

I just want to be part of a global movement which will require my engagement and it will also involve issues that I am passionate about and want to bring some changes and reforms in.

I take an anti-elitist approach [unless elitism is based on scientific literacy and meritocracy and not just money and who consumes more]. I think that as an individual, I am incapable of bringing about political change and all this arguing and debating on the internet about my and others' political opinions will get me nowhere, as realistically speaking I can't bring change to society or influence some policies or bring about any real change.

From a Canadian perspective, there was Bill C-15 or the Anti-Terrorism 2015 Bill which critics say that brings the government in power and security agencies in conflict with environmental and aboriginal groups and infringes upon personal liberties. I have read online that many intellectuals, professors, experts, social reformers, activists have lobbied against the Bill by petitions, speeches, protests, publishing articles, etc., but it has led nowhere and the Bill was passed with the people's opposing opinions holding no ground or not influencing any of the politicians who supported the Bill. So, protests and petitions have had zero effect on the powers behind this Bill and also other measures by the government. From this and other examples, I learn that common people [like you and me] are powerless to influence or bring about any change to the status quo or convince the elites to change their mind about some policy.

Hi, I am kaxukame representing kazukame the foreign minister of The Mystical Council. I am here to maintain the wonderful relationship we have. Your relationship is a priority for us. I want to know how we can improve our relationship

Antinomian gnostic luciferians wrote:Why is America living in an age of profound economic inequality?

That's easy. Equal is not fair. For the moment this nation still leans toward the "you get what you work for" column.

Kaxukame wrote:Hi, I am kaxukame representing kazukame the foreign minister of The Mystical Council. I am here to maintain the wonderful relationship we have. Your relationship is a priority for us. I want to know how we can improve our relationship

We're good as far as I know.

Phrontisteries and Kaxukame

Xyanth wrote:That's easy. Equal is not fair. For the moment this nation still leans toward the "you get what you work for" column.

lmfao

Sociopia wrote:lmfao

It's true. Equal is never equal when the government administers it.

But I will leave it to you. Name one government program aimed at leveling the playing field that actually worked?

Child labor laws

Sociopia

Xyanth wrote:It's true. Equal is never equal when the government administers it.
But I will leave it to you. Name one government program aimed at leveling the playing field that actually worked?

>implying inequality isn't government administered

My question is why must the government have to "level the playing field?" Shouldn't the markets be the ones to decide who succeeds and fail?

Phrontisteries and Xyanth

Armus Republic wrote:Child labor laws

That was not an attempt to level the playing field.

Sociopia wrote:>implying inequality isn't government administered

You are implying it is. How so, and do you want to answer my last question?

Aja wrote:My question is why must the government have to "level the playing field?" Shouldn't the markets be the ones to decide who succeeds and fail?

Agreed 100%

Xyanth wrote:That was not an attempt to level the playing field.

Sure it was. During the Progressive Era there was a big push to get rid of children in the workforce. However, regardless of how good the intentions of the business owners were, they couldn't afford to get rid of their child labor unless everyone did. Enter child labor laws, which made it illegal for children under a certain age to work. All business needed to follow the law and therefore, no one lost profit.

I had a great time here

Sociopia

Armus Republic wrote:Sure it was. During the Progressive Era there was a big push to get rid of children in the workforce. However, regardless of how good the intentions of the business owners were, they couldn't afford to get rid of their child labor unless everyone did. Enter child labor laws, which made it illegal for children under a certain age to work. All business needed to follow the law and therefore, no one lost profit.

Hadn't thought if it like that.

So back in 2005 The Donald™ said some fairly rude things about several women in the presence of a hot mic. Recently that tape emerged for public scrutiny. Now we have every holier then thou public figure that can get to a microphone calling for Donald to drop out of the race. Anyone want to bet on how many of those condemning Trump have said, or at least thought, similar things?

What do you think? The poll is up.

Tsurara shirayuki

I won't defend what he said, or claim that its not something that should be considered when choosing who should represent the country, but I will say this:

Anyone who thinks Hillary does not have something hidden away just as abhorrent, if not worse, is deluding themselves.

I don't like the hypocrisy that arises any time people have something clear to pounce upon.

Antinomian gnostic luciferians

Xyanth wrote:So back in 2005 The Donald™ said some fairly rude things about several women in the presence of a hot mic. Recently that tape emerged for public scrutiny. Now we have every holier then thou public figure that can get to a microphone calling for Donald to drop out of the race. Anyone want to bet on how many of those condemning Trump have said, or at least thought, similar things?
What do you think? The poll is up.

