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Regional Poll • What to do about Gaza?

The Pirates of Xyanth wrote:This week's poll is brought to you by the debate between Amitium and pretty much the rest of the region. If you were in command of Israel, what would you do about the Palestinian problem in Gaza?

Voting opened 6 days ago and will close in 1 day 21 hours. Open to residents. You cannot vote as you are not logged in.

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Hello, I am new to nationstates and am looking to get started being really involved in this game, as I am loving it. Can any of you help me out with whats going on in the region in general, as well as how I could become more involved as a citizen and eventually in a government office?

The Pirates of Xyanth wrote:You got a couple things wrong there. Israel purchases the weapons we give them. While those weapons my be discounted dramatically, there is no give here. We do (or did) have troops there manning anti-ballistic missile systems. But those still belong to us.

It's practically giving them away. Besides money (how ever little we get) how else does Israel benefit us?

The Pirates of Xyanth wrote:You are going to have to show me something Israel has done to give them the label "dishonorable." So far I haven't seen it.

So, from that statement I take it to mean you see Israel as a barbaric nation. Would you care to tell us how you arrived at that?

You haven't seen it? Seriously? The Israeli "Defense" (ha ha) Forces have murdered hundreds of civilians, including children, during Israel's existence. Research the Al-Dawayima massacre, the Eilabun massacre, the Kafr Qasim massacre, the Safsaf massacre... the list goes on and on. Palestinians committed a bunch of massacres too. I'm not taking either side because both sides suck.

Israel is a nation that causes barbarism, intentionally or unintentionally. I'm not saying Israeli people are evil. I'm saying that establishing a predominantly Jewish state in the predominantly Islamic Middle-east, when everyone KNOWS Jews and Muslims are hostile to each other, is plain stupid because it just causes endless violence. Israel should not have been created. But it has. So now it comes down to both sides making peace (very unlikely) or one side being exterminated.

The Confederacy of Zeekinkos wrote:It's practically giving them away. Besides money (how ever little we get) how else does Israel benefit us?

You haven't seen it? Seriously? The Israeli "Defense" (ha ha) Forces have murdered hundreds of civilians, including children, during Israel's existence. Research the Al-Dawayima massacre, the Eilabun massacre, the Kafr Qasim massacre, the Safsaf massacre... the list goes on and on. Palestinians committed a bunch of massacres too. I'm not taking either side because both sides suck.

Israel is a nation that causes barbarism, intentionally or unintentionally. I'm not saying Israeli people are evil. I'm saying that establishing a predominantly Jewish state in the predominantly Islamic Middle-east, when everyone KNOWS Jews and Muslims are hostile to each other, is plain stupid because it just causes endless violence. Israel should not have been created. But it has. So now it comes down to both sides making peace (very unlikely) or one side being exterminated.


1. Over half of the technology we use in every day life in America came/comes from Israel. Do your homework!

2. You should note that Islam is hostile to everyone, not just Jews... And Jews and Muslims can get along just fine... look at Morocco as an example; each have their own cities and trade between, but no real hostility.

3. Jews have existed in that area LONG before the creation of the religion known as Islam... Look it up before trying to preach.

The Free Land of New US America wrote:Hello, I am new to nationstates and am looking to get started being really involved in this game, as I am loving it. Can any of you help me out with whats going on in the region in general, as well as how I could become more involved as a citizen and eventually in a government office?

I recommend you read the region message board (that's where you left this message) and vote in the polls. We do a lot of real world discussion here.

The Confederacy of Zeekinkos wrote:It's practically giving them away. Besides money (how ever little we get) how else does Israel benefit us?

Some of the technology that we use in our weapon systems comes from Israel. But whether or not Israel is a benefit to us or not is beside the point. The point is that as Americans we are supposed to honor our commitments to our allies. Without the US, we would have another Holocaust.

