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hmm, much as I dislike nationalism and think it to be incompatible with socialism (in the imperial core that is, I think it can be a good tool for anti-imperialism in imperialized areas) I'm not sure we should be comparing it to the literal nazis, it's not like these people are actively advocating for genocide.
Greatunion of soviet socialist republics, Zolakia, and New Astri
There are types of National Socialists as there are types of Socialism, Hitler's version of National Socialism isn't the only one in existence (There is for example NazBols or National Bolsheviks). But generally, they will espouse Socialist values for their nation's citizens, that's the general line of thought of a National Socialist. It's fundamentally idiotic, as it excludes the benefits of the ideology to a certain race, ethnicity or national identity and forgoes the entire notion of equality, universal rights, etc. In the words of the International English lyrics, "Freedom is merely privilege extended unless enjoyed by one and all" which essentially undermines the ideology as an oxymoron.
Zolakia and Janpia
no? that's just not accurate, "national socialist" is generally associated with the nazis (nazbols are pretty much just nazis who don't like being called fascist), I struggle to think of a time when I've ever seen it used in any other context. would also like to dispel the notion that national """socialist""" espouse any socialist values at all, this is put simply, propaganda, whenever these fascist have come to power they've always worked solely for the benefit of the bourgeoisie against the workers, hell the term privatization was coined to describe the nazi policies.
Greatunion of soviet socialist republics and New Astri
So what would you call a Nationalist that is also a Socialist?
left wing nationalist, which is the generally accepted term on the left for them, never have I heard these types of individuals referred to as national socialist unless they are nazbols or something like that
Greatunion of soviet socialist republics, New Astri, and The greater tulsa area
Not a huge fan of state-regulated media, no matter the state.
A socialist state will automatically produce Communist/proletariat arts, culture and entertainment, just as a capitalist state automatically pumps out bourgeois art and entertainment sh*t.
Greatunion of soviet socialist republics, StormCoders, Zolakia, Bibliophilius, and 2 othersThe greater tulsa area, and Unified Communist Councils
Left-Wing Nationalism sounds like an oxymoron to me.
"Terms such as nationalist socialism, social nationalism and socialist nationalism are not to be confused with the German fascism (as espoused by the Nazi Party) which called itself "National Socialism". The ideology of Nazi national-socialism advocated the supremacy and territorial expansion of the German nation and opposed popular sovereignty, social equality and national self-determination for non-Germans. Unlike fascism and some forms of right-wing nationalism, left-wing nationalism does not promote the view that any one nation is superior to others.
Some left-wing nationalist groups, including some labourists, left liberals, orthodox Marxists, social democrats and syndicalists as well as left-leaning and centre-left parties, have historically used the term national socialism for themselves, albeit only before the rise of the Nazis or outside Europe. Since the Nazis' rise to prominence in the 1930s, the term national socialism has become associated almost exclusively with their ideas and it is rarely used in relation to left-wing nationalism in Europe, with nationalist socialism or socialist nationalism being preferred over national socialism. The unrelated German fascism, National Socialism, is capitalised because it refers to the Nazi entity and avoids confusion with left-wing nationalism.
Notable left-wing nationalist movements include:
the 26th of July Movement in Cuba
the African National Congress of South Africa under Nelson Mandela
Basque nationalism and the EH Bildu coalition as well as the Catalan independence movement and the Galician nationalism and Galician Nationalist Bloc party in Spain
Labor Zionism in Israel
the League of Communists of Yugoslavia
the Malay Nationalist Party of Malaysia
the Mukti Bahini in Bangladesh
Quebec nationalism and the Parti Québécois, Québec solidaire and Bloc québécois in Canada
the Scottish National Party, which promotes Scottish independence from the United Kingdom
Sinn Féin, an Irish republican party in Ireland
the Vietcong in Vietnam"
- Wiki
Would Socialism in One Country count as Social Nationalism?
It really is. Left wing and nationalism cannot be used together because nationalism is a right wing tenet, it divides the working class people based on their nationalities, and third positionists and "left wing nationalists" use that same "nationalism is useful against anti-imperialist movements" to validate themselves into the leftist zone. They probably don't know that there's a fine line between patriotism and nationalism. Nationalism is an ideology based on the premise that an individual's loyalty and devotion to one's country should come above the interests and opinions of other citizens or the interests of a certain group of citizens. The national interest is above everything for them, they don't care if the citizens of the country have their basic rights or not or are they living a good life or not, whether they are provided with good healthcare and education facilities or not, it's just all national pride and interest for them and nothing else. Nationalists deny the deficiencies of their country they don't want to criticize and improve anything because they don't want to show that their country have deficiencies. And on the other hand, patriotism is basically one's attachment to their homeland, where that individual is born and brought up. Patriotism is also being proud of a country's virtues but with an eagerness and readiness to correct its deficiencies to be better. Patriotism acknowledges the patriotism of citizens of other countries and respects their virtues.
A patriot loves his country and is proud of it for what it does whereas a nationalist loves his country and is proud of his country NO MATTER WHAT IT DOES.
Zolakia, Northfell, and Unified Communist Councils
Mukti Bahini was not socialist. It was the independence force created by Indian Intelligence. The Awami League was its parent organization which was somewhat socialist
Zolakia and Unified Communist Councils
Yeah it wasn't socialist.
Kesmaria and Unified Communist Councils
How can members run for different embassies?
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you can think of it as such if you wish, but it also isn't "National Socialism" as you tried to call it earlier
Quick question, how does one decrease Primitiveness?
Science maybe
Hi im new here
I've found that my Primitiveness score tends to go down when I increase public education and information technology. There also seems to be a positive correlation with secularism and a negative correlation with religiousness.
Increase the IT industry and choose technological options in the issues, it will increase your technological advancement and decrease primitiveness.
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The bot doesn't count the endorsements of countries that I endorsed before resigning from WA.
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