Media should instead talk about Bill Clinton's rape victims and how Hillary who somehow defends the rights of women, made sure that Bill's victims were silenced.

Phrontisteries and Armus Republic

Post self-deleted by Gurkland.

''The right to private property was called by Cesare Beccaria(jurist, philosopher, economist and scholar) 'the terrible right'.

Private property derives and it is granted from collective property. This granting will remain valid if the social function of private ownership continues to be performed. It is collective ownership that is a natural right as well as an inviolable human right. The apotheosis of private property is the direct result of capitalism and neoliberalism.'' - Quote from a constitutionalist in my real life country.

LoL private property is really terribile. :D

Here people studying law are not sympathetic with private property. :[

Tsurara shirayuki

Gurkland wrote:''The right to private property was called by Cesare Beccaria(jurist, philosopher, economist and scholar) 'the terrible right'.
Private property derives and it is granted from collective property. This granting will remain valid if the social function of private ownership continues to be performed. It is collective ownership that is a natural right as well as an inviolable human right. The apotheosis of private property is the direct result of capitalism and neoliberalism.'' - Quote from a constitutionalist in my real life country.
LoL private property is really terribile. :D
Here people studying law are not sympathetic with private property. :[

That kind of thing actually hurts to read.

Phrontisteries, Xyanth, and Braecland

not even oi

Free market paradise

I don't know about everyone else but the only places I heard someone brag about or claim about sexually assaulting someone where they were not immediately condemned by someone else in the room was in jail, in a room full of criminals, and at a party full of cops, court officers and prison guards.

IMO, saying you would like to fu@k someone or something similar is not in the same league as claiming "you can just grab their pus@ies and they let you". One is a statement of desire, the other is to claim an action, truthful or not. Only the biggest lowlife in the room does the latter.

If Hilary gets caught doing something similar you can make the claim she does that too, otherwise it is merely self-justification. I think the fact Trump first second and third response to it was that Bill does worse shows he doesn't think what he said was bad at all, and to follow it with the claim that nobody respects women more than him confirms he is a bigot with zero clue that there anything wrong in what he said.

That he went as low as possible after the tape was released, even to the point of vowing to have a political opponent thrown in jail puts him on par with nations that lay claim to democracy but practice something else entirely, like the country I am living in right now where that sort of activity is common, where freedom of speech is curtailed and gun rights non-existent. Be thankful that sort of crass thuggery is not common in America.

I think Robert Deniro said it best. I would like to punch Trump in his fat, orange face. He deserves it. I laughed when Warren Buffet released his returns and I am now waiting for Trump to respond, probably on Twitter, by calling him a loser.

None of this matters since by his actions Trump is proving he is more concerned about locking down a loyal viewer base for his new network than attaining the Presidency, though losing to a girl is going to be a hard pill to swallow. That is why he is already crying foul. To soothe his ego. He is most upset that he will not be able to emulate Putin, who has a monthly show on a Russian Media Network. It won't be the same as a failed Presidential Candidate as it would have as a sitting one.

Wouldn't that have been something to see?

Working class and/or poor libertarians do not know what they do. Just the other day i saw an anarcho-capitalist mailman and then another person who has trouble paying bills that would like the government had a balanced budget like his own familiar budget. The political programs of libertarians and anarcho-capitalists parties provides for a mass layoff of millions of public workers and massive welfare cuts that target needy families in order to balance the budget. Not to mention the public school system where workers send their children that would fall into ruin with libertarianism.

You can't simply be an employee and vote for the Libertarian Party. It harms you.

Gurkland wrote:Working class and/or poor libertarians do not know what they do. Just the other day i saw an anarcho-capitalist mailman and then another person who has trouble paying bills that would like the government had a balanced budget like his own familiar budget. The political programs of libertarians and anarcho-capitalists parties provides for a mass layoff of millions of public workers and massive welfare cuts that target needy families in order to balance the budget. Not to mention the public school system where workers send their children that would fall into ruin with libertarianism.
You can't simply be an employee and vote for the Libertarian Party. It harms you.

In an economic sense, government employees who vote libertarian, and who support reforms that would 'harm' them believe that following their political principles gives more utility (in this case enjoyment and satisfaction) than they would lose from their job. Thus, they gain more when voting for the LP than not.

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