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Capitalist Producers wrote:I'm good with getting them out of there. But Obama says we cannot pick and choose based on religion. To be completely honest, I have to give the Devil is due. Constitutionally speaking, the President is probably right about that one.

Technically the christians can be considered an ethnic group and can be picked and choose based on that.

Drasnia wrote:Because all the safe zones were taken by American universities.

Gosh darn it! I hope I didn't create any microagressions! #privilegecheck XD

Drasnia and Pinrut

Oh the irony... Ha ha...

Hello all :)

Welcome!

UNDelegate wrote:Welcome!

LOL. Far too late I realized I was logged-in with my WA puppet.

Orlogtun wrote:I am unsure where you were in Winnipeg and Edmonton that you found yourself adrift in a Muslim sea

Soccer stadiums and travel to and from the stadiums from the downtown areas.

Orlogtun wrote:I'm pretty certain you're aware of the difference between Sikhs and Muslims.

I am indeed. I am also aware of the ISIS flag, two of which were flying prominently over merchants in Edmonton.

Ulmer wrote:But what about respecting other people's religions? It's easier and more reasonable. Let be indifferent and let people live their personal lives since they contribute to the economy and society as a whole.

In this country there is an absolute right of free speech. Over the years the courts ruled and the Supreme Court affirmed that art is a form of free speech. (Therein lies the pronography loophole.) While sometimes offensive, that is one of the penalties of having a free society.

Face it. In this nation there are some people that wouldn't respect an oncoming train while standing between the rails. That is also their right.

Sven and oles wrote:Technically the christians can be considered an ethnic group and can be picked and choose based on that.

I'm not seeing that. Can you explain your logic?

The-CID wrote:LOL. Far too late I realized I was logged-in with my WA puppet.

That's ok. It counts.

Also welcome.

Go away progressives

Over which merchants? Did you snap a photo & send it to the RCMP?

People, if you witness anything like this it is your duty to follow up with the authorities. Islamic State is still a criminal organisation.

Freedom and liberty isles

Capitalist Producers wrote:Soccer stadiums and travel to and from the stadiums from the downtown areas.
I'm not seeing that. Can you explain your logic?

The Middle Eastern Christians are considered part of the Levantine ethnic group. You can specifically take in specific ethnic groups under the US Constituions, but not specific religions. So if you instead of saving Middle Eastern Christians you save the Levantines you aren't technically going against the US constitution, but are achieving the same results

Hello, capitalist fellows!

Sven and oles wrote:The Middle Eastern Christians are considered part of the Levantine ethnic group. You can specifically take in specific ethnic groups under the US Constituions, but not specific religions. So if you instead of saving Middle Eastern Christians you save the Levantines you aren't technically going against the US constitution, but are achieving the same results

That doesn't make such selective and potentially discriminatory policy any less detestable.

Bruntilia

Orlogtun wrote:Over which merchants? Did you snap a photo & send it to the RCMP?
People, if you witness anything like this it is your duty to follow up with the authorities. Islamic State is still a criminal organisation.

Waoh, easy there big guy. I did not snap a picture or call the cops. That is not my duty.

I am not a Canadian citizen so I am unfamiliar with Canadian law. Is flying an ISIS flag illegal up there? While it might get your ass kicked and your store burned in the US, it is not against the law here. In fact, flying any flag you want is almost certainly one of those constitutionally protected acts of free speech. So it never crossed my mind that might be illegal in Canada.

Laissez-Faire Economics wrote:That doesn't make such selective and potentially discriminatory policy any less detestable.

Nothing detestable about it. If we were not playing these stunningly ignorant no profiling games, that would be a a really great standard for acceptability. Take in the Christians that can demonstrate they are practicing Christians. Last I heard Christians were not flying airplanes into buildings or sending people into crowded market places wearing bombs. Muslims cannot make that statement.

Brokvolk, Go away progressives, and Sven and oles

Go away progressives

Capitalist Producers wrote:Soccer stadiums and travel to and from the stadiums from the downtown areas.
I am indeed. I am also aware of the ISIS flag, two of which were flying prominently over merchants in Edmonton.
In this country there is an absolute right of free speech. Over the years the courts ruled and the Supreme Court affirmed that art is a form of free speech. (Therein lies the pronography loophole.) While sometimes offensive, that is one of the penalties of having a free society.
Face it. In this nation there are some people that wouldn't respect an oncoming train while standing between the rails. That is also their right.
I'm not seeing that. Can you explain your logic?
That's ok. It counts.
Also welcome.

The transformation of parts of Canada (even of parts of Alberta) is astonishing.

