Capitalist Libertarian Freedom Region RMB

WA Delegate (non-executive): The Corporate States of Barcladon (elected )

Founder: The Pirates of Xyanth

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Most Nations: 285th Lowest Overall Tax Burden: 357th Largest Pizza Delivery Sector: 535th+21
Rudest Citizens: 625th Largest Soda Pop Sector: 684th Largest Retail Industry: 761st Most Armed: 770th Highest Crime Rates: 791st Fattest Citizens: 875th Highest Wealthy Incomes: 919th Greatest Rich-Poor Divides: 1,142nd Largest Gambling Industry: 1,176th Most Avoided: 1,306th Highest Unexpected Death Rate: 1,363rd Largest Information Technology Sector: 1,708th Largest Insurance Industry: 1,719th Largest Timber Woodchipping Industry: 1,754th Largest Mining Sector: 1,831st Largest Publishing Industry: 1,922nd Most World Assembly Endorsements: 1,924th Most Pro-Market: 1,945th Largest Manufacturing Sector: 1,974th Largest Automobile Manufacturing Sector: 1,985th Largest Furniture Restoration Industry: 2,042nd
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We invite political debate here. Many times these debates grow heated. If you are the type of person whose feelings get hurt over sarcasm or having your reality challenged, you do not belong here. People complaining to NS moderators over posts on this RMB will be banned for their own good. Better they should be in a place they can be happy.

Raiders, grief givers and spammers will be ejected and banned without warning. Spamming includes multiple one line entries. Those that enter the region, post and run will also be banned.

Embassies: Capitalist Paradise, The Ascendancy, United Republic of Nations, Cashnatchee, Eladen, Coalition of Democratic States, Laissez Faireholm, League of Christian Nations, Union of Nationalists, Libertatem, The Western Empire, The Illuminati, Continent of Xenonia, Southeastern Wisconsin, Zentari, International Union, and 24 others.United Alliances, Turkic Union, New Vegas, Conservative League, Classical Liberal Union, The Embassy, The Grand Empire of Royal Surrey, Cyberius Confederation, Gay Equality, Allied Federation of Nations, Historia Novorum, The Confederacy Of Kishkhat, Free Market Federation, United Valhaven, IMPERIVM, Hyatt Islands, United Liberty Front, Confederation of Far Hills, Mr Money Headquarters, New Tech, Rossferry, New Celtic Order, Sfear, and Minutemen Against Tyranny.

Tags: Democratic, Capitalist, National Sovereigntist, Social, Industrial, Modern Tech, Free Trade, Independent, Large, and Libertarian.

Regional Power: Moderate

Capitalist Libertarian Freedom Region contains 53 nations, the 285th most in the world.

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The Best Weather in Capitalist Libertarian Freedom Region

The following nations were determined to have the best all-round weather.

As a region, Capitalist Libertarian Freedom Region is ranked 19,356th in the world for Best Weather.

NationWA CategoryMotto
1.The Allied States of Reed AudioAnarchy“Leave Us Alone.”
2.The Federal Republic of People with IntellectInoffensive Centrist Democracy“He with smarts, shall follow his heart”
3.The Federal Republic of The Unified Lands of EuropeCivil Rights Lovefest“Unification through Shared Freedom”
4.The Holy Republic of MironusPsychotic Dictatorship“Light cleaveth unto Light.”
5.The Borderlands of RickganistanCorporate Bordello“Wubalubadubdub!”
6.The Federal Republic of The Free State of QantarAnarchy“Freedom Over Slavery!”
7.The Confederacy of Free VoluntaryistsAnarchy“Taxation is Theft”
8.The Borderlands of Satellite TransmitterFree-Market Paradise“#x01#x07^GC PRI#x02^MAINT REQ XMTR SYS FAIL#x03#x04#x05”
9.The People's Republic of Capitalist ChileAnarchy“.”
10.The Confederacy of JefersonnAnarchy“Liberty or Death”
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Last poll: “What to do about Puerto Rico's debt.”

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Capitalist Libertarian Freedom Region Regional Message Board

The Capitalist Freedomocracy of Yzzarkevoz wrote:I didn't build my house on flood-able land.

And you are ducking the point. Ok, you are high and dry and the electrical grid goes down for an extended period of time. We are talking several months. How are you and your community fixed for that?

Sociopia

The Capitalist Freedomocracy of Yzzarkevoz wrote:"Creating a class of people for the purpose of defense and enforcement of law and order is necessary to free up the labour of the common man so that he is more productive and happy because he must not be preoccupied with his own protection, especially in a high-population area." is not a fact...

It is.

The Capitalist Freedomocracy of Yzzarkevoz wrote:It doesn't matter who decides, we let the businesses work out their issues.

It's not about businesses. It's about people wanting to keep their families safe.

