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Post by Zeouria suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
Hopefully not. At least it was just a warehouse, and no printing presses were destroyed. Of course, many books were burned and it will surely affect the bussiness of AK Press, something that is already fairly fragle.
Post by Alcatha suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
Very unfortunate.
Post by Libertarian Communes suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
Can someone please tell me why my civil rights score went down when I prevented nazis from holding a rally? That makes absolutely no sense. I understood that my political freedom rating would go down, but how is being a nazi someone's "civil right?"
Post by True leveller suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
Probably because it's considered part of free speech or somthing, though that kind of falls under both political and "civil" freedoms
Post by Libertarian Communes suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
It seems like that would be protecting people's civil rights. It also said that I made it illegal to make racist remarks in public. That seems like a huge stretch. Somehow because I don't want fascists to be able to organize that means I want to throw any person who says anything remotely considered "racist" in jail? Some of the results of the legislation just make no sense, like apparently because I don't believe in the death penalty that also means I want to ban all extreme political groups? And when I gave in to my workers demands for better pay the result was "nation ravaged by daily union strikes." Like why would they go on strike after I met their demands?
Post by New sade suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
Keep in mind the following:
(1) NS is not meant to be a "realistic" nation simulator, quite a few of the issues are silly to the point of parody, and literally all of them result in highly exaggerated outcomes.
(2) The assumptions underlying the game's categories are those of a moderate liberal, and thus many the outcomes are likely to seem especially nonsensical to an anarchist who doesn't share those assumptions.
(3) The most basic assumption behind the game's issues is there is always a trade off between one kind of freedom or another. So choosing any option is likely to raise one category at the expense of a different category.
In terms of the results of your issues:
* I seem to recall banning the Nazi demonstration causes Political Freedoms to go down, but not Civil Rights. No idea why that happened, but they have been changing some of the effects of issues lately, so maybe that explains it. It's also possible the drop in Civil Rights came from a different issue - I noticed you made organ donation compulsory, which will definitely lower Civil Rights.
* The death penalty issue is a perfect example of (3). The game presumes that there is some kind of "trade off" between Civil freedoms and Political freedoms. If you had chosen to let the pro death penalty party into office, your political freedoms will go up but your civil rights would take a hit, instead of the other way around. It's not only that you are opposed to the death penalty, but you are so opposed that you would prevent the death penalty from being implemented even if a majority of voters wanted it.
* The assumption behind the striking workers is that if you give in to worker demands, workers will strike in other industries to demand higher wages, too, and that this will drag down the economy. It's the incredibly simplistic thinking you're likely to encounter in an Econ 101 class, and which has sadly become a kind of "common sense" over the last 30 years of neoliberalism (in spite of its obvious harm).
Astrum Nigrum, Alcatha, and Libertarian Communes
Post by Alcatha suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
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I have been invaded by a Corptocracy type nation known as the APEX Group and a private military is asking me too hire their mercenaries. If any comrades could join me in the defense of the Alcathan lands we could use a volunteer brigade or something.
Post by Renewed dissonance suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
Your civil rights rating went down because your course of action abridges the freedom of conscious/belief/speech. These are all frequently considered "civil" rights. The distinction (I think) is that civil rights more broadly pertain to an individual's rights an actions in all spheres, including the private (for instance, a gathering in one's own home, or a rally in a public space) whereas political freedoms more specifically pertain to those rights and actions involving the direct petition of government (voting, etc).
Thus, banning a rally (or a gathering in a public space) would more directly pertain to civil rights, since it more directly affects an individuals activities in a not-directly-governmental sphere.
It's also exactly what a Nazi would do, but that's another argument. :)
Post by Astrum Nigrum suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
also nationstates sometimes rates corruption as high freedom. there's an issue that will make your political freedoms go down if you don't allow corporations to buy politicians...
Post by Renewed dissonance suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
*Some* peoples'
If you banned Nazi rallies, you banned racist remarks in public (since Nazi rallies are likely to be both public and racist).
Post by Libertarian Communes suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
Hate speech may be a form of political freedom, but it certainly isn't a civil right. If all they were doing was SAYING racist things then I wouldn't have a problem, but we all know nazis are interested in more than expressing their opinion. I banned nazi rallies in order to protect the community from hate crimes, not necessarily to censor their stupid beliefs
Post by Libertarian Communes suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
I'm curious; Most of the countries labeled "Anarchy" seem to resemble more "anarcho" capitalism, and are as disastrous as you would expect them to be. Has anyone been able to achieve an actual Catalonia/Makhnovtchina style anarchist territory, with workers control over the means of production? I know that's a lot to expect from a game called "Nation States," but it seems like the only good left wing options are between Scandinavian style social democracy, and Cuban style state-socialism.
Post by Natapoc suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
There is an issue where you can allow workers to seize control of the means of production. Civil rights lovefests tend to be very close to what anarchism really is (not an cap) but the general categories can obscure a lot.
In Natapoc the workers own the means of production and the state has zero power to enact or enforce law based on the issues I've passed. Is that close?
New sade and Libertarian Communes
Post by New sade suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
I've gotten that issue before about allowing workers to seize control of the means of production. It's a nice addition by a Leftist issues author, but as far as I can tell it doesn't actually do anything to your nation - it's never mentioned again and doesn't seem to affect the actual distribution of the economy. It would be nice if it had an actual impact on the nation (i.e. if there was a separate category on the "industry" tab for worker managed enterprises, rather than just breaking things down into Private Sector, Government, State Owned Industry and Black Market). Instead it just seems to be throwing a (rather small and dry) bone to libertarian socialist types.
