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Matestan wrote:I propose en-masse nuclear deterrent, in a new, exciting bipedal tank formation.
I shall call it... Steel Cog.

Any kind of non-treaded tank would be hideously unreliable. A quadrupedal tank I could potentially see if you had the material and power requirements to make it a fast-moving gun platform, but a bipedal tank would be both slow, unstable, and expensive. The MBT is pretty close to going the way of the dodo as it is, what with advanced helicopter gunships, a variety of air support, and a whole smorgasbord of anti-tank missile platforms ranging from simple but deadly shoulder-carried RPGs to advanced vehicle mounted ATGMs that can kill the vehicle before it even knows there are eyes on it. And that is the situation for good tanks that have heavy armor, advanced electronics systems, powerful guns, and engines that can propel the tank at speeds exceeding 95 KPH on treads. A bipedal tank would have to sacrifice armor to allow for complex balance systems, sacrifice firepower as a gun that is too powerful could cause the tank to lose balance (if adequate shock absorbing systems were installed, it would likely prove to be too heavy for the vehicle and would cause a loss of balance), sacrifice electronics since the vast majority of available systems would most likely have to be used to do the complex movement calculations that allow for upright bipedal movement, and it would sacrifice speed because it would be nearly impossible to get comparable speed in legs that you could get from wheels or treads from the same engine. A bipedal tank would be inferior to a treaded tank in just about any way, no matter what technologies you have.

But let us say, for the sake of argument, that you made a sufficiently large, armored, speedy, and sensor-equipped bipedal tank. Now you want to arm them with nuclear weapons. A "Davy Crockett" type of gun comes to mind, but even if it was an advanced railgun launching the projectile it would not have the range of even a small SLBM, let alone a modern ICBM of the kinds that ADDO and FLOAT nations have in their arsenals. So, lets say you decided to equip it with ICBMs instead. Even then, it would be impractical. A ICBM is a complex and dangerous machine to have on a moving platform, so your nuclear force would be very accident-prone, causing massive loss of materiel and life in a time of nuclear peace. Also, land targets (unlike submarines) are easy to spot with satellite and radar, making them easy targets for a nuclear first strike, no matter how fast the vehicle moves across land. Therefore, this "bipedal tank nuclear deterrent" is an impractical pipe dream.

TL;DR: Walking nuke-tanks are a bad idea.

Onyaki wrote:Don't be so harsh on communism, if governed correctly it can be very effective. If everyone is employed by the Government and are payed an amount suitable for the size of the cog they turn, jobs get done and people are happy. It's the rich and the greedy who are the problem. As a new country, you have the chance to make sure no one person has too much power and, so long as you don't run a corrupt Government, The whole system works

Due to Escanthea's irrational hatred of communism and my nation's semi-rational hatred of communism, communist nations often find themselves friendless in Ainur. FLOAT absolutely despises communism as a whole, and while ADDO could technically admit a communist nation if it was also democratic and had a good human rights record, Thalasus would be on that nation like white on rice and a glass of milk on a paper plate in a snow storm. The Red Scare would be very, very real.

Maybe the communists of Ainur want to make their own third pact?

Onyaki wrote:Don't be so harsh on communism, if governed correctly it can be very effective. If everyone is employed by the Government and are payed an amount suitable for the size of the cog they turn, jobs get done and people are happy. It's the rich and the greedy who are the problem. As a new country, you have the chance to make sure no one person has too much power and, so long as you don't run a corrupt Government, The whole system works

I envy you your optimism.
Unfortunately, somebody is going to need to be in charge of any system, and as the old adage goes, power corrupts.
It might work, if everyone involved had the right upbringing.
But that would need a power structure to come before it that was consciously bringing about its own demise, and that is a singularly unlikely scenario.

Thalasus wrote:

