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Provisional democracy of atlantis

Banditostania wrote:Well.....no......no....and no. Complete oil dependency. Authoritarian oligarchy government and sometimes even shooting workers demonstarttion such as in Zhanaozen 2011

I... I meant like geography wise... but I see your point... friend in Indonesia with a similar thing... dealing with my Nation’s Puppet leader there.

Provisional democracy of atlantis wrote:It literally said they worked with the major domestic terror organization that orchestrated that violence and oppression...

Bosnia as a country goes back to 1154 with the Bosnian Banate.

The Montenegrin state dates back to 625 with Duklja as a vassal state of the Byzantines

Also idk how genocide helps your goals in “reclaiming” land which was never your peoples in the first place. Or bring about a “glorious past age” which never really existed. I actually have friends whose families were in Bosnia when the Serbs were genociding the Bosnians and Montenegrins. Do you want to hear about how the UN watched as Serbian militias cut down Women and children? Tell me, How’d that help your debts? I’m all for criticizing the state communists, but that doesn’t justify genocide against a people who weren’t responsible for that. And before you say it, Tito was a Slovenian, not a slovak jew or whatever theory you people are running with now. I’ve heard it all.
At the moment? The same way we have been for the past 200 years. Propaganda of the deed. Unions, organization, education and revolution. My plan? Abolish the state. We don’t work in electoralism... that’s the Auth-Left’s job. Our job is to just vote to not make things worst.Interesting. I hear it’s a pretty country.

So, just because it's a separate state, it doesn't mean that the same people live there?

Sveserbia wrote:Why did the camps have hospitals and maternity wards if they were gonna kill them anyway? How could wooden doors with windows keep the gas in the chambers? Why do numerous examinations of camps such as Auschwitz, Treblinka, Majdanek etc. show that there are no signs of Zyklon B being used in those chambers? How could they cremate so many people in just 4-5 years, if burning just one body with today's standards takes 2-3 hours, and stacking bodies in the ovens would make it even longer? It's mathematically impossible. Why does research show that there are no mass graves in many of those camps? How come much of Anne Frank's diary was written with a ball point pen, when they weren't invented until the 1950s? Why do they keep changing the number of killed Jews on the Auschwitz memorial plate, and yet still claim that the total was 6 million? If 6 million were killed, why did the Jewish population in the world after the war increase instead of decrease? Why would the nazis kill off free labor force?

Hospitals-for guards and prisoners experementation.
No signs of used Zyklon-B. Obyknowennii Fascism. Recommend to watch. Who said they used only gas chambers. Basic shootings,executions and everything else. And of course militia from local traitors.
Increased-Israel.
I dont know a heck about all that Ann Frank stuff. For Im talking about the Eastern Front.
Nazis killing labour force-logic error. If you can work-you work. Once you get exhausted-you die.
Tell that stuff to my grandfather, the second one,qhich enlisted in the army. He was captured in first months. He was quite bulky. And returned to home being thinner than a mathstick.

Provisional democracy of atlantis wrote:I... I meant like geography wise... but I see your point... friend in Indonesia with a similar thing... dealing with my Nation’s Puppet leader there.

Well geographically...Only on North and South east.

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Sveserbia wrote:So, just because it's a separate state, it doesn't mean that the same people live there?

People live there but there are places where it’s mostly mixed and comprised of fully Muslim Bosnians. And montenegro is just fully Montenegrin. Actually probably the only thing russia and the Us actually agree on is Montenegro. Even Yugoslavia’s records list the top three populations as Serbs, croats and Muslims.

Ah.

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Banditostania wrote:Well geographically...Only on North and South east.

Well my country is throwing people into concentration camps so y’know. Interesting times.

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Xeriande wrote:Ah.

hA

Provisional democracy of atlantis wrote:Well my country is throwing people into concentration camps so y’know. Interesting times.

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Banditostania wrote:?

Oh you don’t know about what the US is doing at the mexican-american the border do you?

Provisional democracy of atlantis wrote:hA

HA.

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Sveserbia wrote:So, just because it's a separate state, it doesn't mean that the same people live there?

Ah,and yes. Tell that stuff about good nazis to villagers of Khatyn,Dremlevo,Vyada,Zatishye and othera

Provisional democracy of atlantis wrote:Oh you don’t know about what the US is doing at the mexican-american the border do you?

Ah.....this. No,havent heard anything about it. I thought just jails but....concentration camps.

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Banditostania wrote:Ah.....this. No,havent heard anything about it. I thought just jails but....concentration camps.

Historians, reporters and inspectors from several agencies, human rights groups and so on and so forth declared them concentration camps. Even bipartisan commissions declared the same thing. Several people have died from exposure and abuse as well.

