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Regional Poll • What to do about people that cannot pay back their student loans?

The Pirates of Xyanth wrote:Occupy Student Loans wants the government to forgive all student loans. What do you think?

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I meant "not even going to inform their parents".

The boys will have no children - because they are going to have their penis and testicles cut off.

There is a movement about the US to persuade the government to forgive government backed student loans. People under the burden of this debt are claiming the loans (usually at 2.5% interest) are dragging their lives down.

On the other side of that same coin, there is roughly $1.2 trillion in outstanding government backed student debt out there. That's a fairly hefty chunk of change to be walking away from.

So what do you think? New poll is up.

The Pirates of Xyanth wrote:Yanktopia, do you really stand behind Trump? All he's doing is a publicity stunt. Can you imagine him as president? I'd rather vote for Clinton than Trump.


Trump's got nine BILLION dollars - that's the kind of leadership this country needs! He's also an outsider, not part of the corrupt political establishment. I'd rather have a shrewd, patriotic businessman who's got the stones to call a spade a spade than a nepotistic career politician as President. So yeah, I stand behind The Donald all the way! Plus, let's be honest, instead of some soccer mom First Lady we'd probably have a string of smokin' hot First BABES in the White House by the man's second term!

The Pirates of Xyanth wrote:There is a movement about the US to persuade the government to forgive government backed student loans. People under the burden of this debt are claiming the loans (usually at 2.5% interest) are dragging their lives down.

On the other side of that same coin, there is roughly $1.2 trillion in outstanding government backed student debt out there. That's a fairly hefty chunk of change to be walking away from.

So what do you think? New poll is up.


I have a different take than the options in the poll.

Look, let's be honest, here: there's no chance in those loans are ever going to be repaid. Millions of students were stupid enough to get a degree in underwater basket weaving or Marxist Critical Theory or whatever and can now look forward to a career serving coffee if they're lucky. The government could garnish all of their meager paychecks, and this is not going to even begin to repay the outstanding debt.

These students were irresponsible and - to be quite frank about it - stupid to take out these loans. But in a way, I sympathize with them: most of them did it when they were young, and as I said earlier, when you're a teenager it's just a medical fact that your brain isn't fully developed yet, and the areas responsible for judgment and good decision making in particular are not done growing yet. Add in the general indoctrination of liberal culture, and I can see why these gullible young saps would jump at the chance for free money.

SO while these students were idiots, the bigger idiots are the folks in the government for making these kinds of bad loans to begin with. Lending comes with risk, and if you choose to make an extremely risky loan, I don't see why the creditor shouldn't bear the consequences of their decision. Stupidity should NOT be rewarded, and that includes the stupidity of creditors as well as borrowers!

My solution would be:

(1) Write off existing student debt as bad debt (which it is), BUT mark all of these profligate student borrowers as life long credit risks...let them have to PROVE their responsibility in the future before they can so much as apply for a credit card.

(2) Severely curtail the amount of student loans issued by the gov't going forward, and only give loans to students pursuing careers where they have more than a snowball's chance in hell of paying them back: we need more engineers, medical professionals, and scientists in this country, NOT more Marxist cultural study loons.

Trump declared bankruptcy four times. Squandering immense amounts of money is NOT the leadership we need. Trump is not shrewd. He is an example of the laws of probability.

This student loan revolt is typical of today. You get other people, who don't want to, to pay for whatever you want then after you got it,don't pay. I didn't want to pay for these people bad education and now they don't want to pay into a system that would divide some of their money spent for some old people and not programs benefitting themselves. It's all about voting themselves free money and services. The beauty of democracy. Also it's greatest evil.

If we are going to use this, "children aren't fully developed yet so they are prone to make bad decisions" argument then these "children" shouldn't be allowed to vote until they are 25. I don't agree but it is a logical extension of your argument. If they are too immature to make a viable financial decision (though what they were taught in HS is beyond me), they shouldn't be voting on deciding what to do with other people's money or lives.

The True Believers of Free Market Paradise wrote:Trump declared bankruptcy four times. Squandering immense amounts of money is NOT the leadership we need. Trump is not shrewd. He is an example of the laws of probability.


Sometimes you've got to spend money to make money, Holmes!

The True Believers of Free Market Paradise wrote:This student loan revolt is typical of today. You get other people, who don't want to, to pay for whatever you want then after you got it,don't pay. I didn't want to pay for these people bad education and now they don't want to pay into a system that would divide some of their money spent for some old people and not programs benefitting themselves. It's all about voting themselves free money and services. The beauty of democracy. Also it's greatest evil.


I agree, but at the same time, you should also ask: what were the creditors thinking? If some degenerate vagrant who reeks of alcohol accosts me on the street and asks if he can borrow $100, and promises to pay me back, is it anyone's fault but my own if I hand him the money? Freeloaders are despicable, but those who knowingly enable them are just as bad. The creditors, both government lenders and private lenders, should have known better and should not be let off the hook for this.

The True Believers of Free Market Paradise wrote:If we are going to use this, "children aren't fully developed yet so they are prone to make bad decisions" argument then these "children" shouldn't be allowed to vote until they are 25.


I wouldn't mind this at all. In the old days they had apprenticeships so that young people spend their time learning marketable skills and important life lessons. By the age of 25 most people who had been through that model were fine upstanding citizens, able to contribute valuable goods and services.

Nowadays, we let hooligans run rampant and throw money at them, as if that's going to solve the problem.

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The Military Industrial Complex of Yanktopia wrote:(1) Write off existing student debt as bad debt (which it is), BUT mark all of these profligate student borrowers as life long credit risks...let them have to PROVE their responsibility in the future before they can so much as apply for a credit card.

