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Welcome to Capitalist Paradise! Founded on May 2003, this is a friendly and secure region with exceptionally strong economies, high civil rights and political freedoms. We welcome nations of all categories.

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Regional Power: Extremely High

Capitalist Paradise contains 425 nations, the 24th most in the world.

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The Most Pacifist in Capitalist Paradise

Nations ranked highly pursue diplomatic solutions rather than military ones in the international arena, have small or nonexistent militaries, and peace-loving citizens.

As a region, Capitalist Paradise is ranked 16,208th in the world for Most Pacifist.

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1.The Peaceful Land-Area of GabeWorldWA MemberLeft-wing Utopia“All creatures deserve happiness!”
2.The Protectorate of AelhaeranWA MemberLiberal Democratic Socialists“The Light to the Nations”
3.The Nation of ItorcyaWA MemberLiberal Democratic Socialists“Fortitudo mediante unitate”
4.The Empire of CrococityDemocratic Socialists“Live like you mean it”
5.The Progressive Technocracy of Uchila EruWA MemberCivil Rights Lovefest“The Bells of Freedom Ring”
6.The Cradle to Grave Utopia of Prince StevenCorrupt Dictatorship“Bow, Peasant, and Thou Shalt be Equal”
7.The Capitalist Alliance of The-CIDCorporate Bordello“Justice Above All”
8.The Grand Republic of TyzoidWA MemberCivil Rights Lovefest“To the freedom of all”
9.The Lingerie Land of Victoria SecretLeft-Leaning College State“Lingerie is the Way”
10.The Radioactive Dustbowl of Zone Ground ZeroInoffensive Centrist Democracy“Oh PLEEEEZ, not again”
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The Foxy Truckin' Theocracy of Funktopia wrote:Not even close.


Did you read the link?

I don't know where you got the idea that successful CEOs do not (or did not) typically first pursue academic credentials. Certainly the data I linked proves that there is a current and projected shortage of qualified individuals and especially so at the managerial, professional, and executive levels. This was true even prior to half a century ago when Bell Labs and IBM scoured MIT and the Ivy League for the elite.

You have provided a solitary unsourced anecdote to the contrary.

NS++ is functional again to the extent that the regional population graph, regional newspaper, embedded IRC and API recruitment services are all operational. The best part is that the extension is no longer crashing my browser every 20 minutes.

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The Foxy Truckin' Theocracy of Funktopia wrote:I had some fun with this a few years ago when I was still in university. I asked some people I knew how they would make a factory more productive. What methods they'd use, what changes they'd make, where they'd get their information, etc. Now I live in Toronto, home of Pride Parade, Slut Walk, Sarkeesian, and every other clueless liberal movement or leader. U of T is just the epicenter. They gave me answers ranging from "internet search" to "independent study." Literally no one said "I'd ask one of the employees who has worked there for decades what could be done about productivity." It highlighted my point quite well.

Next opening I've got, you have a shot at it.

The County of Orlogtun wrote:This hasn't been the norm for well over half a century. I would rather work for professionals with credentials and would more often hire, promote, or recommend for promotion someone with credentials.

Nonsense. In my line of work there are people with all kinds of well credentialed people along side of those with not so many letters after their name. It all comes down to work ethic and enthusiasm for the job. I would rather have someone willing to do the job, learn and find solutions then some clueless pedigreed know it all that cannot see common sense through all that book learning. I hire and promote that way too.

I find experience, attitude and work history outranks "credentials" every time.

The Foxy Truckin' Theocracy of Funktopia wrote:Not even close.

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The County of Orlogtun wrote:Did you read the link?

I don't know where you got the idea that successful CEOs do not (or did not) typically first pursue academic credentials. Certainly the data I linked proves that there is a current and projected shortage of qualified individuals and especially so at the managerial, professional, and executive levels. This was true even prior to half a century ago when Bell Labs and IBM scoured MIT and the Ivy League for the elite.

You have provided a solitary unsourced anecdote to the contrary.

