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Capitalist Paradise Regional Message Board

The Minister of Bad Behavior of Capitalist Producers wrote:Oh for the love of...
So because this guy is in Idaho and made some bizarre posts, how does that make him anymore wacky then the people pushing Al Gore's Church of Global Warming on us? In my book they are both equally credible. But rather than stoop to the liberal method of argument, attacking the messenger, why don't you attack the message. Since you are so big on references, lets see some. Show us some proof that Messrs Harris and Mann's graph is not accurate.
While you are digging for that, let me introduce Don J. Easterbrook, Professor Emeritus of Geology at Western Washington University. This man is the only climate scientist that absolutely nailed the future of the climate when he used the effect of the oceans to predict the planet is entering a cooling phase.[1] He nailed it 20 years ago. His predictions and the climate are all in the books now.
In fact, he not only called it, the Church of Global Warming™ had to change their name to Climate Change™ because the climate was making them look pretty silly.
In his article for Global Research, Dr. Easterbrook provides several graphs verifying the graphs on the page you found objectionable.[2] He further goes on to explain how the effects of greenhouse gasses on the atmosphere are almost negligible compared to the effects of the ocean. (That would be the model that he used to accurately predict the cooling that put lie to the Global Warming crowd.)
In 2006 Dr. Easterbook gave a peer reviewed presentation at The Geological Society of America meeting in Philadelphia. In that presentation he demonstrates the effects of the oceans on the atmosphere. In that presentation you will also find data and graphs that back up the original link.[3]
If that is not enough for you, there are these German scientists that have been studying past temperature trends.[4] On page 180 (upper left corner) you will find that the temperature spike in the 1240's is not only verified, but it appears this research has the temperature as higher than the original link.
Then we have Wikipedia. This article tells us that over the last 500 million years the planet's temperature has ranged from 14C over the 1960-1990 average[5] to 10C under that number.[6] One cannot help but wonder if the planet is anywhere near finished changing. Clearly, man's influence on that climate is negligible. My guess is that it cannot be measured on a global basis.
From your mouth to God's ears. If I were in that position, NASA would be out of the Climate Change Fertilizer™ business. This crap about cooking the numbers to fit the narrative would end right then, right there, on the spot.[7][8][9] I would fire so many people.
Heck, NASA can't even agree among their own departments on this matter. We have GISS cooking the books to make it look hotter while at the same time Operation IceBridge is telling us the poles are cooling off and the ice pack is growing.[10]
This is what happens when science is bent by politics. I can show you the real driving force behind the greenhouse gas based, anti-carbon climate change movement. This is real easy. The colleges and universities pushing this fraud have millions in emissions patents rising on the continuation of the fraud.[11]
Don't take my word for it. Thumb through those Google search pages until you are convinced.
Were I to attain some status in the climate research field, I would work to make sure that any organization holding one or more of these patents, or even remotely related to an organization with that kind of skin in the game have all their research peer reviewed and their data and collection methods audited by actual climate scientists with no vested interest in the game. And new research from those with something to gain or protect? Forget it. Not even if it slits their own financial throats.
Until that time, we have the fox guarding the chicken coop.
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[1] http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/climate-scientist-who-got-it-right-predicts-20-more-years-global
[2] http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783
[3] https://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2006AM/finalprogram/abstract_108164.htm - You have to click the link to the presentation handouts.
[4] http://epic.awi.de/39643/1/cp-12-171-2016.pdf#sthash.oaDTLxgJ.gbszRdPV.dpuf
[5] I cannot help but wonder who decided that the 1960-1990 average is the gold standard for temperatures...
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record#Overall_view
[7] http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/24/german-professor-nasa-fiddled-climate-data-unbelievable-scale/
[8] http://principia-scientific.org/nasa-exposed-in-massive-new-climate-data-fraud/
[9] http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/19930-nasa-s-own-data-refutes-2014-warmest-on-record-claim
[10] http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/622043/GLOBAL-WARMING-NASA-Antarctic-COOLING-six-years-Arctic-north-pole-climate-change
[11] https://www.google.com/search?q=greenhouse+gas+emissions+patents+by+univeristy


Bit busy at the mo but will be on later and address in full, but for now will just pull apart your sources. And by the way, if a guy cites biblical prophesy, works for a small weather station in Idaho, and generally has absolutely no academic research or citation to his name, yes, he is a terrible source of climatology information.

