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Quick question because I was really busy during debate Islonia, but does "The signatories will not invade or assist in a third-party invasion of the other signatory's home region or territories. The signatories also agree never to support, encourage or engage in any attempted subversion against the other. It is agreed upon that participating on the opposite sides of a battlefield in a third-party region will not constitute a violation of the treaty" mean that we can not detag the regions they hit and vice versa? I'm not sure what territories means in this context.

I'll vote Aye

Porfloxia wrote:Quick question because I was really busy during debate Islonia, but does "The signatories will not invade or assist in a third-party invasion of the other signatory's home region or territories. The signatories also agree never to support, encourage or engage in any attempted subversion against the other. It is agreed upon that participating on the opposite sides of a battlefield in a third-party region will not constitute a violation of the treaty" mean that we can not detag the regions they hit and vice versa? I'm not sure what territories means in this context.

Territories are regions under the direct jurisdiction of one signatory's law/government. For example, the Senate region is a territory. So we can retag/detag LWU's hits and vice versa.

Now we have stopped voting on the treaty, and it has passed 6-0-1

Equal Rights Act

by Speaker marvinville

Equal Rights Act

Author: Of altonianic islands
Sponsors: Of altonianic islands & Vedenmark
As Amended By: Toerana V, Marvinville, Solittus & Porfloxia

Preamble:

Hereby amends the following to L.R. 051 and L.R. 039,

Congress hereby agrees,

To remove Article VI and replace with the following:

Section I - Any Thaecian citizen can author and sponsor legislation.

Section II - In order for a bill to be legitimate and be eligible for debate, it must contain a bill name, an author, and a sponsor.

Section III - If the bill is sponsored by a representative, the chamber leader may only refuse to put a bill on the docket or request the author rewrite the bill if it contains profanity, inappropriate, or offensive language. If the bill is not sponsored by a representative, the chamber leader may refuse to put a bill on the docket or request the author rewrite the bill for any reason.

To remove L.R. 051, Article I, Section IV and replace with the following:

Section IV - It is the duty and role of the leader of each chamber to maintain order, set the chamber's agenda (including organizing debates, votes, and maintaining a legislative docket), and fulfill all other responsibilities enshrined in this Act.

1. The leader of a chamber must put a bill to debate and consequently voting after the conclusion of ongoing business if it has been sponsored by at least 3/5ths of the chamber's members or by at least 12 citizens, and the author of the bill requests that it be given priority.

a. A chamber may only be forced to debate and vote on a bill sponsored by at least 20 citizens without at least 3/5ths of the chamber's members once every 10 days.

2. If a representative is breaking the rules set out in Article XI , the leader of the chamber may suspend them from speaking on the floor.

To amend L.R. 051, Article XIII:

Section I - Tabling occurs when ongoing chamber business is sidelined by the chamber leader to make way for more urgent business.

Section II - In the event a bill is tabled, its entitled debate and voting times are reset for when it goes back on the floor.

Section III - The chamber leader has the right to table any business at any time.

1. This right is revoked if the bill has been sponsored by at least 3/5ths of the Chamber's members or by at least 20 citizens.
2. Motions of no confidence cannot be tabled.

Section IV - This decision may be overruled by a Chamber veto, in which case the business will be immediately brought back to the floor.

1. A veto shall be defined as a dispatch signed by a majority of the Chamber's members.

Article I

The bill's authors, sponsors, and those who amended it if applicable must be named if applicable.

Article II

The bill's authors, sponsors, and those who amended it if applicable must be named if applicable.

Read dispatch

we're debating the Equal Rights Act again. It seems the House amended some stuff back but I'm not sure if I support it. I largely agree with what Porflox said initially that if nobody wants to sponsor a bill, nobody will vote for it

Sevae submitting this amendment:

Section III - If the bill is sponsored by a representative, the chamber leader may only refuse to put a bill on the docket or request the author rewrite the bill if it contains profanity, inappropriate, or offensive language. If the bill is not sponsored by a representative, the chamber leader may refuse to put a bill on the docket or request the author rewrite the bill for any reason.

