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Perpetuam wrote:

And that's kid proves the eternal glory of socialist model. Glory to our comrades !

Glory!

Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich wrote:

That changes nothing, the people under that ideology will still be oppressed and starved.

Theoretical communism, Marxism and Bolshevism have never been put into practice.. they were all overtaken by militant autocratic oligarchies. Marxist communism and socialism aren't the same.. the former is very well defined by Marx-engels in TCM. the latter actually informed Marx, who took his hints from brit, french and german socialists

Read actual books on political theory as well as source materials. Don't depend on anything online or on youtube if you want to be well educated on the facts

Dreamersistan wrote:

Theoretical communism, Marxism and Bolshevism have never been put into practice.. they were all overtaken by militant autocratic oligarchies. Marxist communism and socialism aren't the same.. the former is very well defined by Marx-engels in TCM. the latter actually informed Marx, who took his hints from brit, french and german socialists

Read actual books on political theory as well as source materials. Don't depend on anything online or on youtube if you want to be well educated on the facts

Was IC but alright. I did actually learn a couple things about the ideology of Fascism and how it compares to other ideologies at the time of it's existence, but i'm not so good with Communism and Socialism. And though I will never be a supporter of either of those I am interested to learn about them. Anything you recommend to start with?

Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich wrote:

That changes nothing, the people under that ideology will still be oppressed and starved.

Not oppressed, guided. Not starved, glorious !

Karatol-Advenra wrote:

Good Day Comrade!

Good day at you too, Comrade !

Dreamersistan wrote:

For communism, there's nothing better than the Communist Manifesto. Get it from the bearded horses' mouth.. Marx went on and on about how the world would transition and move. It's very strictly defined because it's one man's very specific ideology. Das Kapital provides more insight and detail into how Karl came to his rhondedendroned ideas

Socialism has existed in various forms throughout the ages. Uruk, the first confirmed industrial agricultural settlement, shows signs of public roads. In itself a socialist idea. A Short History of Socialism by lichtheim and 'case for socialism' by Maas are easy to read and accurate.

For the whole shebang there are 1200-2000 page 2 to 4-volume oxford and penguin book on political theory. If you start today, you'll be done by the time you're middle aged

Alright well how would you say trying to actually apply Marx's ideology would work out?

Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich wrote:

Alright well how would you say trying to actually apply Marx's ideology would work out?

Taking away ownership of capital, removing ideas of inheritance, state suggests what work to do, central bank, a portion of all earning goes back into public service (progressive tax), emigrants (thsoe who leave the nation) and rebels can f off from any rights, agricultural development, free school.. etc etc

the closest any country came was mao's first and arguably 2nd 5 year plans. Ofc, Karl didn't say much about exterminating political opponents and 40 million or so of the country's people... But then Chairman Mao was always a creative interpreter : )

Ya want to know something about GV?

Every time I asked to expand on his map I was ignored

I would have been larger than him if I had expanded

Read the books I recommended. Form your own ideas first on hard facts. Only then will anyone else's ideas, including mine, be worth hearing, as a contrast to a position you yourself are capable of taking.

If you don't know what you're talking about, your foundations are built on quicksand. Anyone that sounds like they know what they're saying, even if it's complete BS, will shake your ideas and change your mind.

I'm a graduate of multiple scientific degrees and i've seen a fair amount of life. While no one's ever run Marxism the way Karl-Engels thought it would, I don't believe any large population of humans can. People are too selfish, too stupid, too lazy and too biased. It's a flawed idea based on Marx's romantic Hegelian notions, IMO. But we will never know because it's never been executed in the spirit it was meant to.

Perhaps that's a sign it CAN NEVER be executed in the spirit it was meant to because humans just aren't that ethical or equitable.

Read up on E O Wilson as well, a brilliant mind in a different field. Referring to ant colonies, he produced the best quote ever on socialism:

'Great Idea. Wrong species'

Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich wrote:

o<o~Did you forget to quote me?

yep.

im in the woods and im bored, leave me alone!

<throws a stick at a non existent bear>

hmm. my internet seems to be messed up, or my mousepad might be dying on me.. In the woods. far from a Rogers

Must find a way to get my girl to exchange laptops with me.......

Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich wrote:

Was IC but alright. I did actually learn a couple things about the ideology of Fascism and how it compares to other ideologies at the time of it's existence, but i'm not so good with Communism and Socialism. And though I will never be a supporter of either of those I am interested to learn about them. Anything you recommend to start with?

Talk to Marxists, read the source texts. Pay attention to what they're trying to tell you, don't read these texts with the intent to argue with them, and you'll learn quite a bit.

Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich wrote:

~filler, with syrup and whipped cream~

Smh, you need some good syrup in that filler, lemme help there.