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Aresnia is still supposed to be bad with human rights and oppressive. Just not as bad and not as dumb as the RL USSR.

Maybe not though. I might just go old school commie style.

The Bermudan Pentagram wrote:I thought they were supposed to be the 'smart' communists who don't just do stupid things because they can.

(OOC again) It's NS gameplay at work right now. As a communist state would, I was trying to crack down on anything that would be considered anti-communist propaganda. This resulted in executions, instead of arrests and only sort of euphemistic reeducation.

If you thought what I said meant that I wouldn't be an oppressive police state, you were mistaken.

The Bermudan Pentagram wrote:Ugh. God, no.

Kill!

Here are excerpts from three letters found on dead Elven soldiers.

Manager Reinhardt writes to Lieutenant Otto von Schirach:

“The Wolven have been taken away to a factory. I have selected six Aresnians from the Arosk district. They are much tougher than the Wolven. Only one of them died, the others continue to work in the fields and on the farm. Their upkeep does not cost anything, and we do not have to be sorry that these animals, whose children may be killing our soldiers, are eating Nargothondian bread. Yesterday I had to flog two Aresni beasts that secretly devoured skim milk that was destined for sows … “

Mathias Ziemlich writes to his brother, Corporal Heinrich Ziemlich:

“In Leiserain there is a camp for Aresnians, where we can watch them. They are not afraid of weapons, so we talk to them with a good lashing… “

One Otto Essmann writes to Lieutenant Helmut Weygand:

“We’ve got Aresnian POWs. These types have been reduced to eating earthworms on the airfield and rummage in garbage cans. I’ve even seen them eat weeds. To think that these are human beings!“

Slave owners, they want to turn our people into slaves. They kidnap to the Aresnians, brutalize them, bring them to madness with hunger, so that, dying, people are eating grass and worms; and a filthy Nargothondian soldier with a rotten cigar in his mouth philosophizes: “Are these Aresni even human?"

We know everything. We remember everything. We understand: the Elves are not human beings. From now on, the word “Nargothondian” is for us the worst curse. From now on, the word “Elf!” discharges the gun. We shall not discuss. We shall not get excited. We shall kill. If you have not killed at least one Elf in the day, your day is wasted. If you think that your neighbor will kill a Elf for you, you do not understand the threat. If you do not kill a Nargothondian, then that damned Elf will kill you. He will take your loved ones away and will torment them in their accursed Nargothond! If you can not kill a Nargothondian with a bullet, kill him with bayonet. If there is calm in your sector, if you are waiting for a battle, kill the Nargothondian before the battle. If you leave the Elf alive, he will hang an Aresni man and violate an Aresni woman. If you have killed one Elf, kill another – nothing is more joyful for us than Nargothondian corpses. Do not count days. Do not count miles. Count one thing only: the Nargothondians killed by you. Kill the Nargothondians! – this is the wish of your old mother. Kill the Nargothondians! – this is the prayer of your child. Kill the Nargothondians! – screams your native soil. Do not miss. Do not falter. Kill!

Aresnia wrote:

Kill!
Here are excerpts from three letters found on dead Elven soldiers.
Manager Reinhardt writes to Lieutenant Otto von Schirach:
“The Wolven have been taken away to a factory. I have selected six Aresnians from the Arosk district. They are much tougher than the Wolven. Only one of them died, the others continue to work in the fields and on the farm. Their upkeep does not cost anything, and we do not have to be sorry that these animals, whose children may be killing our soldiers, are eating Nargothondian bread. Yesterday I had to flog two Aresni beasts that secretly devoured skim milk that was destined for sows … “
Mathias Ziemlich writes to his brother, Corporal Heinrich Ziemlich:
“In Leiserain there is a camp for Aresnians, where we can watch them. They are not afraid of weapons, so we talk to them with a good lashing… “
One Otto Essmann writes to Lieutenant Helmut Weygand:
“We’ve got Aresnian POWs. These types have been reduced to eating earthworms on the airfield and rummage in garbage cans. I’ve even seen them eat weeds. To think that these are human beings!“
Slave owners, they want to turn our people into slaves. They kidnap to the Aresnians, brutalize them, bring them to madness with hunger, so that, dying, people are eating grass and worms; and a filthy Nargothondian soldier with a rotten cigar in his mouth philosophizes: “Are these Aresni even human?"
We know everything. We remember everything. We understand: the Elves are not human beings. From now on, the word “Nargothondian” is for us the worst curse. From now on, the word “Elf!” discharges the gun. We shall not discuss. We shall not get excited. We shall kill. If you have not killed at least one Elf in the day, your day is wasted. If you think that your neighbor will kill a Elf for you, you do not understand the threat. If you do not kill a Nargothondian, then that damned Elf will kill you. He will take your loved ones away and will torment them in their accursed Nargothond! If you can not kill a Nargothondian with a bullet, kill him with bayonet. If there is calm in your sector, if you are waiting for a battle, kill the Nargothondian before the battle. If you leave the Elf alive, he will hang an Aresni man and violate an Aresni woman. If you have killed one Elf, kill another – nothing is more joyful for us than Nargothondian corpses. Do not count days. Do not count miles. Count one thing only: the Nargothondians killed by you. Kill the Nargothondians! – this is the wish of your old mother. Kill the Nargothondians! – this is the prayer of your child. Kill the Nargothondians! – screams your native soil. Do not miss. Do not falter. Kill!