The Capitalist Freedomocracy of Yzzarkevoz wrote:People CAN be bad, but it will not exceed the amount to where me, my family, or my local community can not protect itself.

Oh really? Even when a few corporations have bought out the entire infrastructure of your city and own the police force, military and law? Or when thugs and dindus have made feeling safe on the streets all but a mere dream?

The Capitalist Freedomocracy of Yzzarkevoz wrote:Because businesses interest is profit, they are going to defend their customer base. Of course they aren't going to go out and fight the Islamic State, but that's a whole separate debate to have.

I am not saying they should go fight ISIS. I'm saying that this will allowing corporate entities to own public infrastructure and establish private militaries is a bad idea. They will inevitably establish dominance over geographical areas through ownership and/or military might, allowing them to create monopolies and establish militaristic proto-states. God knows what they will use those militaries to do with 'their' private property.
There is a reason people say anarcho-capitalism will lead to feudalism.

The Pirates of Xyanth wrote:And you are ducking the point. Ok, you are high and dry and the electrical grid goes down for an extended period of time. We are talking several months. How are you and your community fixed for that?

Its my fault for being reliable on anyone...

The Current Year of Sociopia wrote:It is.It's not about businesses. It's about people wanting to keep their families safe.Oh really? Even when a few corporations have bought out the entire infrastructure of your city and own the police force, military and law? Or when thugs and dindus have made feeling safe on the streets all but a mere dream?I am not saying they should go fight ISIS. I'm saying that this will allowing corporate entities to own public infrastructure and establish private militaries is a bad idea. They will inevitably establish dominance over geographical areas through ownership and/or military might, allowing them to create monopolies and establish militaristic proto-states. God knows what they will use those militaries to do with 'their' private property.
There is a reason people say anarcho-capitalism will lead to feudalism.

I would love it if businesses took control of the infrastructure. If you don't like that then you should buy your own infrastructure. I would much rather trust businesses with the military because the government has proven to be miserable and oppressive.

The Republic of Polka Mine wrote:I'm curious as to what everyone here thinks is the best Libertarian approach to dealing with poverty. Some say that capitalism is all about survival of the fittest which, although cruel, is the nature of the universe. Others say that only hard work and education is the answer. I personally am stumped, and don't' have a clue, but I certainly don't believe liberal politics or socialism or economic control is the answer. I believe in freedom. What say you?


Milton Friedman advocated for a minimum guaranteed income. He speaks eloquently about it in a number of places. I don't fully support the idea, but it's had me thinking. It is certainly a better option than the makeshift an inequitable systems that are currently in place, but that's not saying much.

Capitalism and Libertarianism don't advocate dog-eat-dog survival. They argue that a managed system is worse for everyone than a free system. It's not that we don't want things to be equitable, it's that centralized institutions ALWAYS make things worse than they would be otherwise. It's about finding the balance of "how much incompetent interference is necessary to maintaining a civil society" versus "what are we better off without." The exact line on that is always debatable.

What the h* is going on in this game?!? I'm terrified of answering any issues at all anymore. They've all been rescored by extreme leftists or something. Instead of minor changes that make sense for each answer, I'm getting massive shifts that are self-contradictory.

Does anyone know what's going on? Is this a concerted effort to change the game?

The Capitalist Freedomocracy of Yzzarkevoz wrote:Its my fault for being reliable on anyone...

So... What you are saying while still ducking the main point is that you are able to be 100% self sufficient for... let's say six months. That means you will be able to "hermit" with no need of external power or fuel, no grocery stores, no police, fire or EMS, not even sewer service. (Yes, that will stop working too.)

The Capitalist Freedomocracy of Yzzarkevoz wrote:I would love it if businesses took control of the infrastructure.

Ok... So you subscribe to the local private fire department as do two of the other people living on your block. The house next door catches fire. The occupants, not being subscribers to the fire department try to contain the flames themselves. But they make a mess of it and the fire gets completely way from them. By the time you are even aware there is a fire next door, the flames are through the neighbor's roof. You call the fire department to protect your property, but by the time they get there the fire has spread to your house and another neighbor that subscribes to the private fire fighting service. So now, not only do you have a problem and damage that is growing by the minute, your private fire department has to split its limited privately funded resources between two structure fires. Speaking of resources, if the city does not have a stake in the fire department, who springs for the fire hydrants? Who sets building and electrical codes?

The Capitalist Freedomocracy of Yzzarkevoz wrote:If you don't like that then you should buy your own infrastructure.

You must be richer than Donald Trump.

The Capitalist Freedomocracy of Yzzarkevoz wrote:I would much rather trust businesses with the military because the government has proven to be miserable and oppressive.

Those are called mercenaries. The problem with those is they are for sale to the highest bidder.