Read dispatch

Note that the Marv's dispatch of the bills has not been updated with House amendments.

The amendment is the same exact thing as the old one that passed the senate, but that the House removed.
Original debate on this amendment starts here: page=rmb/postid=47760588

I'd also like to note that I may be unable to contribute in any way to Senate affairs for the rest of the term. If it is possible to do so and Sevae agrees to do so, I'd like the rest of my votes for the term to mirror their's (except on things that I write- I'd like to vote for all of those if unamended). If it is not possible to do so, you can assume that I will be abstaining from all votes for the remainder of the term and voting can end before I place a vote.

Chair sevae

well, luckily for you an abstention is the same as mirroring others' votes so I'll record all your votes but this one as such

alright let's amend it back, nobody is stopping us from doing so, and I still believe this version is better

I believe the current version is good, the bill itself was neat in my opinion. However, the amends from the house does good for the bills purpose as a whole.

Chair sevae wrote:well, luckily for you an abstention is the same as mirroring others' votes so I'll record all your votes but this one as such

alright let's amend it back, nobody is stopping us from doing so, and I still believe this version is better

A representative may be allowed to cast their vote for a bill or amendment in advance should they signal that they might not otherwise be available during the regular voting period, provided no amendments pass on the bill

Just ftr if you amend any bills you can't recognise his vote as Abstain and you have to let the time run out

we're voting on the amendment

aye

Nay

Nay

Nay

Back from the dead to vote aye

Nay

Nay

amendment voting is over. We're voting on the Equal Rights Act

Equal Rights Act

by Speaker marvinville

Equal Rights Act

Author: Of altonianic islands
Sponsors: Of altonianic islands & Vedenmark
As Amended By: Toerana V, Marvinville, Solittus & Porfloxia

Preamble:

Hereby amends the following to L.R. 051 and L.R. 039,

Congress hereby agrees,

To remove Article VI and replace with the following:

Section I - Any Thaecian citizen can author and sponsor legislation.

Section II - In order for a bill to be legitimate and be eligible for debate, it must contain a bill name, an author, and a sponsor.

Section III - If the bill is sponsored by a representative, the chamber leader may only refuse to put a bill on the docket or request the author rewrite the bill if it contains profanity, inappropriate, or offensive language. If the bill is not sponsored by a representative, the chamber leader may refuse to put a bill on the docket or request the author rewrite the bill for any reason.

To remove L.R. 051, Article I, Section IV and replace with the following:

Section IV - It is the duty and role of the leader of each chamber to maintain order, set the chamber's agenda (including organizing debates, votes, and maintaining a legislative docket), and fulfill all other responsibilities enshrined in this Act.

1. The leader of a chamber must put a bill to debate and consequently voting after the conclusion of ongoing business if it has been sponsored by at least 3/5ths of the chamber's members or by at least 12 citizens, and the author of the bill requests that it be given priority.

a. A chamber may only be forced to debate and vote on a bill sponsored by at least 20 citizens without at least 3/5ths of the chamber's members once every 10 days.

2. If a representative is breaking the rules set out in Article XI , the leader of the chamber may suspend them from speaking on the floor.

To amend L.R. 051, Article XIII:

Section I - Tabling occurs when ongoing chamber business is sidelined by the chamber leader to make way for more urgent business.

Section II - In the event a bill is tabled, its entitled debate and voting times are reset for when it goes back on the floor.

Section III - The chamber leader has the right to table any business at any time.

1. This right is revoked if the bill has been sponsored by at least 3/5ths of the Chamber's members or by at least 20 citizens.
2. Motions of no confidence cannot be tabled.

Section IV - This decision may be overruled by a Chamber veto, in which case the business will be immediately brought back to the floor.