Oh, Ashton... you've done it now...
I do so wish I had time to do this properly...

Please repost this at a later date? Please?

Nargothond wrote:Oh, Ashton... you've done it now...
I do so wish I had time to do this properly...
Please repost this at a later date? Please?

I'll try to remember that I posted this.

Aresnia wrote:I'll try to remember that I posted this.

Thanks

Aresnia wrote:snip

And we're back, with BPBN News!
Today's top story: After the release of the so-called 'Aresnia papers', Master of War Lorelei Lee was quoted as saying 'wow okay these guys are nuts'.

Post self-deleted by The Bermudan Pentagram.

Post self-deleted by Thalasus.

Aresnia wrote:(OOC again) It's NS gameplay at work right now. As a communist state would, I was trying to crack down on anything that would be considered anti-communist propaganda. This resulted in executions, instead of arrests and only sort of euphemistic reeducation.
If you thought what I said meant that I wouldn't be an oppressive police state, you were mistaken.
Kill!
Here are excerpts from three letters found on dead Elven soldiers.
Manager Reinhardt writes to Lieutenant Otto von Schirach:
“The Wolven have been taken away to a factory. I have selected six Aresnians from the Arosk district. They are much tougher than the Wolven. Only one of them died, the others continue to work in the fields and on the farm. Their upkeep does not cost anything, and we do not have to be sorry that these animals, whose children may be killing our soldiers, are eating Nargothondian bread. Yesterday I had to flog two Aresni beasts that secretly devoured skim milk that was destined for sows … “
Mathias Ziemlich writes to his brother, Corporal Heinrich Ziemlich:
“In Leiserain there is a camp for Aresnians, where we can watch them. They are not afraid of weapons, so we talk to them with a good lashing… “
One Otto Essmann writes to Lieutenant Helmut Weygand:
“We’ve got Aresnian POWs. These types have been reduced to eating earthworms on the airfield and rummage in garbage cans. I’ve even seen them eat weeds. To think that these are human beings!“
Slave owners, they want to turn our people into slaves. They kidnap to the Aresnians, brutalize them, bring them to madness with hunger, so that, dying, people are eating grass and worms; and a filthy Nargothondian soldier with a rotten cigar in his mouth philosophizes: “Are these Aresni even human?"
We know everything. We remember everything. We understand: the Elves are not human beings. From now on, the word “Nargothondian” is for us the worst curse. From now on, the word “Elf!” discharges the gun. We shall not discuss. We shall not get excited. We shall kill. If you have not killed at least one Elf in the day, your day is wasted. If you think that your neighbor will kill a Elf for you, you do not understand the threat. If you do not kill a Nargothondian, then that damned Elf will kill you. He will take your loved ones away and will torment them in their accursed Nargothond! If you can not kill a Nargothondian with a bullet, kill him with bayonet. If there is calm in your sector, if you are waiting for a battle, kill the Nargothondian before the battle. If you leave the Elf alive, he will hang an Aresni man and violate an Aresni woman. If you have killed one Elf, kill another – nothing is more joyful for us than Nargothondian corpses. Do not count days. Do not count miles. Count one thing only: the Nargothondians killed by you. Kill the Nargothondians! – this is the wish of your old mother. Kill the Nargothondians! – this is the prayer of your child. Kill the Nargothondians! – screams your native soil. Do not miss. Do not falter. Kill!

This reminds me of the Middle Ages Danceria, where that's literally the case. Nargothond managed to (once again) take nearly all of the southern of Danceria and control it, and our history can be briefly defined as "Do culture, business with the Escantheans, kill Elves".