I disagree. This is taxpayer money and it sets a really bad precedent. I think the people that took these loans should be pursued all the rest of their lives until the debt is paid back. This includes no government benefits of any kind until it is paid. This includes unemployment, Medicare, Social Security, etc.

The Military Industrial Complex of Yanktopia wrote:(2) Severely curtail the amount of student loans issued by the gov't going forward, and only give loans to students pursuing careers where they have more than a snowball's chance in hell of paying them back: we need more engineers, medical professionals, and scientists in this country, NOT more Marxist cultural study loons.

I would add a requirement that the student comes up with a significant portion of the total fee out of pocket. We are talking at least 10%, 25% would be better. A credit check and a background check would be good as well. Might turn up some indicators about the person applying for the loan.

Reed Audio and Phrontisteries

Yes, spend money to make money doesn't mean it's guaranteed. That's where the laws of probability come into play. Rich people have more money to invest so they can afford several misses before a hit comes in that recoups all they lost previously and then some. Trump can't even do that right. He had all those chances and still managed to screw up so bad he had to write off his debts 4 times. He is all bluster.

If students are children then they won't have established much in the line of credit or background checks. The low interest rate was an incentive to get students to pay back loan. Most high Rick ventures are only good with high reward. Money wasn't the high reward here, it was quality education that would benefit the country as a whole. That hasn't happened.

Most of my friends were saddled with this debt for a decade or so. These are people that acquired skills and made decent money, and spent almost every night at a bar or a club. They still payed it off in ten years. That's not too bad. I don't see why they are complaining other than being spoiled assholes. My friends complained but they paid it off.

If these kids don't want to pay their own loans off who expects them to pay anything to their parents or anyone else in the form of taxes. Me me me! What a sad joke.

Reed Audio and Xyanth

People complain that higher education is very expensive - but they fail to understand that government interventionism (such as government backed "student loans") is why tuition costs exploded out of control in the first place.

Before government started to push higher education tuition were actually reasonable (even in relation to wages and incomes at the time) - but when government subsidies (or otherwise pushes something) the costs explode - even David Ricardo (for all his other faults) understood this two-centuries-ago.

Get the government out of this - no more backing for "student loans" and no more other backing for higher education.

People used to work-their-way-up in business and other fields - the idea of "graduate entry" (going over the heads of people who have worked in an organisation for years) was wrong headed to start with.

As for the "value to society" of teaching lots of people leftist propaganda in the "humanities and social sciences" - this "value to society" turns out to be turning out brainwashed "liberals" who think that cutting the penis and testicles of underage boys is a good idea.

Once the "liberal arts" meant the study of the works of people such as Paul Elmer Moore and Irving Babbitt - now it means wall-to-wall leftist propaganda.

Universities that dissent from the leftist line (such as Hillsdale) do not get government backed "student loans" anyway.

The whole higher education market (and it should be a free market) needs fundamental change - for example an end to "tenure".

Tenure is supposed to protect academic freedom - but when was the last time a non-leftist academic was protected by it?

Non leftists are (mostly) not even hired in the first place - and even if they are hired as soon as the cry (however false) of "racism", "sexism", or "homophobia" is raised it turns out that (surprise-surprise) tenure does not apply. And university authorities do not protect conservative professors (when there are any conservative professors) from thug "protestors" disrupting their classes - no matter how false the charges of the "protestors".

Free higher education of all government intervention and the price of college would crash - and the present leftist playpens would be replaced by real centres of learning.

As for Rand Paul - he is running a campaign for smaller government (including a less interventionist foreign policy).

However, he is not blowing any anti-Semitic dog whistles. No Rothbardian stuff (and, please, no "Rothbard can not have been an anti-Semite - he came from a Jewish family" - Murray Rothbard was a fan of the holocaust denier, and anti American nut, Harry Elmer Barnes - it is hard to get any worse than that).

Is it possible for a person who wants a smaller government, such as Rand Paul, to have a successful campaign without blowing anti-Semitic dog whistles or supporting the false (lying) anti American "history" of Woodrow Wilson and Charles Beard (Constitution and Civil War periods), Gabriel Kolko (Progressive period - and Cold War period) and Harry Elmer Barnes (First and Second World Wars and Cold Wars).

All these "historians" were radical statists - and it continues to astonish me that some libertarians have been so mislead by them.

Rand Paul's campaign has avoided all this stuff - and if libertarians are not supporting him, that says a lot more about these "libertarians" than it says about Rand Paul.

If one has to blow anti-Semitic dog whistles to get "libertarian" support - then it is not worth having.

I hope there are still enough real libertarians (people in the tradition of Ludwig Von Mises, not the institute that took his name after his death, and Frank Meyer) out there.

Being a libertarian should NOT mean twisting history to turn the United States (and the allies of the United States) into the "bad guy" in world history.

Specifically on the Middle East - it is perfectly legitimate to say "this area is on the other side of the world - we should not be involved".

If people say that, I might not agree, but I would have no "problem" with them.

I have a "problem" with people who attack places on the basis of total ignorance (never having even been there) and on the basis of socialist "historians" (such as Barack Obama's friend Edward Said - who lied even about his own life, as well as the "Orientalists" and everything else) who lie and lie and lie.

Supporting holocaust deniers (such as Harry Elmer Barnes - as Rothbard did) and, de facto, supporting a second holocaust (a "right of return" for the forces of Islam).

I repeat if someone says "I do not understand the area, and it is on the other side of the world, we should NOT BE INVOLVED" I have no "problem" with them.

As long as they leave it at that.

No blowing anti-Semitic dog whistles.

And, by the way, I am NOT Jewish.

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