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That's great, sweetie, but I have essentially police officers that give you a stern talking to if you do something bad. I don't want to be slam dunked.
Who are your police officers going to talk to? The bridge of a missile cruiser? I would like to see them tell a nuclear submarine to knock it off... :P
That was kinda my entire point. We can't.
Well, not yet. You ever play Spore? I'm thinking of something those Religious civs can do where they take cities by turning public opinion and all.
So, like a cultural or a diplomatic victory in Civ V?
We abolished ADDO and FLOAT, not because you CTE'd but because there was nothing left of ADDO aside from you and Femmi. In cooperation with BP, we were attempting to move from a bipolar world order to a multipolar one. We wished to diversiy the world powers and introduce a new alliance system that would be more welcoming to new region-mates.
While this plan was scrapped due to noone but me being interested, we still kept the concept of getting rid of ADDO and FLOAT as super-powerful alliances that controlled the world. Now, we have replaced FLOAT wit hthe Triumphant Triumvirate as a transitional Defense organisation, however if you so desire, I'll be happy to go back to the full-blown ADDO-FLOAT cold war.
Kinda?
Kinda.
I honestly don't get this. femmi Isn't influencing anyone with their culture because they've effectively banned organised tourism to the damn place. Feminamian culture hasn't gotten anywhere toward influencing any of our decisions or our people. Even if you are going toward culture victory in Civ, the first thing you do is tech up and get decent infrastructure, not go full Amish.
You're still going under that? We dropped that whole arc a long time ago.
Did you? I saw no posts on that? Am I allowed to start investing in Feminamia? Can I start mining operations?
I have a ridiculous apetite for minerals and ores, we need oil, lumber, coal, iron, uranium and more. We can negotiate some deals and actually get you on the minerals market too.
You'd have to make serious investments to also keep the environment safe while you mine.
No, that's not how it works. We'll be happy to let you create zones where we're not allowed to mine, or even declare entire pieces of rainforest out of bounds. However, the areas where we build highways, the logging camps, the timber yards and the mines are not gonna be protected in any way. We will o our best not to dump toxic waste in your rivers, however you chose industry of nature in certain areas. By all means, build protected zones, however do not expect us to avoid tree clumos when quarrying, because that's never gonna happen.
Also, we need to set up airports, Oil drilling platforms, Fish Farms, Massive Ports for Sea Transport and if at all possible, a few shipyards too.
Then no go.
If you want to look at a nation that has succesfully modernised while trying to respect their environment, look at Brazil. If they'd accepted the fact from the start that it's impossible to protect everything, they could have saved certain zones of the rainforest and given people access to other areas. Now, they have brought everything in danger because of their unwillingness to accept reality. Simply put, accept that some eggs need to be broken to make an omelet and don't let your chickens starve because of your unwillingness to sell the omelettes to buy them food.
Many responses, all in one fairly long post.
Spoilered to avoid taking up too much space, but my responses are to, respectively:
Nargothond
Baptized Believers
Nargothond
Danceria
Nargothond-but-really-also-Feminamia-and-anyone-else-really
The specific words I quoted were not 'we have safeguards', they were 'most of his trade' etc. goes through FLOAT. Which implies that the majority of the international trade that happens in your nations is between your nations.
Perhaps I'm simply reading too much into it. I've had a long and frustrating week at work where my job is to be anal retentive - perhaps I merely mistakenly applied those same principles here.
While we respect the argument that you are making, the fact of the matter is that it is simply easier to maintain our full sovereign rights by not signing any of them away in WA membership.
While it's true that we would much prefer to have a voice in any organization that affects our day-to-day lives, by not being members of the WA, we are also implicitly and explicitly not signatories to WA legislation, letting us maintain our sovereignty without any difficulty to us whatsoever, instead of having to fight for it on a regular basis. Your efforts are laudable – I merely see no point in fighting for something I already have.
That is not at all what we are implying. We simply have no desire for individuals with no knowledge of, or concern for, the citizens of our great nation to be able to affect their lives in material ways. The WA extended no hand to us while we experienced the worst financial crisis of the past 200 years, and actively hampered our economy, so we left - and once we did, we were once again able to grow our economy to the heights it is at today.
The WA is a fine experiment in creating a global community - but until said global community has more avenues by which nations such as ours can stave off the worst effects of its legislation, perhaps through not being forced to be signatories to every piece of WA legislation, we are simply unwilling to make the sacrifices expected of WA members.
And we've never claimed to believe or practice democracy. A rule by the mob is worse by far than rule by a tyrant; the tyrant's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be slaked, or perhaps best of all, his successor may be a benevolent prince, while the mob's dissolute and populist tendencies will only see the ruination of a once-great nation.
