WA Delegate: The Evil Scarlet Youkai of DWAsnia (elected 153 days ago)
Founder: The Capitalist Alliance of The-CID
Embassies: Versutian Federation, Capitalist Libertarian Freedom Region, Laissez Faireholm, The Black Market, The United Defenders League, the South Pacific, The Genesis Corporation, Strategos Prime, and The Commonwealth of Kings.
Regional Power: Extremely High
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As a region, Capitalist Paradise is ranked 1,684th in the world for Shortest Average Lifespan.
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|9.||The Armed Republic of Patriotic Freedom||Anarchy||“Need courage? Here, have a gun instead!”|
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Capitalist Paradise Regional Message Board
This coming from the same guy who essentially claims that parents have no natural right to the raising of their children? The same one that says
How exactly are you not advocating the creation of essentially government clones? Where a child raised in an uber-liberal nation will almost certainly be raised to parrot the government's positions?
Please return when you have an argument.
I suspect that the best people most of the time to enforce the common maxim that we should raise our children as individuals are the parents, having their children interests at hand. That doesn't mean we should tolerate parents abusing their children, or refuse to teach them the processes to deconstruct their parent's dogma.
So you're denying what you wrote?
Always the parents' dogma with you...never the government's or anyone else's. Nobody here advocated the abuse of children, unless of course you're implying that something is abusive which we do not.
To be honest, I have no clue what The Freedom-Seeking Republic of Panageadom is talking about when he refers to a parent's dogma. Does he mean political leanings? Religion? Gender roles? I'm not sure how things are done in whatever European nation he lives in, but in the US children are perfectly capable of "deconstructing" their parents' "dogma." How else could you explain how the children of conservative parents become liberal or the daughter of an atheist family becomes Jewish. How could thousands of young people who essentially exist off of their parents' trust funds occupy Wall Street to "protest" the wealth there.
Sorry Pan, but I see no validity whatsoever in your claims for the need for further government interference in the raising of children beyond those basic parameters which already exist.
No, I'm denying that your vague assertion of (nonexistent) natural rights has any merit.
I'm saying that, as we broadly have in the West, we can pressure the government to teach a common core of subjects that are basic to functioning in a society (whether through that's a private curriculum, state education or regulated home-schooling), and leave a degree of freedom in children's further development in additional areas or private education. Do you not think governments have a mandate to teach children arithmetic and English if their parents were to refuse to do so? Do you think that maybe if they were only ever told that objects fell because an invisible tentacle pushed them down they may not have a right to hear the theory of gravity?
And anyway, if parents have a natural right over their children, where does the government get any right to remove them in the case of abuse without a superior natural right?
To be quite honest, I think we broadly agree, but that you like disagreeing with me. Governments have an obligation to make sure children are taught the tools they can use to make up their own mind about things, like logic and mathematics, language and an empirical understanding of the society in which they live, and little more. That gives them the tools to deconstruct what they are told by either their parents or the government.
I don't like to disagree with you, it just seems necessary most of the time. Essentially yes, we do broadly agree, but you seem to think that these measures are necessary in the West when all evidence would suggest otherwise. These fundamentals are already taught in grade schools and institutions of higher learning. In the Middle East your argument would certainly have validity, but in the West...not so much.
Now, now... One man's raid is another man's quest to bring light to the unwashed masses. Think of the crusades for example.
As someone that raised teenagers, as far as I am concerned the parents (or foster parent or guardian) have absolute say so over those munchkins until they hit the age of majority. We are talking God-like authority here.
Here's an example. I raised my teens in Texas. If my 16 year old daughter decided she wanted to leave the house against my wishes and I physically stopped her by grabbing her arm, that could be considered child abuse and unlawful imprisonment. It seems that restraining a teen from leaving the house while in screaming temper tantrum mode is illegal because you might be abusing that teen and the teen has the right to flee the abuse.
If that feisty little red head leaves the house with her rowdy friends, over my objections, and later that night gets caught doing a little ghetto art work on your garage door, guess what happens....
Come on... You can figure it out.
The feisty little red head gets a summons to go to court and I get one too for failing to adequately control the feisty little red head.
As long as there is no physical abuse, the parent must have absolute power over the decisions the child, especially teens, make. The parents cannot be there for all of the decisions, but the for the decisions s they are there for it the parents ultimate authority. For those bad decisions that go wrong, the parents have the ultimate say in what punishment is dealt out as long as there is no physical abuse such as bruises, cuts or other marks.
 Yes, I'm kidding.
 While this did not happen to me, because the feisty little red head does not have a death wish, it did happen to the neighbor and his daughter. He refused to let her leave the house one night. The next day she complained to the guidance counselor at school. Social services showed on his door step. They told him that during an argument, she can leave that house anytime she wants in order to "defuse" the situation. If he stops her, we're talking criminal here.
The following week, she waltzed out the door over his objections at nine p.m. At ten-thirty the police brought her home along with a set of matching summons.
As I would assume, but read the description of my nation. Does it sound like I've been deciding issues from a left wing point of view?
Anyway, looks like I've been upgraded to: Capitalizt