Banditostania wrote:Hospitals-for guards and prisoners experementation.
No signs of used Zyklon-B. Obyknowennii Fascism. Recommend to watch. Who said they used only gas chambers. Basic shootings,executions and everything else. And of course militia from local traitors.
Increased-Israel.
I dont know a heck about all that Ann Frank stuff. For Im talking about the Eastern Front.
Nazis killing labour force-logic error. If you can work-you work. Once you get exhausted-you die.
Tell that stuff to my grandfather, the second one,qhich enlisted in the army. He was captured in first months. He was quite bulky. And returned to home being thinner than a mathstick.

The ballpoint pen was invented in 1888 by John J. Loud

Provisional democracy of atlantis wrote:Historians, reporters and inspectors from several agencies, human rights groups and so on and so forth declared them concentration camps. Even bipartisan commissions declared the same thing. Several people have died from exposure and abuse as well.The ballpoint pen was invented in 1888 by John J. Loud

Well......damn. We have a long way to go until our government will decide to do this..

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Banditostania wrote:Well......damn. We have a long way to go until our government will decide to do this..

Well i’m sure you and your comrades there will take care of it before it ever gets too close.

Provisional democracy of atlantis wrote:Well i’m sure you and your comrades there will take care of it before it ever gets too close.

I cant say that it will go out like you say......Our Communist party is just.......weak,it barely got 2%. Although Im making hell lot of propagabda of communist ideas among my friends.
Government acts directly anti-communist saying about famine and camps although they forgot that exactly they gave them all infrastructure,industry,hell damn,and a lot more including their language script

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Banditostania wrote:I cant say that it will go out like you say......Our Communist party is just.......weak,it barely got 2%. Although Im making hell lot of propagabda of communist ideas among my friends.
Government acts directly anti-communist saying about famine and camps although they forgot that exactly they gave them all infrastructure,industry,hell damn,and a lot more including their language script

See in america and the western hemisphere as a whole it’s a bit more promising. Groups like the IWW, Negra Rosa and Redneck revolt have been making gains. There’s also the dsa. While we don’t have much electoral support i think we have maybe 15-20 million leftists in the Western hemisphere together.

Provisional democracy of atlantis wrote:See in america and the western hemisphere as a whole it’s a bit more promising. Groups like the IWW, Negra Rosa and Redneck revolt have been making gains. There’s also the dsa. While we don’t have much electoral support i think we have maybe 15-20 million leftists in the Western hemisphere together.

Well. In post Soviet we can collect around 20-30 million communists. Just communists.

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Banditostania wrote:Well. In post Soviet we can collect around 20-30 million communists. Just communists.

*jaw drop* yo you can like start a revolution with that. Just gotta organize it.

Provisional democracy of atlantis wrote:*jaw drop* yo you can like start a revolution with that. Just gotta organize it.

Yep,but the problem is.....well.....how can I say it.....2 problems
Main Communist Parties prefer elections and peacefull stuff.
Minor indeed make active propaganda among the workers and stuff,but everyone consider them as marginals
Russia-Putin. Well damn yes. Putin. PR bastard. Exactly the one who breeds anti-Soviet plots sponsoring anti soviet activity,hell damn he opened a monument to Solzhenyzin,author of "Archipelag GULag". His " rebuilding" of the state got him a lot of supporters.
Ukraine-Communist party is banned as well as all Communist symbolics. Besides that,Nationalosm and praising of Stepan Bandera and Shushkevich.
Central Asia-Complicated. I already tokd you about sitiation in my country. Local left elements just became hopeless.
Baltic-same as Ukraine. Only remnants of Russians support Communism.
Second problem-Authoritarianism. If you is a policeman in Russia-you can retire in age of 55. OMON(swat)-50. And so on. Police forces got high salaries and quite good equipment.
Rosgvardya(national guard) is the biggest problem. All governments spend a lot on anti communist propaganda. And it works. It began to work since Gorbachev when his "liberties" led to collapse of USSR

Sirrufia

Banditostania wrote:Well. In post Soviet we can collect around 20-30 million communists. Just communists.

Dude, that number is pretty dang high... I don't think it is that much. Max, few mil of TRUE Communists, not relics of failed Socialist past, clinging to cheap sausage..

Provisional democracy of atlantis wrote:*jaw drop* yo you can like start a revolution with that. Just gotta organize it.

Why? Communist/Bolshevik government failed miserably, replaced by Dictatorship, and then stagnating Socialism, and then got dismantled by its' own people as well as oligarchs. I think Post Soviet people learned their lesson. Also, crap ton of Post Soviet bloc are now pro-West, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, [and Ukraine] being prime examples. Ain't no Communist revolution possible in those at this point. Mainland Russian population are now mostly brainwashed for Put-in, and few pockets of resistance are few and far between. Maybe there is a chance of, as you said, organizing, but again, who will take the lead? Gotta have that charismatic leader who can draw and unite everyone, and there are very little of those in Russia at this time.

Sirrufia wrote:Dude, that number is pretty dang high... I don't think it is that much. Max, few mil of TRUE Communists, not relics of failed Socialist past, clinging to cheap sausage..