Any kind of non-treaded tank would be hideously unreliable. A quadrupedal tank I could potentially see if you had the material and power requirements to make it a fast-moving gun platform, but a bipedal tank would be both slow, unstable, and expensive. The MBT is pretty close to going the way of the dodo as it is, what with advanced helicopter gunships, a variety of air support, and a whole smorgasbord of anti-tank missile platforms ranging from simple but deadly shoulder-carried RPGs to advanced vehicle mounted ATGMs that can kill the vehicle before it even knows there are eyes on it. And that is the situation for good tanks that have heavy armor, advanced electronics systems, powerful guns, and engines that can propel the tank at speeds exceeding 95 KPH on treads. A bipedal tank would have to sacrifice armor to allow for complex balance systems, sacrifice firepower as a gun that is too powerful could cause the tank to lose balance (if adequate shock absorbing systems were installed, it would likely prove to be too heavy for the vehicle and would cause a loss of balance), sacrifice electronics since the vast majority of available systems would most likely have to be used to do the complex movement calculations that allow for upright bipedal movement, and it would sacrifice speed because it would be nearly impossible to get comparable speed in legs that you could get from wheels or treads from the same engine. A bipedal tank would be inferior to a treaded tank in just about any way, no matter what technologies you have.
But let us say, for the sake of argument, that you made a sufficiently large, armored, speedy, and sensor-equipped bipedal tank. Now you want to arm them with nuclear weapons. A "Davy Crockett" type of gun comes to mind, but even if it was an advanced railgun launching the projectile it would not have the range of even a small SLBM, let alone a modern ICBM of the kinds that ADDO and FLOAT nations have in their arsenals. So, lets say you decided to equip it with ICBMs instead. Even then, it would be impractical. A ICBM is a complex and dangerous machine to have on a moving platform, so your nuclear force would be very accident-prone, causing massive loss of materiel and life in a time of nuclear peace. Also, land targets (unlike submarines) are easy to spot with satellite and radar, making them easy targets for a nuclear first strike, no matter how fast the vehicle moves across land. Therefore, this "bipedal tank nuclear deterrent" is an impractical pipe dream.

Perhaps. But it'd make for excellent psycholgical warfare. After all, seeing a screaming, monstrous fire breathing nuclear capable robot dinosaur has something of an effect on one's courage to blindly charge.

BP liked a factual post I made correcting someone about their military hardware, and didn't feel the need to make corrections. My life is complete.

Matestan wrote:Perhaps. But it'd make for excellent psycholgical warfare. After all, seeing a screaming, monstrous fire breathing nuclear capable robot dinosaur has something of an effect on one's courage to blindly charge.

There are very few "blind charges" in modern warfare. We would probably nuke/missile it from a distance. It would be cool to see, though. Maybe build one if you have some excess warheads, manpower, and about $10 billion extra cash.

Onyaki wrote:Don't be so harsh on communism, if governed correctly it can be very effective. If everyone is employed by the Government and are payed an amount suitable for the size of the cog they turn, jobs get done and people are happy. It's the rich and the greedy who are the problem. As a new country, you have the chance to make sure no one person has too much power and, so long as you don't run a corrupt Government, The whole system works

>me when this guy thinks he can create a neckbeard's paradise of "equality" where work and effort is utterly meaningless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhckuhUxcgA

Escanthea

Thalasus wrote: It would be cool to see, though. Maybe build one if you have some excess warheads, manpower, and about $10 billion extra cash.

Hey, I didn't cut off all funding to Religion and Welfare for no reason.

Onyaki wrote:Don't be so harsh on communism, if governed correctly it can be very effective. If everyone is employed by the Government and are payed an amount suitable for the size of the cog they turn, jobs get done and people are happy. It's the rich and the greedy who are the problem. As a new country, you have the chance to make sure no one person has too much power and, so long as you don't run a corrupt Government, The whole system works

Dirty commie get out.

Danceria wrote:>me when this guy thinks he can create a neckbeard's paradise of "equality" where work and effort is utterly meaningless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhckuhUxcgA

You're thinking like a true FLOATer, Danceria.

Every child thinks that something like communism would be the best way to organize the economy in a society. Every child also sees something inherently wrong with communism that prevents it from ever being perfectly implemented as well.

Prussian russia

Prussian russia wrote:Well... What is the purpose?
what do people normally do?
I am good. How are you doing on this day?

Anyone?

Prussian russia wrote:Anyone?

The meaning of this game is similar to the meaning of life. Just pretend it's there and somehow, the screaming void is somehow satiated. If you believe it is possible to find true meaning in life, you can do so in this game too. Just keep up a charade we all know we share and pretend to be someone you aren't, following the rules laid down for you by a bunch of equally appathetic people, lieimg about life being good, out of fear of ending it since they know not what dreams may come when they have shuffled off their (copyright claim by Shakey).

That seesd a bit dark but I think it answers your question.

Nargothond wrote:The meaning of this game is similar to the meaning of life. Just pretend it's there and somehow, the screaming void is somehow satiated. If you believe it is possible to find true meaning in life, you can do so in this game too. Just keep up a charade we all know we share and pretend to be someone you aren't, following the rules laid down for you by a bunch of equally appathetic people, lieimg about life being good, out of fear of ending it since they know not what dreams may come when they have shuffled off their (copyright claim by Shakey).
That seesd a bit dark but I think it answers your question.

http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20140101.png

Nargothond wrote:Missing a gif?
http://i.imgur.com/7SXgCtY.gif

Actually this...

http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/

Prussian russia wrote:Anyone?

The point of the game is to simulate politics as you would run your country, using a series of choices that range from one extreme to the next.
There isn't a whole lot to it, really, so we make our own fun elsewhere, such as on the forums (which I'm a hypocrite about since I'm not actually a member) and here on the RMB.
We usually have a little RP thing going, but recently none has happened.
I might look to change that I suppose.
Though in a way that doesn't compromise our stellar reputation for neutrality.