[1] Really? A conservative media network? Very scientific source you have there, totally neutral and unbiased, why not use fox news while you are at it?

[2] I googled globalresearch.ca, and the literal first thing on their page was and I quote: "Nuclear war with Russia possible in next year". Now, who is it you were calling an "alarmist" again? They also say that the U.S did 9/11 among other things. Again, sounds very reliable.

[3] Hmmmmm..... Seems the geological society of America agrees that climate change is happening and is as a result of increased CO2 in the atmosphere. http://www.geosociety.org/positions/position10.htm (If only you had done actual research instead of cherry picking a single presentation from one guy in 2006)

[4] If you had bothered to read the conclusion of the paper you cited, you will notice it suggests nothing of the sort. I am beginning to suspect you just googled "proof climate change is a hoax" and pasted some of the results without bothering to check them.

[5] Citing yourself is just making you look like a victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[6] If you had bothered to actually scroll down the page you would see a graph which shows the last few 100s of thousands of years of relatively constant temperatures, and a sudden and bizarre spike right about the time of widespread industrialisation. Funny that... Almost as if they are connected somehow...

[7] Breitbart? Fking breitbart? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yes, they sure are a go-to source of scientific data.

[8] Principia scientific.org are a group that is known for unfounded fringe cr@p. Again, you are quoting conspiracy theory groups or groups with a clear agenda, not actual science organisations or even relatively trustworthy media. (if that even exists)

[9] So NASA jumps the gun, and that's proof that they are behind a global conspiracy? Again, what are you citing here? Peer reviewed papers and raw data, or media outlets?

[10] Six years? That's like taking the stock market data for the past month, and if it is down on the previous month, declaring a worldwide financial crisis. Six years is a damn tiny timeframe. And again, Daily Express? Very scientific.

[11] Yes, the renewable energy industry is a big financial bully, and oil companies and heavy industry are the tiny underdogs just trying to scrape by. There is a lot more money to be made out of fossil fuels than renewable energy. That's why big polluters fund politicians who deny climate science.

Nation of Quebec

If humans are the cause of Global Warming by belching CO2 into the atmosphere then why was it...
A) much warmer during numerous periods during Earth's than it is now, be
B) that there were higher concentrations of CO2 at various points as well.

Those darn Silurian, Devonian, and Carbiniferous industrial civilizations!

Capitalist Producers

..and by various points I mean throughout almost the entire history of Earth.

You know what else is a tiny time frame? 150 years out of 600 million years.

Capitalist Producers

The Paisley States of Oobleck wrote:If humans are the cause of Global Warming by belching CO2 into the atmosphere then why was it...
A) much warmer during numerous periods during Earth's than it is now, be
B) that there were higher concentrations of CO2 at various points as well.
Those darn Silurian, Devonian, and Carbiniferous industrial civilizations!

The Paisley States of Oobleck wrote:..and by various points I mean throughout almost the entire history of Earth.
You know what else is a tiny time frame? 150 years out of 600 million years.

The very idea that a century of human industrialization is equivalent to natural climate forces is indeed rediculous.
It goes against basic physics, being that you have to at least present equal force to affect a force. Climatology to date still has not wholly quantified the total energy output of the natural climate. The atmosphere churns immense energy, and you know what wrecked it over North America more than 80 years of US industry could ever hope to do? Mount Saint Helens 1980.
This played an important part of research during the ozone scare of the 80s when we busted computer modelers for leaving out the effects of events like volcanoes so they could exagerate anthropomorphic damage.
Helen punched a hole in the ozone layer no amount of CFC emission could ever hope to equal. And guess what? The ozone regenerated.