How about these for starters:
- Apple: Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak
- Microsoft: Bill Gates
- The guy that founded Whole Foods Markets. (Cannot remember his name.)
- Hobby Lobby founders
- ESPN's founders Bill and Scott(?) Rasmussen
- The guy that wrote and now runs Wordpress, the blogging software
- Virgin (As in communications and ariline) founder Sir Richard Branson
- Dell Computers: Micheal Dell
- Mr. Ralph Lauren of the clothing line

...and on and on and on and on and last but not least let us not forget Mark "Facebook" Zuckerberg.

I agree with The Foxy Truckin' Theocracy of Funktopia's comment "not even close." Some of the most successful business leaders and innovators in this nation either dropped out of school or didn't go at all.

And frankly speaking, these days colleges no longer teach how to think, they now teach what to think. For the most part colleges and universities have become purveyors of politically correct sensitivity training that has little practical use in the real world. Even the hard sciences are becoming contaminated with politicized science. (See the climate change crowd for one example.)

I think the trend toward corporate leaders that skipped out on college will go nowhere but up from here. Those entrepreneurs that come up through the ranks will have a far better grasp on reality. That firm grasp on reality will put them light years ahead of the ivy league business school grads.

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The Minister of Bad Behavior of Capitalist Producers wrote:

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The County of Orlogtun wrote:Did you read the link?
I don't know where you got the idea that successful CEOs do not (or did not) typically first pursue academic credentials. Certainly the data I linked proves that there is a current and projected shortage of qualified individuals and especially so at the managerial, professional, and executive levels. This was true even prior to half a century ago when Bell Labs and IBM scoured MIT and the Ivy League for the elite.

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How about these for starters:
- Apple: Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak
- Microsoft: Bill Gates
- The guy that founded Whole Foods Markets. (Cannot remember his name.)
- Hobby Lobby founders
- ESPN's founders Bill and Scott(?) Rasmussen
- The guy that wrote and now runs Wordpress, the blogging software
- Virgin (As in communications and ariline) founder Sir Richard Branson
- Dell Computers: Micheal Dell
- Mr. Ralph Lauren of the clothing line

...and on and on and on and on and last but not least let us not forget Mark "Facebook" Zuckerberg.

I agree with The Foxy Truckin' Theocracy of Funktopia's comment "not even close." Some of the most successful business leaders and innovators in this nation either dropped out of school or didn't go at all.

And frankly speaking, these days colleges no longer teach how to think, they now teach what to think. For the most part colleges and universities have become purveyors of politically correct sensitivity training that has little practical use in the real world. Even the hard sciences are becoming contaminated with politicized science. (See the climate change crowd for one example.)

I think the trend toward corporate leaders that skipped out on college will go nowhere but up from here. Those entrepreneurs that come up through the ranks will have a far better grasp on reality. That firm grasp on reality will put them light years ahead of the ivy league business school grads.


Unfortunately your data set is too small, incomplete, and the same one trotted out ad nauseum at HuffPo or Forbes as "proof" of a bare-faced assertion. The reality is somewhat different:

Andrew Viterbi [Qualcomm] Ph.D. USC
David C Drummond [Google] J.D. Stanford
Irwin M Jacobs [Qualcomm] Sc.D. MIT
Larry Page [Google] M.S. Stanford
Sergey Brin [Google] M.S. Stanford
Elon Musk [PayPal, Tesla] B.A. (Econ) Penn and B.Sc. (Phys.) Penn
Norman Joseph Woodland [co-inventor UPC "barcode"] BSME Drexel
Gordon Kidd Teal [Texas Instruments] Ph.D. (Phys.Chem.) Brown
Terry Welch [LZW algorithm: GIF/PNG] Ph.D. MIT
Linus Torvalds [Linux] M.S. Helsinki
Jorma Ollila [Nokia] 3 Masters Degrees multiple institutions
Vint Cerf [TCP/IP] Ph.D. UCLA
Bob Kahn [TCP/IP] Ph.D. Princeton
Jay S Walker [Priceline] B.S. Cornell
Every Medical Doctor [Your Health] M.D. Real University
Carlos Slim [América Móvil] P.Eng. UNAM
Warren Buffett [Berkshire-Hathaway] M.Sc. (Econ) Columbia
Rod Canion [Compaq] M.Eng. Houston
Sir Tim Berners-Lee [HTTP] Fr.Eng. + Oxford
Jeff Bezos [Amazon] M.S.E. Princeton (also double summa cum laude)
Robert D. Carmichael [Carmichael numbers] Ph.D. Princeton
Steve Chen [YouTube] B.A. UIUC
Jerry Yang [Yahoo!] M.S.E. Stanford
Timothy Koogle [Yahoo!] M.S.E. Stanford
Martin Cooper [Motorola] M.S.E. IIT
Nolan Bushnell [Atari, Chuck E Cheese] B. Eng. Utah
Pierre Omidyar [eBay] BCS Tufts

And on and on and on and on...