Nargothond wrote:(copyright claim by Shakey)

Was that...Crossed!?

The Gunslinger Girl wrote:Actually this...
http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-34128594

The hunnish nations

Wow, 2nd in the World for, ah, something. Ooh, squirrel.

The chappellian

Hellow.I'm back:)
How's it goin?
I'll try to join in the chat RP stuff soon:)

Thalasus wrote:[spoiler=#inb4 BP]
Due to Escanthea's irrational hatred of communism and my nation's semi-rational hatred of communism, communist nations often find themselves friendless in Ainur. FLOAT absolutely despises communism as a whole, and while ADDO could technically admit a communist nation if it was also democratic and had a good human rights record, Thalasus would be on that nation like white on rice and a glass of milk on a paper plate in a snow storm. The Red Scare would be very, very real.
Maybe the communists of Ainur want to make their own third pact?

My Nation Is one that is democratic, however with communist hints. It is nothing like Stalin, or the famous communists, it mainly follows the communist economy. Throughout history communist economies have been very strong, so I intend to replicate this whilst still being democratic (free votes, civil rights, etc.)

Prussian russia

The Bermudan Pentagram wrote:The point of the game is to simulate politics as you would run your country, using a series of choices that range from one extreme to the next.
There isn't a whole lot to it, really, so we make our own fun elsewhere, such as on the forums (which I'm a hypocrite about since I'm not actually a member) and here on the RMB.
We usually have a little RP thing going, but recently none has happened.
I might look to change that I suppose.
Though in a way that doesn't compromise our stellar reputation for neutrality.
Was that...Crossed!?

Thank you

Nargothond wrote:The meaning of this game is similar to the meaning of life. Just pretend it's there and somehow, the screaming void is somehow satiated. If you believe it is possible to find true meaning in life, you can do so in this game too. Just keep up a charade we all know we share and pretend to be someone you aren't, following the rules laid down for you by a bunch of equally appathetic people, lieimg about life being good, out of fear of ending it since they know not what dreams may come when they have shuffled off their (copyright claim by Shakey).
That seesd a bit dark but I think it answers your question.

Lovecraft?

Nargothond wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-34128594

Pithy. :(

Escanthea wrote:You're thinking like a true FLOATer, Danceria.

I can feel my soul and people's political privileges evaporating...

The Bermudan Pentagram wrote:I envy you your optimism.
Unfortunately, somebody is going to need to be in charge of any system, and as the old adage goes, power corrupts.
It might work, if everyone involved had the right upbringing.
But that would need a power structure to come before it that was consciously bringing about its own demise, and that is a singularly unlikely scenario.

As a guy who has no power but a mouse and keyboard, I should hope my Government does not become corrupt

Onyaki wrote:As a guy who has no power but a mouse and keyboard, I should hope my Government does not become corrupt

Assuming you're talking about the government in your home country,
There are always going to be elements that are corrupt. But there are varying degrees of corruption.
Technically, people who are exploiting elements of the political system in order to maintain their power without 'earning' it (gerrymandering, or accepting the functional bribes that American campaigning seems to require, for example) are corrupt; it doesn't necessarily need to involve taking money from people to get an outcome you want.
But it's certainly superior to a system where any government officials will require a 'donation' in order to actually get anything done.

Now, if you're talking about the government you're building here in NS, you've got all the power!
You can do what you want!

Onyaki

The Bermudan Pentagram wrote:Assuming you're talking about the government in your home country,
There are always going to be elements that are corrupt. But there are varying degrees of corruption.
Technically, people who are exploiting elements of the political system in order to maintain their power without 'earning' it (gerrymandering, or accepting the functional bribes that American campaigning seems to require, for example) are corrupt; it doesn't necessarily need to involve taking money from people to get an outcome you want.
But it's certainly superior to a system where any government officials will require a 'donation' in order to actually get anything done.
Now, if you're talking about the government you're building here in NS, you've got all the power!
You can do what you want!

Hence the issues that pop up daily. Your decisions affects your economy, civil rights, ect. One could title oneself "The Democratic Federation of Suchandsuch" but still be a Psychotic Dictatorship.

The hard-nosed, hard-working, democratic population of 7.475 billion Gunslinger Girls live in a state of perpetual fear, as a complete breakdown of social order has led to the rise of order through biker gangs.

Kinda fitting for my nations, no?

The morovenian dawn, Thalasus, Feminamia, and Danceria

The Gunslinger Girl wrote:The hard-nosed, hard-working, democratic population of 7.475 billion Gunslinger Girls live in a state of perpetual fear, as a complete breakdown of social order has led to the rise of order through biker gangs.
Kinda fitting for my nations, no?

Indeed...speaking of, can I be animu assassin nao? :3

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