Computer modeling in climate research is the marrow of the hoax. Teams of non accredited lobbyists chaperoned by a neohippie with a degree in basket weaving who minored in math take political narratives and edit data to support it.
Like an equation formulated from a word problem, if you get it wrong, it still self-tests true. It takes an outside observer to see the faults, and almost every one that pipes up gets chased out with torches and pitchforks.

In an environment where credential counts more than character, and people literally sell their souls, mothers, or children to attain grants and maintain tenure, modern western academia is wholly politicized and untrustworthy in almost every field.

Capitalist Producers

The Unstoppable Force of Kainesia wrote:Bit busy at the mo but will be on later and address in full, but for now will just pull apart your sources. And by the way, if a guy cites biblical prophesy, works for a small weather station in Idaho, and generally has absolutely no academic research or citation to his name, yes, he is a terrible source of climatology information.

But yet you offer nothing that actually challenges the numbers from the "terrible source." So far the only thing terrible about it that I can see is it offends your stunningly ignorant and remarkably elitist views on what some people refer to as "flyover country."

You remind me of a few of the people I have the misfortune to put on TV from time to time. They were born in New York, raised in New York, went to school and college in New York and then went to work in New York, eventually making it to the big national networks. They've never set foot in a Wal-Mart, never spent any meaningful time in a town with a population of less than 300,000 located anywhere outside the rich folks playgrounds on the East coast. They are loathe to even interact with the very people they are covering in what ever story they were sent out of their comfort zone to cover. They delegate that duty to producers and associate producers. They fly in, do the stand up so everyone can see they were there and fly out as quickly as possible, foregoing even food lest they have to actually converse with one of the locals.

You sound just like them. Bet you get some of your news from them too.

The Unstoppable Force of Kainesia wrote:[1] Really? A conservative media network? Very scientific source you have there, totally neutral and unbiased, why not use fox news while you are at it?

So what? It isn't like I quoted The Daily Kos or Occupy Something. I didn't quote Fox News because I didn't see the use in knocking out you out with an overdose of truth. I need you awake for this.

Now then, if you were to run your elitist fingers over your keyboard, directing your browser to Google, you would find that Dr. Easterbrook's peer reviewed papers from over 20 years ago did indeed accurately predict the cooling this planet experienced up until now. The way things are lining up, his predictions are going to continue to hold true for the foreseeable future.

As for all the rest of your link slamming... again with the attacking the messenger. Is that all you got?

The Unstoppable Force of Kainesia wrote:[5] Citing yourself is just making you look like a victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I find that I am the most accurate source I know. You should pay attention when I write, you might learn something.

Ok, seriously here. Did you read that? The footnote was a question about who decided that the Earth normal gold standard temperature is the one derived from the 1960-1990 average. And the question still stands. This planet's average temperatures are scattered over a range of 24C over the last 500 million years. Who decided that our current comfort zone is where the planet belongs?

The Unstoppable Force of Kainesia wrote:[11] Yes, the renewable energy industry is a big financial bully, and oil companies and heavy industry are the tiny underdogs just trying to scrape by. There is a lot more money to be made out of fossil fuels than renewable energy. That's why big polluters fund politicians who deny climate science.

Is that what you got out of that? You are a true believer, aren't you?

Let us put the ball in your court. Can you explain why you do not see any conflict with institutions proclaiming man made climate change as an imminent danger to the planet while holding billions of dollars in emissions patents.[All links below]

Please note that all these universities engage in climate research. Oddly enough, all these universities have research proving climate change is a result of industrial emissions. Surprise, surprise!

Now then lets put this in terms you can understand. A fairly significant portion of your income stream depends on industrial emissions and auto emissions patents. Are you going to release any data or study that will compromise that income stream?