The Confederacy of Zeekinkos wrote:You haven't seen it? Seriously? The Israeli "Defense" (ha ha) Forces have murdered hundreds of civilians, including children, during Israel's existence. Research the Al-Dawayima massacre, the Eilabun massacre, the Kafr Qasim massacre, the Safsaf massacre... the list goes on and on. Palestinians committed a bunch of massacres too. I'm not taking either side because both sides suck.

Actually, I disagree. Every action Israel takes is in direct response to attacks. They cannot back down because to do so would be their end. This comes back down to the earlier point about the locals ratting out the terrorists so the locals do not become targets themselves.

However, if we want to weight the gravity and quantity of sins, the terrorists are going to win that one by a factor of ten or more. Israel, when left alone is pretty much a live and let live culture. But when pushed, they push back three times as hard. Like in the book and movie Ender's Game. The commander of Battle School asked Ender why he beat the ever loving tar out of another kid once the kid went down. The response was something along the lines of the first punch was to win that fight. All the rest was to win all the future fights to make sure they never happen.

The Confederacy of Zeekinkos wrote:Israel is a nation that causes barbarism, intentionally or unintentionally. I'm not saying Israeli people are evil. I'm saying that establishing a predominantly Jewish state in the predominantly Islamic Middle-east, when everyone KNOWS Jews and Muslims are hostile to each other, is plain stupid because it just causes endless violence. Israel should not have been created.

So... You are blaming the attempted rape on the victim. Interesting...

The Confederacy of Zeekinkos wrote:So now it comes down to both sides making peace (very unlikely) or one side being exterminated.

If you sincerely believe that why didn't take that option in the poll?[nation][/nation]

Reed Audio and Phrontisteries

Zeekinkos - someone who calls Israel "dishonourable" is not worth having a conversation with.

As for arms sales to Israel - the M16 rifle is out of date, the new Israeli rifle is locally designed and made. The Israeli arms industry and the arms industries of other nations are sufficient even if Mr Obama decided to cut off all arms sales as "aid".

As for Gaza - all the options above ignore threat that Hamas poses to EGYPT.

Hamas (like CAIR in the United States) is an outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood - it has helped in many terrorist attacks in Egypt, which is why the government of Egypt has cleared the border area.

The barbarism of Islamist groups in Syria, Algeria, Iraq, Yemen (and on and on) is not caused by Israel.

People who blame Israel for the savagery of Islamist groups (that goes back to Mohammed himself - and Islamists raided Europe and European shipping from the 7th century to the 19th century) remind me of those people (including many people who describe themselves as on the left) who blame the rape of Swedish women by the Islamists on the way Swedish women dress.

The demented attacks on Israel by the Western left (including "left libertarians") are incredibly cowardly.

People such as Zeekinkos know they can say anything (no matter how vile) about Israel - and they will not be harmed.

Would Zeekinkos draw a cartoon of Mohammed and publish it under his real name?

I do not think he would - because the Muslims would murder him if did.

But let us not face up the real problem - the "barbarous" behaviour of the forces of Islam.

Let us just blame everything on the Jews.

Phrontisteries and Xyanth

"Israel should never have been created" - well at least the person who wrote that is open in his evil.

Someone like Barack Obama pretends to be a friend of Israel - whilst doing all they can (all Congress can not block) to undermine Israel (with the United Nations and the European Union).

Pro totalitarian Soviet Union socialists (Mr and Mrs Webb - Lord and Lady P.) blocked a lot of Jewish immigration to the Holy Land in the 1930s - whilst doing nothing to block Muslim immigration (the so called "Palestinians", no such independent country ever existed, are often from Egypt and other lands - even Chairman Arafat was born and raised in Egypt).

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (appointed by the radical "liberal" Herbert Samuel - another one sided immigration controller, and ironically from a Jewish family) personally organised murders and rapes in the 1920s and openly backed Adolf Hitler in the 1930s and 1940s (even visiting extermination camps - which Mr Hitler could not bring himself to do).