The Constitutional Monarchy of Asoch wrote:It is certainly a better option than the makeshift an inequitable systems that are currently in place, but that's not saying much.

Couple of things here. What's inequitable about it? What in all that is logical led you to believe that you or anyone else is entitled to any income, let alone some minimum standard?

The Constitutional Monarchy of Asoch wrote:Capitalism and Libertarianism don't advocate dog-eat-dog survival.

Actually, that is exactly what they advocate as long as the playing field is level and everyone is playing by a very limited set of rules.

The Constitutional Monarchy of Asoch wrote:They argue that a managed system is worse for everyone than a free system.

It is. See the current circumstances in the US.

The Constitutional Monarchy of Asoch wrote:It's not that we don't want things to be equitable,

What's this "we" stuff? "Income equality" and "economic justice" and phrases like those are myths. I want the freedom to make and keep as much money as I am able to earn. Along with that freedom comes the freedom to fail.

The Constitutional Monarchy of Asoch wrote:It's about finding the balance of "how much incompetent interference is necessary to maintaining a civil society" versus "what are we better off without." The exact line on that is always debatable.

I agree with you.

The Constitutional Monarchy of Asoch wrote:What the h* is going on in this game?!? I'm terrified of answering any issues at all anymore. They've all been rescored by extreme leftists or something. Instead of minor changes that make sense for each answer, I'm getting massive shifts that are self-contradictory.
Does anyone know what's going on? Is this a concerted effort to change the game?

A while back there were some major adjustments made in the scoring system that weighed very heavily against conservative values. But when you look at the people running the game, that should not be surprising.

The Pirates of Xyanth wrote:So... What you are saying while still ducking the main point is that you are able to be 100% self sufficient for... let's say six months. That means you will be able to "hermit" with no need of external power or fuel, no grocery stores, no police, fire or EMS, not even sewer service. (Yes, that will stop working too.)
Ok... So you subscribe to the local private fire department as do two of the other people living on your block. The house next door catches fire. The occupants, not being subscribers to the fire department try to contain the flames themselves. But they make a mess of it and the fire gets completely way from them. By the time you are even aware there is a fire next door, the flames are through the neighbor's roof. You call the fire department to protect your property, but by the time they get there the fire has spread to your house and another neighbor that subscribes to the private fire fighting service. So now, not only do you have a problem and damage that is growing by the minute, your private fire department has to split its limited privately funded resources between two structure fires. Speaking of resources, if the city does not have a stake in the fire department, who springs for the fire hydrants? Who sets building and electrical codes?
You must be richer than Donald Trump.
Those are called mercenaries. The problem with those is they are for sale to the highest bidder.

I'm saying that if I put myself into a risky situation and I end up on the wrong side of the outcome then I am to blame. Either way, that's why people help each other out. I'm going to help out my neighbor when he/she is in trouble, so long as it is of my own free will.
That's why my neighbors and I will sign up for the same fire department service ;) Besides I wouldn't by a house next to a house that doesn't subscribe to the fire department. That would be ludicrous. The fire hydrant companies spring up fire hydrants silly. The companies set standards for themselves because there I am going to subscribe to the fire department that has a better track record.
Hey, just saying. You don't want to rely on a company's infrastructure then start building it yourself.
It would be much more likely a company would use their military as a laborforce first and when a threat presented itself it would be mobilized, but I'm cool with mercenaries.

The Capitalist Freedomocracy of Yzzarkevoz wrote:I'm saying that if I put myself into a risky situation <--SNIP-->

Your views, while remarkably optimistic, are not founded in reality.

Sociopia

You did not address my points and have a truly warped perception of reality.

The Capitalist Freedomocracy of Yzzarkevoz wrote:...I would love it if businesses took control of the infrastructure. If you don't like that then you should buy your own infrastructure.

A contradiction.

The Capitalist Freedomocracy of Yzzarkevoz wrote:I would much rather trust businesses with the military because the government has proven to be miserable and oppressive.

Oligarchies are consistently more militaristic than representative democracies when it comes to the administration of a state's law enforcement and armed forces. Surely the latter would be a more equitable choice if it were a concern of yours.

we seem to have forgotten the lessons of Welfare Reform.

I do no care if the Angel Gabriel advocated a "guaranteed income" from the state (in return for NO WORK) it is still a terrible idea.

The young and able bodied must not get money from the state in return for NO WORK.

Most jobs are rather horrible - if people could eat without working, more and more people (especially over generations) would do so.

"Food Stamps" are bad enough, they did not exist in 1960 and (contrary to the propaganda of the left) people did not starve on the streets - they worked.

Now the population is like the mob of Ancient Rome - is expecting "bread and games" from government.

Hence both life long Progressive Donald Trump and Progressive Hillary Clinton - who BOTH offer free stuff.

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