(OOC: I do personally believe in democracy as one of the better forms of government, but I also think that only people who know what they’re talking about should be allowed to vote – or else we run into ‘what is the EU’ moments after major votes like Brexit. So really I believe in more of a…regulated democracy, since we’d hardly be able to ensure that everyone is au fait with anything they’re supposed to vote on. As such, we should just ensure that those with the franchise are those with the knowledge to actually understand what they’re voting on.)
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What do those words even mean? ‘The world’s sole monopoly’? What?
Friendo, I have literally twice your culture. Monumber makes your Sol Invictus look like Omaha. We could make 3 different ‘The Dictator’s making fun of each of you in the time it took you to get a script together.
Not to mention that Escanthea has more culture than you, Thalasus has more culture than you, and the person most avowedly pushing ‘Femilassia’ and ‘Pentaluss’ has culture in the negative numbers (which implies that this is a logarithmic scale, and therefore implies my culture is truly and legitimately terrifying in the scope of its reach).
You realize that there are environmental regulations in western countries which means that, say, toxic waste isn’t dumped in rivers, mine tailings aren’t chemical nightmares, forests don’t become muddy clear-cut wastelands…There’s a way to do environmentally conscious economic development, you just don’t seem to want to consider it. Just because China is trying to develop, and it’s doing so by making its country look worse than Nargothond, doesn’t mean that Singapore doesn’t exist as one of the cleanest, greenest cities on the planet, with a pretty stellar development story to boot.
Let’s not forget that Nargothond is a NBC hellscape where people are digested in protein vats or whatever for biomass, yet nobody seems to be dying of those effects, the environment has no teratogenic effects on their bodies or their development, and . If we can ignore some of those logical impossibilities, I’m sure we can ignore some others in the sake of maintaining her nation’s flavor. Chrissakes, we have wolf-people in feudal castles with iPhones, elves stuck in 1984, an extant Byzantine Empire (clearly the least believable thing here /s) and Swiss arms dealers who live like dwarves, but we can’t let her have environmentally friendly amazons with bamboo computers or whatever?
On the subject of the economics: I stated most trade goes THROUGH the triumvirate, not to it. I accept it is easy to confuse the two, but I was fairly sure my EU-common market analogy explained that nicely.
On the subject of democracy: My people make no comment on democracy. we have said all we could about it. It's a great concept, it doesn't work. You'll excuse me for poking at you with my ''not quite hypocrisy-stick''.
On the subject of culture: We have always been very proud of the fact we have no culture whatsoever. The entire national pride of Nargothond can be summarised as Obey the Emperor. I like to think about the negative culture as if it corrodes the cultural knowlege of anyone who even tries to embrace it. Much like most television series, we actually reduce your knowlege of stuff and make you less cultured the more you try to embrace it.
On the subject of the environment: We did propose to try not to pollute waters and stuff, however we were against the Don't harm anything concept because the last time we tried to invest, we were told we wouldn't be allowed to hack down a single tree. My people do have a really short lifespan and stuff, like I've previously said. We don't try to let people live long, we try to make them productive cogs in the great machine.
As for teratogenesis, while we do have slightly higher numbers of misformed people born here, it is of no concern, since they are immediately categorised as deffective and cleansed in the usual fashion. We do not need to imagine bamboo computers though, We already know cutting a single stem of bamboo from a riverside will utterly destroy nature in Feminamia, therefore a computer made of it is a total impossibility.
Also, what does Writing slashfiction have to do with having low culture? Are you stating it is neccessary to be highly cultured to write slash? If that's the case, sod degrees in Art, we might as well just tell students to spend a year browsing tumblr.
1) The idea, as I stated before, is that we have an internal and an external market. On the internal one, we have no trade restrictions and no tarrifs. On the external one, we work together to transport stuff on a greater scale, increase our supply to match the needs of various regions and all work to certain specifications so that we can always benefit from trading on a larger scale. See European trade, as mentioned previously. In addition, the Triumvirate negotiates trade deals with third parties for all three of us, so the nation isn't dealing with just one of us, but with all three, making the idea of better deals easier to bear, since it allows them a larger market on the other side of the table too.
2)*Grabs bottle, adds petrol, sets alight, throws back*
3)You're not doing PsyOps. You vetoed my having mechs, I'm vetoing your X-com tech.
4)She invited me to invest. Either way, I'm not doing stuff under those conditions.
Sure, but why mention the slash at all? I thought he was ignoring it, after laughing pretty hard, naturally.
*ignores message for a month, then replies when you're gone.''
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