1. A veto shall be defined as a dispatch signed by a majority of the Chamber's members.

Article I

The bill's authors, sponsors, and those who amended it if applicable must be named if applicable.

Article II

The bill's authors, sponsors, and those who amended it if applicable must be named if applicable.

Read dispatch

Nay

Aye

Aye

Nay

Nay

Nay

Aye

Chair sevae

Voting is over! The Equal Rights Act has failed 3-4-0, yay

We are again debating the Military act thing whatever it's called as amended by the House

Military Structure Reform Act

Author: Brototh & Islonia
Sponsor: Marvinville
As Amended By: Sunipi, Islonia, Marvinville, Vedenmark & Porfloxia

Preamble:

Understanding the Thaempirial Army has become a vital part of the region's culture, foreign affairs, and recruitment,
Wishing to ensure said vital part of the region is run with the upmost efficiency,
Noting the errors throughout the entire original bill,
Believing the best way to resolve these problems is to replace the Military Commission Act,

Congress hereby agrees,

  • Section I - There shall be a Thaempirial Army, which shall have the duty of protecting the interregional sphere and contributing to Thaecian interests abroad. The Thaempirial Army shall consist of the Prime Minister, The Minister of Defense, subordinate officers and loyal soldiers.

  • Section II – There shall be an established Minister of Defense, informally known as the Tagus, nominated by the Prime Minister,

    • Section IIa – Whose duties it shall be to create military policy consistent with the Government's foreign affairs,

    • Section IIb – To engage in Military affairs, domestic, interregional and;

    • Section IIc – To maintain and coordinate a Thaempirial Army.

  • Section III - The Minister of Defense must be confirmed with a simple majority vote in the Senate.

  • Section IV - The Minister of Defense can be removed by either:

    • Section IVa - Unilateral dismissal by the Prime Minister,

    • Section IVb - A two thirds vote in the Senate.

  • Section I - The Thaempirial Army shall have the Prime Minister as its Chief in Command and the Minister of Defense as the operational most senior officer.

  • Section II - The Thaempirial Army shall have the responsibility to, where appropriate: uphold interregional military engagements, provide military assistance to allies, protect and forward collective Thaecian interests abroad and domestically.

  • Section III - The Executive shall whenever making use of the Thaempirial Army for any purpose inform and interact with all members of the Senate as equal partners. The Prime Minister as the highest officer shall retain the right to block or command military operations and has the responsibility to do so where it would be productive for collective Thaecian interests.

  • Section IV - The Senate retains the right to veto the Thaempirial Army's participation in any military operation by way of a simple majority vote. Such a vote may be conducted in private in order to retain operational security so long as all Senators are able to access debate (if there is one) and the vote. Should the veto vote succeed, the Thaempirial Army must cease and desist engagement in the operation immediately. If a simple majority of all voting senators who did not abstain vote to veto an operation prior to the Thaempirial Army engaging in an operation, the Thaempirial Army must not engage in the operation until a majority of all voting senators who did not abstain vote to allow the Thaempirial Army to engage in the operation.

  • Section V - The Thaempirial Army must inform the Senate of any operation it engages or plans to engage in as soon as possible. The Thaempirial Army may not engage in an operation that is not listed below unless it has informed the Senate of the operation at least 12 hours prior.

    1. Tagging,

    2. Detagging,

    3. Chasing,

    4. Training in a region(s) specifically created for Thaempirial training operations,

    5. Delegacy transition and;

    6. Liberation/siege,

  • Section VI - If the Prime Minister, Minister of Defense, and Chairperson of the Senate agree that the nature of the operation requires it, the Executive may choose not to inform the Senate about an ongoing operation during the first 12 hours of said operation. After either said operation has ceased, or the 12 hours have elapsed (whichever comes first) a senior military official must brief the Senate on that operation.

  • Section I - The Thaempirial Army shall never undertake a griefing operation.

  • Section II - Griefing shall be defined as refounding of an occupied region, closing of over 200 embassies in a single occupied region, applying passwords to an occupied region, or the ejection/banjection of natives of occupied regions.