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http://research.ua.edu/2015/03/scrubbing-co2-a-patented-alternative-for-capturing-emissions/
https://newscenter.nmsu.edu/Articles/view/10964/nmsu-researcher-s-patented-tech-could-significantly-cut-co2-emissions
http://phys.org/news/2013-08-professor-granted-patent-carbon-capture.html
http://discover.umn.edu/news/environment/university-minnesota-startup-offers-game-changing-energy-solutions-reduce-co2
http://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/downloads/academic/DavidBonilla_Innovation.pdf
http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/research/2010/100125ShaverBiodiesel.html
http://lib.dr.iastate.edu/patents/165/
http://www.cmu.edu/homepage/global/2007/winter/controlling-carbon-emissions.shtml
http://www.lehigh.edu/~inenr/research/patents.html

Isn't the irony delicious?
Radical environmentalists do not see humanity as part of the natural biosphere, likening us to some alien invader with an exagerated ability to nullify physics.
Yet, conversely, their means tests for the "optimal" conditions they draft, is our comfort levels. Like the evolutionary destinies of the planet and us must be synchronous.
The fact of the matter is that we can affect the environment but very temporarily.
Abandon any major city, and nature will reclaim it within a century.
Let off the entire nuclear arsenal, and you get a really big wet sticky fart that makes makes you very uncomfortable, but open a window, and in several millenia, no one would know about your Taco Bell malfunction. Sure, you will not be around, but that is not really a concern for the geological timeline.

Capitalist Producers

Hey guys, are you interested in writing issues or editing them? I've begun posting links to all CP residents' issue drafts currently needing editing on our forum at http://capitalistparadise.com/forums/threads/current-cp-issue-drafts-5-26-2016.6743/

If you want help writing and editing an issue, several of us (myself included) would be more than willing to help out. Let's make CP the Mecca of issue authoring that we used to be.

Nation of Quebec and Capitalist Producers

The International Spydom of Drasnia wrote:Hey guys, are you interested in writing issues or editing them? I've begun posting links to all CP residents' issue drafts currently needing editing on our forum at http://capitalistparadise.com/forums/threads/current-cp-issue-drafts-5-26-2016.6743/

Good job. I like them both.

I'm tired of these environmental groups who really care about keeping there only habitat clean.
I sick of earth day I can't understand there logic.
Think about it we only been not that long, and we only have been in heavy industry for 200years we didn't kill them all.
The logic part well we can't take care of our selves we can't work togather well unless it group of people with same agenda, but even then we still can't work well but we supposed save the planet??????
That is ignorant idea, and a way for man trying to control nature or play God which is what our us in the situation in the first place nobody seems to learn when you play God it will hilariously and epically back fires.
Ex
Ohio had once had Turkey population that was over populated. Instead of allow hunters to take care of it by extending the season they increase coyotes by bringing them in, and breading them.
Which decreases Turkey, but made over populated coyotes and now there always open season.
Another one
Was Ohio
Sharian woods had over populated deer were there all food and were walking up to humans begging for food, and antlers were bad, and they were sick.
They decided to relocate all of the deer instead of allow hunters to take care of it and it waisted money and the deer died during the transition.

Capitalist Producers

It is the difference between knowledge and knowing.
Leftists are very good at amassing knowledge, but lack applied experience that allows you know how versus just knowing about.

That is why government cannot problem solve very well. Oh sure, DC is rife with bureaucrats with degrees in this and that, but went straight from academia to a public sector not subject to zero sum accounting. They just continue theorizing with an imaginary unlimited budget, never having to balance a book and make a payroll. You would do just as well to populate the various departments with these NS kids still living vicariously through their textbooks.

Its a liberal meme really. Notice how on the forums you cannot state 2+2=4 without sourcing a math text. Digging up facts coupled with subjective ethics and worldview allows liberals to make anything they propose make sense. At least to themselves.

Meanwhile, since the human condition requires objectifying some things to establish firm psychological ground, the left is going to wake up one day drowning in a bog of their own making.
The mind can only tolerate so much subjectivity before it sanity begins to break down. Why do you think post transitioned transexuals suffer a 20% higher suicide rate. They did not find themselves, they lost themselves, and as the years pass, the civil war in their head takes its toll. You cannot escape your own subconscious, and if nothing else will, it will make you face the music, or break you.

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