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WA Delegate: The Grand Duchy of Acario (elected 241 days ago)

Founder: The Capitalist Alliance of The-CID

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Welcome to Capitalist Paradise! Founded on May 2003, this is a friendly and secure region with exceptionally strong economies, high civil rights and political freedoms. We welcome nations of all categories.

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Minister of Foreign Affairs: The United Oman
Minister of Interior: Armus Republic

President of the Legislature: LadyFasterkittens

Arbiter General: Northern Borland
Supreme Court Chief Justice: Panageadom
Justice: Repentant Jihadi
Justice: Capitalist Producers
Alt. Justice: Nation of Quebec

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Capitalist Paradise contains 465 nations, the 20th most in the world.

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1.The Allied Corporate Empire of Northern BorlandCapitalizt“A Good Place to Raise Your Business”
2.The Nak Nakian Colony of The knight who says NICorporate Police State“Power to the people!!All hail Nak Nak!!”
3.The Infection of EdgemasterWA MemberCompulsory Consumerist State“KICK LOGIC OUT AND DO THE IMPOSSIBLE!!”
4.The Armed Corporations of Aurora IslandsWA MemberCapitalist Paradise“If you have money, nothing is impossible!”
5.The Dictatorship of MDRunieWA MemberCorporate Bordello“MDR never fails if he fails we deny it ”
6.The Free Secular Federation of Nation of QuebecNew York Times Democracy“In Freedom We Trust”
7.The Benevolent Dictatorship of CanterburieWA MemberCorporate Bordello“In God We Trust”
8.The Dictatorship of JimMorrisonWA MemberCompulsory Consumerist State“Libertatem Per Fortitudo”
9.The Capitalist Alliance of The-CIDCapitalist Paradise“Justice Above All”
10.The Protectorate of Corporate PersonhoodCompulsory Consumerist State“Corporations are People”
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The United Kingdom of Imperium Anglorum wrote:Which is still less than the expense of imprisonment. I don't feel that my tax money should be used to pursue a method of action multiple Parliamentary reports have found to be self-destructive to the nation's finances, especially when the state is running such a high deficit. There's a nice Guardian article I read a few months ago about the subject (ah, found it) -> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/01/ministers-war-on-drugs-policy-british

You quoted an editorial piece (also known as an opinion piece) to back your position. I am not interested in another opinion, I have plenty of my own. Verifiable facts and figures work a lot better.

Putting that error aside for the moment, you are comparing apples and oranges. Great Britain has a national health system that covers things like drug addiction and rehab. So far the United States managed to avoid that plague.

Personally, I really do not give two hoots over what someone else puts in their body. It is none of my business and none of anyone else's business. But that status exists right up to the point that substance in their body (or lack of that substance) begins to effect the rest of us. At that point it becomes everyone's business.

But another thought comes to mind. Are you suggesting that when a drug user is caught with his gun out, knocking over a liquor store that user should be sent to rehab instead of jail? Tell me you are not suggesting that the penalty for a criminal act like robbery, assault, theft, burglary, etc should be mitigated in anyway by whether or not the perpetrator was high or going through withdrawal.

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The Minister of Bad Behavior of Capitalist Producers wrote:You quoted an editorial piece (also known as an opinion piece) to back your position.


See what the article cites:

Firstly, http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/30/punitive-drug-laws-are-failing-study on the effectiveness of punitive drug legislation, and secondly, http://www.theguardian.com/society/2009/apr/07/drugs-policy-legalisation-report on the benefits of legalisation

The Minister of Bad Behavior of Capitalist Producers wrote:But another thought comes to mind. Are you suggesting that when a drug user is caught with his gun out, knocking over a liquor store that user should be sent to rehab instead of jail? Tell me you are not suggesting that the penalty for a criminal act like robbery, assault, theft, burglary, etc should be mitigated in anyway by whether or not the perpetrator was high or going through withdrawal.


The United Kingdom of Imperium Anglorum wrote:for consumption of drugs, treatment programmes are much less expensive to the state


Did I ever say that? Did I ever imply that robberies should be unpunished? I've always been advocating for reform regarding the consumption of drugs (which is why I quoted myself above) and simply, I don't feel that a larger governmental apparatus using ever-greater public funds should be built to imprison nonviolent offenders rather than treat them for what the Home Office and multiple think tanks, even in the Americas, has found to be a medical rather than law-enforcement issue.

The United Kingdom of Imperium Anglorum wrote:Firstly, http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/30/punitive-drug-laws-are-failing-study on the effectiveness of punitive drug legislation, and secondly, http://www.theguardian.com/society/2009/apr/07/drugs-policy-legalisation-report on the benefits of legalisation

That's better. I stopped reading when I figured out someone was going to tell me what to think. But you are still missing the point. The authors of the repoprt sure did. Hard drug users commit lots of crimes to support their habits. There was no reference or projection of the cost of these crimes to the victims. Nor did they discuss the cost of prosecuting and punishing addicts committing crimes to support their now legal habit.