The Progressive Conservatives have some of the blame - they thought that they could make friends with the influx (and so let them in), but it did not turn out that way.

The child who is now Prime Minister of Canada is one result (the influx voted for his party) - although the future will be much worse, if things carry on going as they are.

Canada (outside of Quebec) was a nation created by Scots (not the sort of Scot one finds in Scotland now - but rather the sort that left Scotland in the Victorian Age) - explorers, engineers and so on. But one would not know that to judge by what the Canadian education system teaches and what the "cultural" museums show.

The massive brainwashing rewrite of history was started by the present Prime Minister's father - he spent a fortune teaching Canadians a false view of their own history and creating a new culture.

Loyalist Toronto with its massed pipe bands and Union Flags ("Union Jacks" if you must) is just a memory now. I believe the new flag was a "Progressive Conservative" thing to - perhaps that was the start of the rewrite of history of Canada (before P.T. even came along).

But, sadly, it will get a lot worse - and the French in Quebec will not be left alone (they have their own immigration problem).

The demands for ever more welfare will be part of it - but there will be demands to change the culture also (no more freedom to mock Mohammed and so on).

No sneering at Canada please - as these are general problems for all major Western nations. Turning their backs on their historic identity and so on.

"Free migration" is all very well in libertarian theory - in anarcho capitalist theory.

But in the real world opening the gates to enemies means death.

And being killed (or enslaved) rather violates the "Non Aggression Principle".

Go away progressives

As for the Syrian "refugees" - Muslims from Syria have lots of choices.

Jordan, Turkey - and on and on.

A Christian Syrian could go to the Christian parts of Lebanon. Although, alas, Christians control much less of Lebanon than they used to (demography has shifted against them over the decades - and "demography is destiny" as the French used to say).

As for Europe - I would guess that only about 1% of the Syrians turning up in Europe is Christian.

They are not "refugees" - they have no reason to leave Turkey (which they must have gone through from Syria to reach Europe).

Whether they come to wage jihad or just to claim more welfare benefits - they are NOT welcome in European nations.

At lest not welcomed by most ordinary people - the "liberal" elite is a different matter.

As for anarcho capitalism - or whatever.

Well I am not an anarchist - but it is hard to see why even anarcho capitalist types would want open gates to the forces of Islam.

Forget about Freedom of Speech (and so on) if these forces gain in numbers and strength.

Go away progressives

By the way - I sometimes wonder when the People's Republic of China will start to say that British Columbia was "always part of China".

They are highly intelligent and inventive people - who are busy rewriting history in relation to large areas of the Pacific.

With demographic change it is only a matter of time before they start rewriting the history of the west coast of Canada - to argue that it was traditionally part of China and should be "returned" to China.

Impossible?

Do not underestimate their intelligence or creativity.

I suppose it partly depends on whether the new people in B.C. really feel loyal the Queen and so on.

But that sort of thing has been downplayed in Canada for a long time now.

Americans found in the war of 1812 that Canadians (even ones born in the United States) really were prepared to "die for the King" - this came as something of a shock (as Americans had sincerely expected to be greeted as liberators).

The Canadians in both World Wars and in Korea were the same - rather more effective that the British army actually from Britain (for example Arthur Currie was a vastly better general than Douglas Haig in the First World War - even if his "fingers had been a bit sticky" with regimental funds before the war, and he did pay that money back).

Canadian soldiers and officers were the most effective part of the Empire. Just as tough as the Australians (who everyone remembers) - but more thoughtful.

But later Canada started to change - the tough ultra loyalist Canada went away (or was betrayed and subverted).

Dying for the King or dying for the Queen is a bit different from "dying for the welfare payment".

I do not expect many Canadians to be prepared to die screaming "long live the welfare payment".

The "new identity" (in the United States and Britain as well - not just Canada) will not stand up in hard times.

When times get tough (when it is a matter of killing and dying) a "national identity" based on welfare payments and "multi culturalism" is not worth much - people are not going to die for it.

So whether it is the forces of Islam or the forces of the People's Republic of China - new powers are going, in the long term, to take over the natural resources of North America (and so on).

As for Europe - the "liberal" elite is selling out European nations to the forces of Islam.

It is sad - but history is about change, civilisations rise and fall.

And European civilisation is no exception to this.

Brokvolk

Post self-deleted by Andrilicon.

Go away progressives wrote:By the way - I sometimes wonder when the People's Republic of China will start to say that British Columbia was "always part of China".

There is a very large Asian population in Vancouver. Is that China's claim on the matter?

Go away progressives wrote:Dying for the King or dying for the Queen is a bit different from "dying for the welfare payment".
I do not expect many Canadians to be prepared to die screaming "long live the welfare payment".