All your examples are exceptions and not the rule. If your son or daughter approached you with a plan to attend a pricey liberal arts college in Oregon where they were going to drop LSD and spend a lot of time learning calligraphy, you'd almost surely correct their behaviour and order them to buckle down or they won't earn a scholarship to Stanford or MIT. Yet Steve Jobs is constantly and inappropriately heralded as an exemplary role model by people who would simply not have taken such a route to entrepreneurial success. For every liberal arts acid-dropping calligraphy enthusiast who emerges victorious there are at least fifty others who are now picking bottles out of the trash or the equivalent.

Next: none of those exceptions you cite actually fit The Foxy Truckin' Theocracy of Funktopia's definition. They didn't work their way up from the ground floor. They started companies that happened to succeed yet there are hundreds or thousands of others that try and fail. Simply because a handful were started by dropouts and succeeded doesn't mean they succeeded because they were (initially) led by dropouts. How many of those dropouts tell their own children to eschew a college degree as a blueprint for success? I would gamble the percentage is as near to zero as possible.

Finally: I suspect you will not accept that a college degree is the primary defining line between those who are financially successful and those who are not. Between those who may compete for professional careers and those who cannot. It's not the only defining line but it is a pretty good indicator. Few people bother reading demographic or economic reports that clearly demonstrate the accelerating rate of professionalism in the workforce.

Nation of Quebec, Faehig, and Itorcya

While economies around the world are becoming more and more specialized, for now and for a while hereafter, I suspect the majority of jobs require on-the-job professionalism. As in, not merely academic or studious professionalism, but the social and intellectual professionalism that each job holds different degrees and forms of in itself.
Speaking of which, why are our high schools still as generalized as they are if few if any who would disagree that economies will in the future require specialized skills?

The County of Orlogtun wrote:Finally: I suspect you will not accept that a college degree is the primary defining line between those who are financially successful and those who are not.


You got that right. Most of today's institutes of "higher learning" are cesspools of progressive idealism more interested in teaching socialist garbage and what students should be thinking rather then how to think and real world knowledge.

The County of Orlogtun wrote:Between those who may compete for professional careers and those who cannot. It's not the only defining line but it is a pretty good indicator. Few people bother reading demographic or economic reports that clearly demonstrate the accelerating rate of professionalism in the workforce.

Just for grins I practiced my Google-Fu. Check these out:

http://www.collegedropoutshalloffame.com/
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-successful-college-droputs-2013-9?op=1
http://www.businessinsider.com/top-100-entrepreneurs-who-made-millions-without-a-college-degree-2011-1
http://www.interesticle.com/entertainment/10-richest-people-who-did-not-finish-college/
http://www.fastcompany.com/3030631/hit-the-ground-running/10-famous-founders-who-didnt-graduate-from-college
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ashleyperez/23-famous-dropouts-who-turned-out-just-fine#.egWpdORdx
https://overmanwarrior.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/successful-people-that-didnt-go-to-college/
http://elitedaily.com/news/business/100-top-entrepreneurs-succeeded-college-degree/

There are lots more pages of examples of people did not need the college to reach the top. People from Lincoln to Warren Buffet bagged the higher education route and did their own thing. Feel free to dig further if you feel the need. Clearly an ivy league diploma is not essential to success or even making the big time. It never has been. It is all about the person going for the gold. If it is not the right person, the gold cannot be reached. It doesn't matter how much education they have. It doesn't matter if they go for the small gold like a neighborhood bar or big time gold like Harpo Productions (Oprah). It all depends on who is driving the effort. At best, the school they went to may offer some short cuts to the goal, but in cannot give people what it takes to make the grade.

It is certainly true in my industry.

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