Those who say "Israel should never have been created" or support the one sided (keep out as many Jews as possible - but let as many Muslims enter the Holy Land as want to go there) British immigration policy in the 1920s and 1930s, are really saying....

"Hitler did not murder enough Jews - those who managed to get to Israel should also be murdered".

They are like Murray Rothbard's hero - Harry Elmer Barnes (who made his name lying about the First World War - and then carried on his policy of lying in relation to the Second World War and the Cold War - Korea and so on) - who denied that the Mr Hitler and the National Socialists had any policy to exterminate the Jews (yes Rothbard made a hero of a holocaust denier).

Or Rothbard himself (like Herbert Samuel from a Jewish family) who declared that there should be a "right of return" for Muslims to the Holy Land - even though opening the door to the forces of Islam would inevitably lead to the murder of another six million Jews.

"Why should we care about Jews?"

If anyone thinks that the forces of Islam just want to get rid of the Jews and will leave Europe and the United States alone (if they go along with the extermination of the "dishonourable" Jews) that person is a fool.

Phrontisteries and Xyanth

The population transfer between Greece and Turkey after their war is often forgotten - although Greeks had lived in Turkey for thousands of years before there was any such place as "Turkey".

In the Middle East Jews lived in every country before there were any such people as Muslims.

However, the Jews have been driven out of everywhere (with a few token exceptions) and no one bats an eyelid about it.

And, contrary to the legend of tolerant Islam, Jews were long persecuted by Islam - indeed the restrictions imposed in Europe by Pope Innocent III (the forced wearing of special clothing and so on) were copying restrictions already imposed by Islam.

There was also slaughter and rape of Jews by the forces of Islam in the 19th century - long before modern Israel existed.

The efforts to peacefully go back the Holy Land were repeatedly frustrated by slaughter - almost every town in the Holy Land has seen the slaughter of Jews over the centuries.

The same is true of Europe.

The only way that Jews can live securely - is to be well armed and well trained.

This the "liberal" American Jews (the "J Street" types and other pro Obama types) do not understand.

They will have to learn it - by bitter experience.

Working to become well educated and wealthy does not matter - not if you can not (with your own hands) defend your family and your friends.

A lesson that everyone (not just Jews) should understand.

Are you a free person?

Yes?

Where is your firearm?

Can you use it well?

Are you prepared to die to defend your family?

No?

Then you are not a free person.

Phrontisteries and Xyanth

The Pirates of Xyanth wrote:So... You are blaming the attempted rape on the victim. Interesting...
If you sincerely believe that why didn't take that option in the poll?

What the? Where did that analogy come from? You are making incorrect assumptions about me.

If I use your analogy I would say both sides are rapists and victims. Why is that so hard to understand? Israel is not perfect. Palestine is not perfect. Both sides are people. It's not angels versus demons. I support neither of them and I criticize both of them.

The land was originally to be partitioned between Jews and Arabs. Now the Arabs didn't like all these people coming and settling their land so they attacked. Israel retaliated and fought back, and in the process basically conquered Palestine. Instead of partitioning the land, Israel kept it. It's no wonder the Palestinians are all upset; they're a conquered people.

I picked the best option. Let Gaza become an independent state. It's the "live and let live" approach that you say Israel abides by (which I don't believe). And if independence is really what the people of Gaza want, then peace should come. But if Gaza rather wage a genocidal war, then I guess Israel will have to fight for survival and the bloody cycle continues.

The Allied States of Reed Audio wrote: Zeekinkos - someone who calls Israel "dishonourable" is not worth having a conversation with.

I'm sorry to hear you are so closed-minded.

The Allied States of Reed Audio wrote:People such as Zeekinkos know they can say anything (no matter how vile) about Israel - and they will not be harmed.

Would Zeekinkos draw a cartoon of Mohammed and publish it under his real name?

I do not think he would - because the Muslims would murder him if did.