Why? Communist/Bolshevik government failed miserably, replaced by Dictatorship, and then stagnating Socialism, and then got dismantled by its' own people as well as oligarchs. I think Post Soviet people learned their lesson. Also, crap ton of Post Soviet bloc are now pro-West, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, [and Ukraine] being prime examples. Ain't no Communist revolution possible in those at this point. Mainland Russian population are now mostly brainwashed for Put-in, and few pockets of resistance are few and far between. Maybe there is a chance of, as you said, organizing, but again, who will take the lead? Gotta have that charismatic leader who can draw and unite everyone, and there are very little in Russia at this time.

I wouldnt say USSR government became that tyrannical. Stalin wanted to push in free electiona,but this idea was rejected by the party which feared foe its positions. This elections could have allowed even non-party alligned people to elect themselves.
Stagnation-Kinda. But still,WAY,WAY,way better than modern situation.

Banditostania wrote:I wouldnt say USSR government became that tyrannical. Stalin wanted to push in free electiona,but this idea was rejected by the party which feared foe its positions. This elections could have allowed even non-party alligned people to elect themselves.
Stagnation-Kinda. But still,WAY,WAY,way better than modern situation.

No doubt, right now, the situation is absolute joke, all around. Kazakhstan just renamed their damn capital after still living President! Nursultan Street, in Nursultan City, in Nursultan province, in Nursultan country. Moscow is the only decent place in Russia, besides St. Petersburg, other regions are reeling in poverty. But there are better solutions than going back to Socialist [not true Communism mind you] paradise. True Communism cannot work in a country the size of Soviet Union. Better it be actual democratic elections, with corruption, sure, but at least without the blatant propaganda and lies. Democratic governments at least make their lies believable and somewhat creative.

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Banditostania wrote:Yep,but the problem is.....well.....how can I say it.....2 problems
Main Communist Parties prefer elections and peacefull stuff.
Minor indeed make active propaganda among the workers and stuff,but everyone consider them as marginals
Russia-Putin. Well damn yes. Putin. PR bastard. Exactly the one who breeds anti-Soviet plots sponsoring anti soviet activity,hell damn he opened a monument to Solzhenyzin,author of "Archipelag GULag". His " rebuilding" of the state got him a lot of supporters.
Ukraine-Communist party is banned as well as all Communist symbolics. Besides that,Nationalosm and praising of Stepan Bandera and Shushkevich.
Central Asia-Complicated. I already tokd you about sitiation in my country. Local left elements just became hopeless.
Baltic-same as Ukraine. Only remnants of Russians support Communism.
Second problem-Authoritarianism. If you is a policeman in Russia-you can retire in age of 55. OMON(swat)-50. And so on. Police forces got high salaries and quite good equipment.
Rosgvardya(national guard) is the biggest problem. All governments spend a lot on anti communist propaganda. And it works. It began to work since Gorbachev when his "liberties" led to collapse of USSR

I see. I’m sorry to hear that.

Sirrufia wrote:Dude, that number is pretty dang high... I don't think it is that much. Max, few mil of TRUE Communists, not relics of failed Socialist past, clinging to cheap sausage..

Why? Communist/Bolshevik government failed miserably, replaced by Dictatorship, and then stagnating Socialism, and then got dismantled by its' own people as well as oligarchs. I think Post Soviet people learned their lesson. Also, crap ton of Post Soviet bloc are now pro-West, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, [and Ukraine] being prime examples. Ain't no Communist revolution possible in those at this point. Mainland Russian population are now mostly brainwashed for Put-in, and few pockets of resistance are few and far between. Maybe there is a chance of, as you said, organizing, but again, who will take the lead? Gotta have that charismatic leader who can draw and unite everyone, and there are very little of those in Russia at this time.

I think every nation has extreme revolutionary potential regardless of where they are. The eastern european peoples are peoples whose history is deeply engrained in craftsmanship and their push for freedoms. Perhaps Bolshevik model isn’t for them at the moment but perhaps in time they’ll turn around. I mean my nation is the same in alot of ways, tho spode and ahnley may call me foolish optimist in the face of their pragmatic cynicism.

Sirrufia wrote:No doubt, right now, the situation is absolute joke, all around. Kazakhstan just renamed their damn capital after still living President! Nursultan Street, in Nursultan City, in Nursultan province, in Nursultan country. Moscow is the only decent place in Russia, besides St. Petersburg, other regions are reeling in poverty. But there are better solutions than going back to Socialist [not true Communism mind you] paradise. True Communism cannot work in a country the size of Soviet Union. Better it be actual democratic elections, with corruption, sure, but at least without the blatant propaganda and lies. Democratic governments at least make their lies believable and somewhat creative.

Democracies are inherently exclusive and tyrannical. The soviet union fell for a lot of reasons. Yes communism stagnates because it doesn’t need to expand more than it needs to provide for peoples’s needs. And no that doesn’t mean daily bread rations from the glorious leader. The Soviet union maybe could’ve better worked it’s Grain economy and and refocused it’s efforts.

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