I would agree that the Civil Rights Lovefest is probably the closest rating to what most of us mean when we say "anarchy", although as you say, one's mileage can vary - I've seen a lot of civil right lovefests that are basically capitalist minarchist states (i.e. fairly close to the ancap end of the spectrum).
There really is no satisfactory category for the anarchist in this game. As I've said before, the "Left Wing Utopia" category almost implies a massive state bureaucracy - not exactly an ideal for most anarchists. For example, your description of your nation:
...seems to conflict with the randomly generated description of your nation I just received:
"The Nomadic Peoples of Natapoc is a gargantuan, genial nation, remarkable for its anti-smoking policies, state-planned economy, and absence of drug laws."
Anti-smoking policies (yet supposedly, no drug laws?)? State planned economy? Sounds more like a liberal nanny state to me. Definitely not bad in the overall scheme of things in this game, but anarchy? Far from it...
As 
The Federation of Libertarian Communes points out, this is a fundamental limitation of a game that by definition takes the nation-state as the absolute horizon of all political possibility.
Post by New sade suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
In general I am somewhat skeptical of appeals to "freedom of speech", myself, since in practice these appeals seem to almost always come from, or on behalf of, extreme reactionaries and hate groups (i.e. the KKK, that Quran burning reverend a few years ago, etc).
Speech which actually challenges the status quo from a revolutionary or even just moderately progressive direction tends to be crushed by the state as a matter of course, without any debate or ritualized hand-wringing about "free speech" from the liberal chattering classes.
It seems obvious that at the end of the day the state is happy to oblige the former. Hence why real neo-Nazi rallies often have police escorts, while anti-authoritarian rallies are met by those same police with tear gas and truncheons.
Post by Libertarian Communes suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
I'm skeptical that censoring fascism can actually have the effect of eliminating it. Look at Germany, they have pretty strict laws against Neo-Nazism, but it never really got rid of the fascist movement in Germany, it just pushed it underground and fed in to their victim mentality. Instead Nazism in Germany has been replaced with soft Fascism (PEGIDA). I certainly don't think the state ought to have any business protecting their demonstrations (which they usually do) but criminalizing their bigotry is another thing entirely. I support far-rightists freedom to express their opinions because then at least you know who these people are, which makes them easier to fight.
Post by Natapoc suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
Yes the description does conflict with issues that have been chosen.
State planned economy must be boilerplate for any economy that is not run by "the invisible hand" because I have repeatedly picked that workers control the means of production. It can't be a "state planned" economy when it's actually a democratic economy can it?
I also always pick the options that give the most power to people as far as decision making(everything is decided by referendum) and we have NO police force (or military) according to issues I've selected (and sometimes according to the nation descriptions).
So yes, the game assumes a state and it really can't fully break out of it. But if you read the descriptions from the perspective of the issues you know you passed then you can imagine your left wing utopia or civil rights lovefest as an anarchy. :)
Post by Libertarian Communes suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
Has anyone achieved a country with a good economy and economic equality? And/Or has any one achieved economic equality without government, police, and prisons?
Post by Natapoc suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
Yes you can do that by picking issues strategically with the intent to achieve certain category numbers. If you wish to do this you can look up the impact of each decision on the 3 categories and pick options accordingly.
However, as an anarchist if you pick issues according to your beliefs and if you answer all issues your economy will be in shambles and you will have very high political freedom and civil rights. This is because anarchists place a high value on human lives compared to corporate profits.
The way I see it, you have to pick between being issue focused and being category focused.
Being in the World Assembly can also impact your categories. WA membership shifts my nation to the right/authoritarian forcing it to be less left libertarian than it would be without WA membership. I am only in the WA to help reduce our chances of being invaded and to better help defend anarchy if that happens.
Post by Zeouria suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
Ever reviled, accursed,-n'er understood,
Thou art the grisly terror of our age.
"Wreck of all order," cry the multitude,
"Art thou, and war and murder's endless rage."
O, let them cry. To them that ne'er have striven,
The truth that lies behind a word to find,
To them the word's right meaning was not given.
They shall continue blind among the blind.
But thou, O word, so clear, so strong, so pure,
That sayest all which I for goal have taken.
I give thee to the future! -Thine secure
When each at last unto himself shall waken.
Comes it in sunshine? In the tempest's thrill?
I cannot tell......but it the earth shall see!
I am an Anarchist! Wherefore I will
Not rule, and also ruled I will not be!
-John Henry Mackay.
Post by Zeouria suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
One more thing:
"With Anarchy as an aim and as a means, Communism becomes possible. Without it, it necessarily becomes slavery and cannot exist." - Kropotkin, Communism and Anarchy.
What is everyone's opinions on the 'Anarcho-Capitalists'?
Post by Libertarian Communes suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
"Anarcho" Capitalism. A better term for this ideology would be Neo-Feudalism.
Astrum Nigrum and New sade
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Post by Consejo regional de defensa de aragon suppressed by 1st south carolina militia.
Lol I've become a "Inoffensive Centrist Democracy". I was trying to get a good economy :( But private enterprise still being illegal haha
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