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United-Viking wrote:

so am i i'm more in roleplay like diplomats or king meeting king and know each other and trust each other and learn about the nations culture etc etc before signing a pact

King meeting king was extremely rare like, ever, unless one king came to subjugate the other and conquer their lands. Even then, it wasn't done all the time.

Sovarion wrote:

These two statements contradict each other greatly

I don't see how.

Sovarion wrote:

These two statements contradict each other greatly

How so? I wish to earn allies by using diplomacy on how a real diplomat, world leader or politician acts.
I stated that I wish to act like a politician and do the necessary steps in earning allies, which, mind you, is not simple,
and I also stated that I have friends in mind that I wish to ally, but I don't know the steps in doing so.

Mestovakia wrote:

Hi.

new capital and leader i see ?

Mestovakia wrote:

Hi.

Ah, perfect, you are online.
Sadly I cannot really do diplomacy today as it's late at night, but, tomorrow. I'm going to start to build relations with you.
That is, if you agree? I don't want to force diplomats on you.

Araentis wrote:

I'm new, I dont know how things are round here, so I got no freinds or allies, plus I think I might be kicked out :(

Why do you think that,?

Katrzynija wrote:

Why do you think that,?

hey katrzynija ! long times ...

Araentis wrote:

I'm new, I dont know how things are round here, so I got no freinds or allies, plus I think I might be kicked out :(

You haven't broken any rules, and you're not going to get kicked out unless you do. And if you want allies, you need to have your nation be outgoing in some way that isn't just writing "I need allies." You need to initiate some sort of diplomatic contact.

Katrzynija wrote:

Why do you think that,?

United-Viking wrote:

why you think you will get kicked out ?

I wont bring it up again, but because of earlier

Sovarion wrote:

Because world leaders all come from the same school, and they're taught that a nation has only interests. Some are friends, but these friendships are always formed around a common interest and not just the sheer power of friendship. Sometimes your nation's best interest would be to antagonize your friends, or get closer to your enemies. Many times world leaders have to be two steps ahead of the game because that's simply how the world has always functioned. Power plays are very fast and a good situation can become dire over a few wrong words, or over decades of external influence right under your nose.

I'm not saying that this is what you should have in mind, just that this is how politics work in the real world for the most part.

...this is wildly incorrect.

And also doesn't explain how their statements were contradictory.

Wubdich wrote:

...this is wildly incorrect.

Correct me then.

Sovarion wrote:

Because world leaders all come from the same school, and they're taught that a nation has only interests. Some are friends, but these friendships are always formed around a common interest and not just the sheer power of friendship. Sometimes your nation's best interest would be to antagonize your friends, or get closer to your enemies. Many times world leaders have to be two steps ahead of the game because that's simply how the world has always functioned. Power plays are very fast and a good situation can become dire over a few wrong words, or over decades of external influence right under your nose.

I'm not saying that this is what you should have in mind, just that this is how politics work in the real world for the most part.

Thanks for your input. I will keep that in mind. I clearly don't have much knowledge in how politics works, so this is helpful.

Mestovakia wrote:

Oh, sure! I'm trying to decide on what my nation will be like, though.

Brilliant! And i'm sure you'll figure it out, you just gotta stick with it this time.

Araentis wrote:

I'm not sure how I'd initiate that, guess I got alot to learn

Thankyou for being reassuring

Trust me, don't just think because you have none of the information we have, that means you arent welcome.
You are welcome, it takes time to adjust.

Sovarion wrote:

Correct me then.

Firstly pointing out how this explanation did not explain how Rieosa was contradicting themselves.

Secondly, leaders are not all from the same school. May it be the thought of them having gone by different professions in the past, or how they approach politics.

Thirdly, all political situations nowadays are accompanied by inherited relations. France won't be breaking up with Germany just because Germany advocates to have some better economic ties with Russia. Russia won't become Germany's best friend just because of some economic deals. And none of them will change their stance on the US due to their main agenda - otherwise, Trump would have been the end of American diplomacy, because everyone in Eurasia really didn't like him, and it was a common interest to distance oneself from Trump. So, no, diplomacy isn't that black and white.

Fourth, as in the example of the former Eastern Block states (excluding Russia, Belarus, Ukraine), 'friendship' as basic as it sounds does unite countries. The Baltics cannot be divided, no matter their different individual policies. Poland, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary trust eachother blindly because of shared history, even with eachother having criticism on certain policies and stances. Yet, they present a diplomatic block in Europe that is hard to divide.