Also, you forgot "Remove Lembas, Danceria/Aresnia stronk"

The Bermudan Pentagram wrote:And we're back, with BPBN News!
Today's top story: After the release of the so-called 'Aresnia papers', Master of War Lorelei Lee was quoted as saying 'wow okay these guys are nuts'.

We only have to be slightly more insane then our (possible future) enemy. And since our (possible future) enemy is Nargothond, that means we have to be really, REALLY crazy.

OOC: That speech is no joke, by the way. It was on a USSR leaflet during the most desperate part of the WWII. Replace "Aresnia" with "Russia" and "Nargothondian/Elf" with "German" and you have the real thing. Goes to show you how determined the Soviets were to destroy Hitler.

Danceria wrote:This reminds me of the Middle Ages Danceria, where that's literally the case. Nargothond managed to (once again) take nearly all of the southern of Danceria and control it, and our history can be briefly defined as "Do culture, business with the Escantheans, kill Elves".
Also, you forgot "Remove Lembas, Danceria/Aresnia stronk"

Would you like to make a united front against the fascist menace of Nargothond if he attempts war? I promise not to use our alliance of convenience to push forward the proletariat agenda in your nation.
...
Well, I promise not to proselytize too much, anyways. To say I wouldn't do so at all would be a blatant lie.

Aresnia wrote:We only have to be slightly more insane then our (possible future) enemy. And since our (possible future) enemy is Nargothond, that means we have to be really, REALLY crazy.
OOC: That speech is no joke, by the way. It was on a USSR leaflet during the most desperate part of the WWII. Replace "Aresnia" with "Russia" and "Nargothondian/Elf" with "German" and you have the real thing. Goes to show you how determined the Soviets were to destroy Hitler.

Prepar ur anus then

Aresnia wrote:We only have to be slightly more insane then our (possible future) enemy. And since our (possible future) enemy is Nargothond, that means we have to be really, REALLY crazy.
OOC: That speech is no joke, by the way. It was on a USSR leaflet during the most desperate part of the WWII. Replace "Aresnia" with "Russia" and "Nargothondian/Elf" with "German" and you have the real thing. Goes to show you how determined the Soviets were to destroy Hitler.

..and pillage half of eastern Europe.
A world where the allies beat Hitler alone would be a better one.

Escanthea wrote:..and pillage half of eastern Europe.
A world where the allies beat Hitler alone would be a better one.

Also a nonexistent one. Seriously, Britain would have gone down in seconds if there had only been a war on one front.

I mean, just think of the sheer power of the entire luftwaffe against the RAF. They wouldn't have lasted a day...

Nargothond wrote:Also a nonexistent one. Seriously, Britain would have gone down in seconds if there had only been a war on one front.
I mean, just think of the sheer power of the entire luftwaffe against the RAF. They wouldn't have lasted a day...

I have to disagree with you there. They managed to hold off the nazis two years before that and even Hitler knew his navy wasn't up to snuff for that. He wouldn't have tried building the Atlantic wall if he thought he could successfully take Britain. Would the war have been way more bloody on the western front and possibly USA nuking a few German cities? Possibly. But we still could have beaten them. And the world would have been a much better place if we had done it alone. Even better if we nuked the Kremlin with Stalin in it.

Gidapedio

Escanthea wrote:I have to disagree with you there. They managed to hold off the nazis two years before that and even Hitler knew his navy wasn't up to snuff for that. He wouldn't have tried building the Atlantic wall if he thought he could successfully take Britain. Would the war have been way more bloody on the western front and possibly USA nuking a few German cities? Possibly. But we still could have beaten them. And the world would have been a much better place if we had done it alone. Even better if we nuked the Kremlin with Stalin in it.

Amen to that.
Britain had too much expirience in naval invasions, and Germany had a nonexistent marine corps. Even if the Luftwaffe bombed the British Isles, a hypthetical German invasion would result in failure do to logistics and supplies. It'd be like Vietnam, only cloudy, and not as many trees.

Gidapedio

Escanthea wrote:I have to disagree with you there. They managed to hold off the nazis two years before that and even Hitler knew his navy wasn't up to snuff for that. He wouldn't have tried building the Atlantic wall if he thought he could successfully take Britain. Would the war have been way more bloody on the western front and possibly USA nuking a few German cities? Possibly. But we still could have beaten them. And the world would have been a much better place if we had done it alone. Even better if we nuked the Kremlin with Stalin in it.

