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Always the spirit of festiveness.
In the sense that it was the issue straight people decided was the only important one about our movement. I look forward to seeing a large number of our allies declaring that the fight is over, packing up their activism, and going home. After all, homophobia is over now, just like how the civil rights act ended racism.
This is quite true, actually. In Canada, we've only made very slow progress with LGBT rights since the legalisation of same-sex marriage in 2005, and we've only made any progress at all because we're not letting up on the governments for one second.
I mean, the Americans still ban trans people from serving in the military, and conversion therapy (denounced by all reputable psychologists and psychiatrists who have done any research on the subject) is still perfectly legal in many states. That's going to take a sh!tload of work to dismantle, and now that SSM is legal, a lot of people are going to ease up on advocacy because they think that SSM is the only real LGBT legal battle (hah).
1) This so much.
2) You can, indeed, look forward to it (unfortunately).
But the sociopolitical will never existed.
If anything, this decision goes a long way to culturally proliferating the normalization of the community, which makes the presentation of your issues more manageable.
And then they can be treated with all the seriousness we treat the issues of other minority communities -- by calling the riot police!
There's no repression like repression we can pretend has already been addressed.
Exactly. I really couldn't have worded that any better myself. And that's what's happened to a large extent in Canada -- most cishet (i.e. non-LGBT) people have stopped doing anything to help the community, because as far as they're concerned, queerphobia is over in our country. Of course, we LGBT folk ourselves know better. I don't imagine it will be much different in the US.
Also, I feel I should note that historically, the normalisation of (the most normative members of) the community has been problematic. The people who conform the best to heteronormative and cisnormative standards have gradually been accepted into the fold, leaving the least normative people out in the cold and marginalising them further. The best analogy I can think of is how, in the African American community, the people with the lightest skin are the least oppressed because they're the most similar to white people.
Mind you, I don't support gay marriage in the least. I'm of the opinion that marriage is first and foremost a religious institution, and between a man and a woman. In my opinion gay marriage would be better addressed with civil unions capable of all of the benefits of marriage without the name.
But I consider it one of those things I'm willing to not get riled up over. Homosexual acts are sins just like adulterous acts/theft/whatnot, but don't deserve the stigmatization they endure in the modern day. We don't drive liars to suicide, or have yell slurs at men who cheat on their wives.
I don't know if I buy that logic.
Yes, perhaps the most fringe members of the community are not benefited. But I've not seen any evidence to suggest they are harmed, which still makes this a net win.
Female suffrage comes to mind.
After women got the right to vote, people felt that further demands for equality were demanding privileges, or whining for no good reason. I think it's likely that's going to happen in the US.
Personally, I'm not interested in marriage myself. In my family, I've only seen a few successful marriages, so the legal ties aren't worth it in my mind. When you're unmarried, separation is easier than when you're married. ;)
Fair enough. Honestly, that's all I'm really looking for from most people. Everyone's entitled to their own thoughts and opinions as long as they don't use them as justification to harm people, in my opinion.
The Italian brings a valid argument.
I don't think there's any question.
But, on the subject of women, that attitude hasn't prevented progress, simply made it extremely difficult and long-winded.
I get the feeling that I better start stocking up on Confederate flags.
*shrug* All I'm telling you is what I've seen in Canada.
True enough.
Precisely my point.
We're now a more thoroughly fetid hive of scum and villainy.
I wonder how Da'esh is feeling about their recruitment figures.
Does someone from a nation that democratically elected Berlusconi really have a right to mock any nation in general?
Well, yeah. That's basically what I said. Of course progress with LGBT rights doesn't come to a complete standstill, but since everyone thinks that everything's all hunky-dory now, it's going to take a sh!tload of time and effort to win the rest of the social and legal battles.
"Better than Ankh Mauta, at least".
I don't know. You Rebs elected Davis, is all I'm saying.
*says the trans lesbian Republican fascist*
:P
Being able to get married seems kind of a minor victory compared to everything else LGBT people go through in the US. But you know that a lot of people just aren't going to get that.
Certainly.
Welcome to the age of pessimism, friends! Here the closest thing you have to an ally is the postmodernist ironic douchebag, and I'm only here because I think it's funny to laugh at people in power.
To be fair, Berlusconi is the Mussolini to Putin's Stalin.
One is adorably wacky and a bit incompetent, while being somewhat of a menace.
The other is Putler.
By virtue of not being West Virginian, yes.
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