Maybe. Vancouver also has an undeniably large homeless population. However, the homeless are noticeably not Asian.

Capitalist Producers wrote:Nothing detestable about it. If we were not playing these stunningly ignorant no profiling games, that would be a a really great standard for acceptability.

If we weren't so lazy as to assume that all Christians are victims and all Muslims are terrorists, we could cut the double standard.

Capitalist Producers wrote:Take in the Christians that can demonstrate they are practicing Christians. Last I heard Christians were not flying airplanes into buildings or sending people into crowded market places wearing bombs. Muslims cannot make that statement.

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/religion/christian-terror-12-examples-of-terrorism-from-the-right/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/15/yes-there-are-christian-terrorists.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Bruntilia

Hows it going all, just got in here.

Also, a controversial poll would make the place have a sour discussion.

Laissez-Faire Economics wrote:If we weren't so lazy as to assume that all Christians are victims and all Muslims are terrorists, we could cut the double standard.
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/religion/christian-terror-12-examples-of-terrorism-from-the-right/

Uh, since when were the Modern Olympics held in odd numbered years. Also, how does the IRS building attack have anything to do with religion? Most of those examples aren't terrorism. They are really stretching, of course since they can't even get the year right in which the Olympics in Atlanta were held, it's not surprising they categorize any of these as terrorism.

Oobleck wrote:Uh, since when were the Modern Olympics held in odd numbered years. Also, how does the IRS building attack have anything to do with religion? Most of those examples aren't terrorism. They are really stretching, of course since they can't even get the year right in which the Olympics in Atlanta were held, it's not surprising they categorize any of these as terrorism.

And since I didn't get all the way to end of the list, the OKC bombing was not religiously motivated at all.

Bretlandi wrote:Also, a controversial poll would make the place have a sour discussion.

Define "sour discussion."

Laissez-Faire Economics wrote:If we weren't so lazy as to assume that all Christians are victims and all Muslims are terrorists, we could cut the double standard.

There is no double standard here. See the Islamic Terrorist Scoreboard linked below.

Laissez-Faire Economics wrote:

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/religion/christian-terror-12-examples-of-terrorism-from-the-right/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/15/yes-there-are-christian-terrorists.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

ROFL!!! Is that the best you can do? Let's see now...

"If only you knew" and "the daily beast" are on the same level as comic books when it comes to facts. So let us not waste time on them. As a rule Wikipedia is a good place to find sources to dig for facts.

However, in this case I'll see your wiki entry and raise you a wiki entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

Even if we throw in the fun and games between Irish Catholics and Protestants, violence done by groups organized under a Christian banner don't even achieve amateur standing in comparison.

The biggest thing you are missing here is the Islamic religion has some very Old Testiment problem solving built into their theology. The difference is that while modern Christians pretty much got over the whole stoning adulterous women thing, a fairly large portion of Muslims still interpret many of those passages in their religious teachings as a license to kill.

Sven and oles

Why is everyone so quiet?

Oobleck wrote:Why is everyone so quiet?

I would assume because it's Thanksgiving week and most people are probably already busy with visiting family, traveling, and such.

Capitalist Producers wrote:Waoh, easy there big guy. I did not snap a picture or call the cops. That is not my duty.

I am not a Canadian citizen so I am unfamiliar with Canadian law. Is flying an ISIS flag illegal up there? While it might get your ass kicked and your store burned in the US, it is not against the law here. In fact, flying any flag you want is almost certainly one of those constitutionally protected acts of free speech. So it never crossed my mind that might be illegal in Canada.

....

You don't have to call the police. Islamic State is listed as a terrorist organisation in Canada and visitors should become familiar with our laws: http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-eng.aspx

There is a strong likelihood the authorities would be interested (as am I) over individual merchants who feature the banner of a terrorist organisation over their stores. It would be front page news in either Winnipeg or Edmonton. Here's a report about the real situation in Edmonton:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/beaumont-teen-accused-of-trying-to-join-isis-to-be-released-on-bail-1.3322130

Here's the bill setting the punishment for the crime of which he is accused: http://www.parl.gc.ca/About/Parliament/LegislativeSummaries/bills_ls.asp?ls=S7&Parl=41&Ses=1#a9

It prohibits individuals from leaving or attempting to leave Canada, or boarding or attempting to board a conveyance with the intent to leave Canada, for the purpose of committing an act or omission outside of Canada that is equivalent to the participation offence described in section 83.18 of the Code. Section 83.181 is an indictable offence punishable upon conviction by up to 10 years’ imprisonment.

This is a public service for those visiting Canada yet unfamiliar with our laws.

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