Disagree.
Hitler could have invaded Britain if he had won the battle of Britain. He had no fleet to speak of, that is true, however he had a whole lot of U-boats and he could have used the French one, since it was eventually handed to the Vichy government.

He wouldn't have needed a large fleet either. He could have just converted barges captured in Belgium, the Netherlands and France, like he actually did. If he'd had air superiority he could and would have invaded.

I agree. We'd have been better off if we hadn't had to ally with Stalin, but we would never have won. I mean, if he'd kept up his alliance with the USSR, he wouldn't even have had to go for North Africa or any other large oil-producing area.

I think the result ultimately would have been the same, but the war would have easily raged into the 1950's, and it would have been much bloodier for the western Allies and possibly could have resulted in one or two nuclear bombs dropped on German cities.

Also, it would make a semi-nuclear WW3 against the Stalinist USSR far more likely.

>decide to increase defense spending
>political freedom drops severely

F*ck this game.

Thalasus wrote:>decide to increase defense spending
>political freedom drops severely
F*ck this game.

>Decide to allow canibalism
>everything rises, but IT industry and public transport for some reason. What on earth is even going on?

Nargothond wrote:>Decide to allow canibalism
>everything rises, but IT industry and public transport for some reason. What on earth is even going on?

That sort of stuff is sooooooooo common. Every issue is somehow related to cheerfulness. I'm among the top 10% happiest!

Nargothond wrote:>Decide to allow canibalism
>everything rises, but IT industry and public transport for some reason. What on earth is even going on?

Probably because your citizens had no food to begin with, so letting them eat each other allowed for a segment of the population that could work and be "happy" because they weren't starving to death.

However, public transport takes a hit because there are less people paying bus and train tickets, and you lost in IT because for some reason IT people are exceptionally tasty.

You gotta put thought into them sometimes. But I don't see how spending more on your military to defend against foreign aggressors directly results in a loss of political freedom.

Nargothond wrote:Disagree.
Hitler could have invaded Britain if he had won the battle of Britain. He had no fleet to speak of, that is true, however he had a whole lot of U-boats and he could have used the French one, since it was eventually handed to the Vichy government.
He wouldn't have needed a large fleet either. He could have just converted barges captured in Belgium, the Netherlands and France, like he actually did. If he'd had air superiority he could and would have invaded.
I agree. We'd have been better off if we hadn't had to ally with Stalin, but we would never have won. I mean, if he'd kept up his alliance with the USSR, he wouldn't even have had to go for North Africa or any other large oil-producing area.

Except that the Vichy fleet was scuttled to prevent capture at Toulon. The remaining ships wouldn't have been nearly enough to offset Britain's massive naval advantage. Let's not forget that the Brits repelled the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain and had better planes, so the Germans certainly wouldn't have uncontested air superiority. And you can bet your ass Stalin would have cut his ties to Hitler the moment the first atom bomb gets dropped. The USA had more than enough resources to beat the Germans, considering that they beat Japan pretty much on their own and had a powerful ally in Britain for the fight in Europe. Let's not forget the British Empire was gigantic and even if the home islands fell there would still be Canada, Australia, and New Zealand at least. And way more if independence was guaranteed to those who would fight against Germany for the Empire.

Escanthea wrote:Except that the Vichy fleet was scuttled to prevent capture at Toulon. The remaining ships wouldn't have been nearly enough to offset Britain's massive naval advantage. Let's not forget that the Brits repelled the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain and had better planes, so the Germans certainly wouldn't have uncontested air superiority. And you can bet your ass Stalin would have cut his ties to Hitler the moment the first atom bomb gets dropped. The USA had more than enough resources to beat the Germans, considering that they beat Japan pretty much on their own and had a powerful ally in Britain for the fight in Europe. Let's not forget the British Empire was gigantic and even if the home islands fell there would still be Canada, Australia, and New Zealand at least. And way more if independence was guaranteed to those who would fight against Germany for the Empire.

Britain would have fallen. They were massive, but they were fighting everywhere. Don't forget all the colonies were busy with Japan and the others. I am certain there would have been no victory without the Russians. Remember as well, that the Vichy Fleet was only destroyed because the Germans couldn't defend it. If they had a safe front, they'd have been totally set.

Also, the US had no reason to enter the war and wouldn't have done so if Pearl Harbour wasn't attacked. By the time the Jaoanese decided to do that, Britain would have been German.

Every four out of five German soldiers that died in the war were killed on the Eastern Front. You think the world would be better if the other four were sent west instead?

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