Of course she would; I believe in unrestricted free speech. I repeat, unrestricted. I would gladly put my real name on a cartoon of the Muhammed prophet guy I drew. Je suis Charlie. And if extremists do attack me, I'll have my gun ready.

Why shouldn't I be able to criticize the Israeli state? Why do you oppose unrestricted freedom of speech? What can words do unless action backs them up?

The Allied States of Reed Audio wrote:Those who say "Israel should never have been created" or support the one sided (keep out as many Jews as possible - but let as many Muslims enter the Holy Land as want to go there) British immigration policy in the 1920s and 1930s, are really saying...
"Hitler did not murder enough Jews - those who managed to get to Israel should also be murdered".
They are like Murray Rothbard's hero - Harry Elmer Barnes - who denied that the Mr Hitler and the National Socialists had any policy to exterminate the Jews.

You are over-exaggerating, over-generalizing, and making hasty conclusions. How could you make so many logical fallacies?

First of all, Palestine/Israel is just a land. With all the bloodshed over it I definitely do not consider it holy. And no one can prove it is a "holy land", so saying it is is a matter of opinion.

Secondly, I am certainly not an anti-Semite. I am not an anti-*insert name of any ethnicity here* of any kind. I don't advocate murder. But I am anti-Zionism. I also have doubts about the "holocaust".

It saddens me how people are so afraid of free speech. Why can't people question the holocaust? Why are there laws, for goddess sakes, against questioning it? If people deny the holocaust that does not automatically mean they are anti-Semite. It just means they need more proof/evidence to convince them. I grew up being encouraged to question everything. Everything. Sorry if that offends anybody.

The Educational Constituency of Phrontisteries wrote:Please do your homework before posting...
Israel is not made up of only Jews. The ruling body is made up of Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
One side IS being barbaric, but how do you fight people throwing rocks with guns? Or a people who do NOT care about life fighting a people that DO. How do you fix a people that try to kill civilians by lobbing rockets from schools?
Palestinians are not the problem. Israelis are not the problem. The problem are the people taking religion as a reason to kill anyone who isn't of their faith or style of religion.

When a one groups's creed is to exterminate a people, how do you react? Is it not a problem because you are not one of them? People who stand by and do nothing when they could have done something (education counts) are just as culpable for the lack of humanity as those who have a disdain for human life.

I keep reading these comments and I'm finding so many ignorant responses; I don't know why people claim to actually know what is going on without ever having been there or have been an actual target.

I really should stop reading the Forum here... can't fix ignorance on the internet... eh... I tried: my bad.


Homework,homework, give me a break! Haven't done homework in years. Not going to start now.

History lesson for xyanth: I know there were hundreds of non Jews leading Israel but how many after 1948? Hmm...lets see...umm....yeah.

Barbarism is Begin Doctrine. Barbarism is allowing people to starve by intent and national policy taking best of things while leaving others shi-t, if anything is barbarism. Need I go on? I probably do but then I might have to make an effort. And this subject clearly doesn't require one if you looked without rose colored glasses. Or blindfolded more likely.

A+++! 103/100. Yeah!

The True Believers of Free Market Paradise wrote:Homework,homework, give me a break! Haven't done homework in years. Not going to start now.

History lesson for xyanth: I know there were hundreds of non Jews leading Israel but how many after 1948? Hmm...lets see...umm....yeah.

Barbarism is Begin Doctrine. Barbarism is allowing people to starve by intent and national policy taking best of things while leaving others shi-t, if anything is barbarism. Need I go on? I probably do but then I might have to make an effort. And this subject clearly doesn't require one if you looked without rose colored glasses. Or blindfolded more likely.

A+++! 103/100. Yeah!

Who is blindfolded to the reality of the situation? But go ahead and help me out here. Why would anyone feed, let alone open their borders, to people that are continually sending terrorist attacks against their homeland?

You have got to stop getting your "facts" off the DailyKos.

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