    • Section IIa - A native shall be defined as a resident of a region who is not residing in the region for a primarily military purpose. Natives who provide military support to would-be liberators of their region are still guaranteed the protections of this article.

  • Section III - Members of the Thaempirial Army shall report griefing by any Thaecian or by a member of another organization with which the Thaempirial Army is collaborating with the Minister of Defense. Should a member of the Thaempirial Army become aware of griefing in these circumstances but knowingly fails to report it, they may be expelled from the Thaempirial Army.

  • Section IV - If the Thaempirial Army has taken part in an operation that griefs a region, the whole organization will be required to withdraw from the operation as soon as possible. A Thaempirial Army member who defies the order to withdraw from the operation in question shall be expelled from the Thaempirial Army and shall never be readmitted.

    • Section IVa - The Thaempirial Army must inform operation participants that the Thaempirial Army has a zero tolerance on griefing prior to it participating in any operation that has any reasonable possibility of involving griefing. If a participant declares their intention to grief, or it is disclosed that the operation is of a griefing nature, the Thaempirial Army shall not take part in that operation unless said participant agrees not to grief, or said participant is removed from the operation.

  • Section V - This article shall not apply to regions that are of a bigoted ideology in nature or regions designed specifically for training operations.

    • Section Va - The Senate may also, at the request of the Prime Minister or Minister of Defense and by a motion passed with a two thirds majority in the Senate, exclude any region from the protections afforded by this article; this vote may take place in private to ensure operational security provided all Senators are able to access the vote and debate stage (if the latter does occur).

  • Section I - The Thaempirial Army may not admit anyone who has been tried and found guilty of treason or espionage. If a member of the Thaempirial Army is found guilty of treason, they will be immediately expelled. They may only be allowed back into the Thaempirial Army if a Court with the legal power to do so overturns a decision to find them guilty.

  • Section II - A nation may be removed from the Thaempirial Army at the will of the Prime Minister or Minister of Defense should they think it is beneficial to do so.

  • Section III - A nation can appeal their removal to the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defense. If they both approve the reinstatement, the nation will be reinstated, provided they still fulfill the requirements in Section I. If the appeal is rejected, said nation may only appeal again after a period of 2 (two) months.

  • Section IV - The Prime Minister and Minister of Defense have permission to create any ranks underneath the Minister of Defense that they may wish and promote and demote nations as they wish.

  • Section I - Should the Minister of Defense be found to have failed to inform the Senate, they shall be guilty of having committed an offence at the level of a Felony, as defined by LR 044, and should be punished in the same manner. Provided that the Prime Minister knew of the operation, and vice versa, they shall be considered complicit in this and shall be punished in the same manner.

  • Section II - Any nation violating the following articles and sections shall be guilty of offences at the following levels, as defined by LR 044, and should be punished in the same manner:

    • Article III Section III - Felony

    • Article III Section IV - Treason

  • Section III - Should a military official lead the Thaempirial Army into an operation that they have been informed will be of a griefing nature without any way of changing this intent, they shall be guilty of having committed treason, as defined by LR 044, and should be punished in the same manner.

  • Section IV - Should any nation be otherwise found in violation of this law, the appropriate authorities shall be made to rectify the mistake immediately; should they not, the High Court should issue a court ruling determining the correct, legal course of action.

  • Section I - The passage of this bill constitutes the repeal of L.R. 044 Military Commission Act.

  • Section I - If at the time of the passage of this bill there is an incumbent Secretary of Defense, said incumbent Secretary of Defense will continue to occupy their position as the Minister of Defense.

  • The Ministry of Defence shall be exempt from the restriction of a nation holding multiple ministries as laid out in LR 048.

  • At the conclusion of the current Prime Ministerial term at the time of this bill's passage, this Article will be repealed by this clause.


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Some small amendments passed but they didn't change much so I'm still in favour of the bill as it is

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