The only time a drug user needing treatment is going to come to the attention of the authorities is after they crash their car, get caught stealing, kill someone during a robbery, etc, etc, etc. By that time it is also a criminal matter. So doing it your way we still have to pay for putting them through the criminal system, pay for punishment and then add the cost of rehab to that price tag.

There is no way that is a cost saving move. (Sounds a little like Obama telling us what a swell deal Obamacare was going to be.)

I still do not see why we taxpayers should pick up the tab of someone's bad choice. Where is the personal responsibility on the person that screwed up? I really need to hear why the taxpayers need to be picking up the tab on any medical bills resulting from incredibly bad personal decisions.

The United Kingdom of Imperium Anglorum wrote:I've always been advocating for reform regarding the consumption of drugs (which is why I quoted myself above) and simply, I don't feel that a larger governmental apparatus using ever-greater public funds should be built to imprison nonviolent offenders rather than treat them for what the Home Office and multiple think tanks, even in the Americas, has found to be a medical rather than law-enforcement issue.

Ok, so we have drug addicted people committing crimes to support their habit. First you say those people need to do the time for their crime. But then, in the same paragraph you tell us drug offenders need to be dealt with as a medical problem. You cannot have it both ways.

Perhaps you are referring only to people that have not been caught breaking the law[1] (yet)? Should offenders who's only offense is simple possession be taken straight to rehab? Is this a voluntary ride or is this like a mental hold?

If that is the case, I am not seeing a lot of deterrence factor here.

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[1] Other then simple possession and/or use laws.

The faith that some Americans have in the British National Health Service is astonishing. The United States also has government hospitals - the county hospitals and so on. Why do you assume that British government hospitals are any better? Whether it is drug addiction treatment or anything else the "NHS" is not the place to go. As for the United States - after years of getting better drug abuse has got worse in recent years, like the decline in the fertility rate, it is a sign in the collapse of hope - people think the future is going to bad (very bad) and they are correct.

Foreign Invasion Force Takes On Small Farming Community
LEGISLATION PENDING
The Issue

Taking advantage of your limited military capacity, the remote nation of Wezeltonia has invaded one of your distant overseas territories, the Bald Eagle Isles. They claim sovereignty over the islands, despite The United States Personified's colonialists having lived there for generations. An emergency meeting has been convened to discuss the matter.

The Debate

"We should never have allowed our military to become this pathetic," sighs Anne-Marie Barnes, your only Military Advisor. "It's an open invitation for invasions. If we're going to protect our shores against this enemy we need a show of strength - gather what resources we have and send them to protect the Bald Eagle Isles. Time is of the essence!"

This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.

"I was never trained for this!" wails Private Buy Hanover, knock-kneed and rosy-cheeked. "If we go to full scale war with Wezeltonia we're sure to lose, I just know it! Couldn't we try, uh, 'dip-low-mah-tic relations'? A little talk over tea and biscuits goes a long way! Then no one will need to go to w-w-war. Ahem. War."

Accept

"Let's not let national pride blind us to the facts," argues Sophie Steele, an amateur historian. "I mean, those islands are practically next door to Wezeltonia, it's not unreasonable to assume they might want to claim them. Where's the benefit in wasting billions of Dollars on protecting a handful of colonials anyway? There's nothing there but grass, mud, and Bald Eagle farms."

Accept

"Those 'colonials' are proud, legal citizens of the Epitome of The United States Personified, moron," says William Han, fully bedecked in a suit fashioned after the national flag. "And they deserve to be protected! A slight against one of us is a slight against all of us! We've gotta show those Wezeltonians we mean business! If you take over the factories, institute an emergency draft, and get as many battleships and fighter jets out there as possible then we might stand a chance! No expense is too costly for the lives of The United States Personified's sons and daughters!"

Accept

The Government Position

The government has indicated its intention to follow the recommendations of Option 1.

Dismiss This Issue

My first chance to choose the head first early American trait in war. Charge ahead with an ill prepared army!

So Spain now has a law on the books to charge search engines and aggregation sites for the use of snippets from news articles. The law has no way for journalism companies to opt out of the charges. The aggregation site Google News shuts down its service stating that there are no advertisements on the site and therefore Google makes no revenue from the use of the snippets; they closed a loosing venture. Once closed a double digit drop in article traffic was observed:

https://gigaom.com/2014/12/16/traffic-to-spanish-news-publishers-plummets-after-google-move/

Now Spain is considering the development of a law to force companies to keep their aggregation sites running so that news site can implement the charges:

http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/15/force-google-news-to-stay-in-spain-newsp

I guess the next logical step is to keep the site running and turn off the aggregation algorithm so that nothing is displayed on the site. This story is kind of ridiculous.

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