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Especially given that nobody seems to have believed that to be the case? That implies communality, but at the same time, I think his point was that Vatican 2 is afwul and pope francis is kinda awful as a Christian leader. But i dont have a stance yet. so keep going
i know this is kinda an nsfw question but is having a feet fetish a sin?
laugh all you want, but i need to know
No. If everyone, including Pius V, has interpreted Quo Primum differently than you do, then that raises a very serious red flag for your claim. After all, how could Pius V not even realize what he wrote and end up excommunicating himself for altering the missal? That's just silly, and it calls into question multiple dogmas regarding Church inerrancy.
I'm assuming you're more than one person since you seem to be referring to yourself in the third person. Not a big deal or anything but it's just a bit confusing.
Vatican II was an ecumenical council. Thus, it has divine protection and can not be considered "awful" by the faithful. I would also dispute the notion that Pope Francis is an awful Christian leader, but we'd also be pretty far off topic then.
Barrovia and Johnpaulopolis
thats not a good pope. But not the worst pope we have ever had.
Paulo Suess, one of the key authors of the Amazon Synod’s working document, commented on this ceremony, saying “so what. Even if it would have been a pagan rite, then it is nevertheless a pagan worship of God.” Stuff like this, is not a misunderstanding, it is a statement which means, hey we dont care about Christianity, as long as it has moderatly similar beats, its gonna take you to God. So the question is why did Jesus tell us to mission if that was the case?
It goes without saying that the presidency is not to be treated like the United States Presidency or any other political office where we sit back and critic the office holder like backseat drivers. What we as faithful Catholics will with our entire hearts is the success and good of the Holy Father and his continuing work to spread the faith far and wide while enriching it in the souls of those of us who already live by it. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I can do the job of pope any better because Lord knows it is probably much more difficult than I can possibly comprehend with all the theological and even political complexities that come with every word and act that is done or said.
Our Church is not divided into political parties of conservative and liberal Catholics who play sides and take shots to make their positions seem stronger. We have the benefit of the Holy Spirit which gives us the gift of Charity, the ability to seek understanding and truth even when it may seem difficult for us to see it immediately. NationStates is filled with gotcha games as it is, and there is certainly no need for that here or in the one true faith.
Yes, the things Pope Francis says and does can seem perplexing or at first difficult to understand in the grand scheme. He does not have the same theological background as JPII or Benedict XVI, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have something to say or bring to the papacy and the Church writ large. We can talk about those things which seem troubling to us without doing so in a way which is damaging to the office of the papacy or the dignity of the Francis pontificate. This is the way of speaking about theology with dignity and respect.
All this is to say that though great latitude is allowed here in Catholic, schismatics will not be.
Omensa, Attike, Cristero, The Pilgrims in the Desert, and 2 othersTerra de maria, and Ottovanus
My guy, you came in swinging at the Pope. What kind of reaction were you expecting?
"he allowed pagan aztec dance in a catholic mass and partook in pagan rituals in Canada." No he didn't. Just calling something pagan doesn't make it pagan. It should also go without saying that this is bearing false witness.
I'm not going to continue discussing any of this with you unless you apologize for repeatedly publicly sinning like this.
"he allowed pagan aztec dance in a catholic mass and partook in pagan rituals in Canada." No he didn't. Just calling something pagan doesn't make it pagan. It should also go without saying that this is bearing false witness.
should juda maccabee have apologized for rejecting the heresy of hellonism? All I have done is state a fact. If you wanna be a child, be one. And no i didnt, my first post was me asking people to read my essay where i justified catholic theology with the king james bible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBEQh37nA60 here is a link to a video talking about the canadian thing
https://en.protothema.gr/pope-francis-takes-part-in-smudging-ritual-in-canada-where-western-grandmother-is-invoked/ and a news article to boot.
http://adventmessenger.org/the-ecumenical-circus-pagan-aztec-dance-ritual-performed-at-a-catholic-church-in-chicago/ here is one for the aztec thing, which as a hispanic person is double offensive, because they did it in chicago, so its not like they were celebrating the nations history or culture.
https://www.thenews-messenger.com/story/news/local/2014/12/12/dancing-lady-guadalupe/20332223/ and another link for the same thing.
those dances were prayers to the sun and moon """""""gods"""""""" which litterally makes them pagan.
“When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.” Deuteronomy 18:9.
pope francis is a modern day antiocus IV. He has dilluted our church to fit the world, rather than encouraging the world to fit the church. I will not apologize for standing like Judah Maccabee against such a man. The Catholic Faith is not the Pope, it goes beyond him, for all time, and that is my faith. I will stand by her theology, and fight for her, but I cannot abide the destruction of the faith, and our Church, from within.
Ban me if you must
But God help me, for I stand with His truth.
God save the Church, and the Catholic World
i will for you as well
way to use prayer as an insult
thats not blasphemous
the pope is the body of Christ now? I thought that was the Eucharist.
And your not southern, are you, son? Around here that means to f-word yourself.
The Pope is the visible and indefectable head of Christ's Church. Which is the Body and Bride of Christ. So yeah, when you insinuate that Pope Francis has defected, endorses heresy, pagan idolatry, and apostasy, then you attack the whole Church. Which, by the way, supports him by and large. His detractors are largely fringe rad trads.
No, I'm not from the south, and I'm fairly certain that the vast majority of Christians wouldn't take intercessory prayers as on par with the f word.
Omensa, Attike, and Terra de maria
its also context friend, and in the south telling someone you will pray for them, in an argument, is like saying to someone that they are mentally retarded and need to f off
and again i gave you the proof.
Sorry, but I will not recant
deal with it
Again, you could've raised your concerns without just throwing accusations around as if they're a given. That's absolutely sinful. And yes, you can't hold the faith yet deny doctrines of it regarding the Papacy. Either you're right about Pope Francis and Catholicism is a false religion, or you're wrong about him and Catholicism remains. There's no scenario where you're correct and Catholicism can be true.
Also the last thing you need is more internet discussions. You need prayer and contemplation.
I'll pray for you and your conversion. Seriously.
so we have to be cool with idolitry that even cardinals arent cool with, and the changing of prayers, and the many other things that the pope is doing that go against the Church to be Catholic? Well then im not Catholic.
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