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I've got dual citizenship, UK-US. And I'll vote against. Economically, its a bad move. Projections show immediate recession and structural issues. When over half our FDI comes from the EU, most of our trade is with the EU, and the financial sector is tied into all the major EU cities, our economy is dependant on the EU. This is probably for the best, since a stronger Europe means a stronger economy. But ignore all that. Leaving will cause a massive recession. It simply isn't the right choice (but this is probably around as political as I can get... Can talk about Ukip for ages too...)
The Dark Norse, Great British Federation, The Nether Regions, Scitayarland, and 1 otherEuropa unita
nah just boost militery spending and you'll be fine
Yeah, that's okay.
Why? He just said he disagrees that "European" means "European culture" but instead he said it means "mostly living in Europe".
Whether you agree with this definition or not, I don't think "ignorance" is the right word.
Woschia, The Dark Norse, Great British Federation, The Nether Regions, and 2 othersUbitarium, and Scitayarland
GODD HOWARD
i'd place this between 'ad hominem' and 'responding to tone' on the argument pyramid. well done
Hmm. I never really looked at the EU from the perspective of culture or geography. I've always seen it as the question of free trade zones. Because for some nations, free trade is a loser, since their industries would get wiped out (for the UK, this is not the case but for Italy or Greece, this probably is). But, for others, free trade is a winner, since their industries get stronger from exports (#germany). While protectionism doesn't cause recessions per se, the economic turmoil from the shock to the terms of trade is very damaging, which is why we should stay. The question of whether a nation should be in the EU is primarily an economic one, since the majority of important EU policies are economic. The political ones are so weak they're practically non-binding, so it's really almost a non-issue.
The seven provinces, Woschia, The Dark Norse, Ebin, and 4 othersGreat British Federation, The Nether Regions, Ubitarium, and Europa unita
So comparative advantage don't real?
BTW, now that we're talking about Brexit I'd like to recommend this article:
http://www.economist.com/node/21693584
If you sign up you can read 3 articles per week. IMO it's worth to do that.
I think the European Union was doing fine before the Great Recession of 2008. In all honesty, I do not and we should not blame the troubles of Portugal, Ireland, Spain, and Greece on the European Union. The EU was assembled by nearly all European countries, in cooperation, to increase communications and ease tourism, trade, and transportation.
Spain has been trying to destroy herself for the last 400 years, way before the EU. Greece faced internal instability way before the EU. Ireland decided to leave the UK and ought to deal with what problems come with being sovereign for only about 80 or 90 years. And Portugal? I don't even know what to say.
So, as you may guess, I stand strong against the Brexit. I should want to see European Federalism; all European countries states to one government, much lIke the USA.
At the least, I would like to see Iberian Federalism: Spain, Portugal, Andorra, and Gibraltar.
The Dark Norse, Great British Federation, The Nether Regions, and Gijsmr
I have the subscription.
Don't worry, you won't unite.
And European federalism is sh!t. We have our countries for thousands of years, and something like that will just destroy sovereignity of nations. You have more than 50 nationalities, it would be apsurd to centralize them in federation. You can't compare USA and Europe. Eu-federalism is not bad, but it is dream. And pure apsurd. Politics doesn't work like that, simple. And we do not need that federation. If Germany, Britain and France are ready for it, it's okay. But uniting whole Europe is big fail in your brain.
And where would be capital of federation? Brussels? Frankfurt? Bristol? Oh, Washington? I guess this last. Nations of Western Europe make union in way that they like and they talk about uniting Europe. So, adding US in this won't suprise me. They have more influence in Europe than you think. And EU just opens door for that.
Just because we've had countries for thousands of years does not mean we cannot unite around shared interests and values. For example, if you look at optimal currency area theory, then you can balance the costs and benefits of economic integration. Similarly, when you need to be able to project power, going together is much more effective. A rules based order rationalises action. Cooperation is possible and unity as well, but there is a large difference between cooperation or unity and federalism.
Rubyna, The Dark Norse, Great British Federation, and The Nether Regions
You really don't need federation for that. Federation and this thing like EU wouldn't be same. Federation is much more centralised and pure dream. If we can live in peace and have stable and friendly bilateral relations than we do not need federation.
Why should the EU have a "capital city"? ...and what for? - Sure, Brussels is where the courts and parliament is, but does a federal Europe need to place one city above all others, when doing so could simply create argument, discord, and disunity?
Would it not be both more prudent, pragmatic, and practical, as well as efficient to have multiple city centers of excellence; with certain cities being renowned for art, banking, business, culture, education, finance, historical significance, industry, legal/judicial, medicine, science etc.?
They talked about federation like USA. US model has official capital.
If European federation existed politicians would try to unite it in every mean, cultural especially. So this capital would be just beacuse of political reasons.
European Union is great idea. It will make European countries closer and help people to travel for work and/or meet other cultures. Wich is great. When nations like each other stability is necessity.
But federation is awful idea. We do not need it. For what? To unite in one superpower? And? Invade America or China? If we want Europe stable let's just learn our childs to love our neighbors and to respect other cultures. I saw on TV, in newspapers and on internet much projects, from smart people. Students for example have great ideas.
We should be united, but not politically. When we involve politics it ends in... It never ends.
Rubyna, The Dark Norse, Thracia and Crimea, Great British Federation, and 2 othersThe Nether Regions, and Scitayarland
We're not talking about putting all our eggs in one basket here. Every city has it's own contribution of course, but in the scenario that the EU becomes one nation, a city that would fulfill the role of a capital city best would I think be a city like Prague.
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In logic, if this scenario was to ever happen, the capital would and must be either Berlin or Paris, Germany and France lead the EU, a federal Europe would be a franco-germanic one undoubtedly, citizens of the EU are required to learn German or French, so it makes most sense, and that is IF this scenario was to happen
:O
Do you in english have difference between nation and country?
35 posts??? Besides , I am writing this from my PS4.
You accomplished dream of average American. Bravo!
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