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OOC can I just clarify one point, in this hypothetical, is this the opinion of your country, however flawed it may be, and as such an in character only opinion that the people hold, or is it the genuine world canon you want accepted?
OOC: First, this regions canon is not real life. You are not Byzantium as similar as you are. While you can go ahead and claim ICly that this is fact, OOCly we all know it's not. My nations canon is just as important as yours and it doesn't include even a breath of your nation. If your canon is self-contained that's fine, look at Lumingrad. His entire nation believes that there's no war at all, that war is a myth, that anyone whom claims they're in a war is deluded. While objectively this is untrue he's free to claim it ICly all he wants, you can do the same too with your canon as long as you know that it isn't actually true.
OOC: It's a simple universalistic ideology. They believe they hold legitimate world authority. Their political philosophy identifies sovereign leaders as ruling on their behalf. They do recognise that they do not directly govern foreign territories.
ooc It is the belief of the Imperial Government and Emperor. While I would be quite flattered if every nation in the region submitted to me in such a fashion, I recognize that such a hope is folly and thus needs to be explained with Byzantine-esque train of thought.
OOC: I am inclined to disbelieve this. Valcouria was last active three hours ago in both of his other regions, and your first post in this latest burst occurred at the same time. Your nation was previously used by him to deliver some choice announcements and rants, and your factbooks are all written in a similar style and mannerism as his. Additionally, you are quite knowledgeable about regional history as well as the regional rules, your syntax and styles seem to be similar, and so on and so forth. The only real differences appear to be in your use of 'ooc' and your views on 'getting as much of the pie as I can while I can' -- which, if I may be frank, just seems to be an attempt by Valcouria to subvert the intentions of the rules in a maliciously satirical way.
Of course, puppeteering doesn't matter (by Despotic decree). Simply explaining my rationale for treating you as Valcouria until proven otherwise. Welcome, either way.
Regardless, returning to the original discussion, Cyrod and America both occupy more than one map slot -- at an absolute minimum, the two of them are each two map slots -- and given that they are (or America is, at least) white space, they cannot technically be colonized. Now, one could subvert this by creating puppets to fill that space, but then the puppets would be governed by the rule that mandates new nations be smaller -- and thus the issue is resolved in the case of America. Cyrod is more complex, although I would argue that he has not yet been permanently struck from the map (nor should he be until 7.5 weeks have passed), and thus cannot be considered white space. One could try to colonize/conquer/annex Cyrod in his entirety, but then I would point out that Cyrod is at least four or five map slots, and that would likely take over a great deal of space that should be reserved for new players, or for Cyrod himself should he return.
ooc Another rather interesting take on this view is that, should nations decide to engage in war with me, I can declare their leadership as being invalidated and forfeit, and sanction (even support) uprisings against them if the rebels agree to be more pliable to my regime. It is a methodology that worked countless times in the past.
OOC: Mareica has been orange space for some time. I will be legitimising that with IC posts.
ooc You are of course free to have your own beliefs (as a matter of fact I recall you held the same belief back when I first arrived at Valcouria's request to speak on his behalf), but I stand here to say that they are wrong in this instance. Just as well, Valcouria still tells me that he abhors the region and the regional leadership, things I am sure you all have heard plenty of in the past.
Also, I've been here for several months, just haven't been interested in playing since (up until recently) I shared Valcouria's detesting of the regional rules. Until I of course decided to use them to my advantage and do what has been done before, namely, take over the region in the name of God and the Emperor.
OOC: While interesting, most nations won't agree to that happening and retcon it. I know for a fact none of my citizens have any reason to support a foriegn invader. But hey, you do you.
ooc I'm sure most nations will be more willing to discuss certain events and outcomes rather than be absurdly childish and simply throw retcon after retcon at everything sent towards them, don't you?
Surely this region has more adults than children in it, or so I am led to believe.
OOC: Considering the nation you made for it CTE'd -- as did America-Shurrupak Xul -- and the rules prohibit giving land to another player ICly/OOCly (and Hansdeltania's decree explicitly prohibits grandfathering in inactive nations), I would suggest that America be considered white space.
OOC: I think that's why I removed Cyrod off the map. I think. I need to go check.
OOC: I can already see five OOC disputes arising.
OOC: Tag because when I close this for the next hour or so there will be 20+ posts.
OOC: I would agree if I hadn't promised America to make an effort. Still, if the Despot insists, I will agree.
OOC: As you say.
OOC: Koopa is gone, in short, his wishes matter not.
ooc Please; everyone else already attempts to or otherwise does so already. All I am doing is being forthright about it.
OOC: I think we have a bad habit of cutting off history in favour of new players.
OOC: Your intentions may be honorable, but I would argue that upholding the spirit of the rules would also be an honorable course of action to follow. We're not sure when Koopa will return, if at all, and you must admit that taking all of Cyrod and America would put you either in the position of RPing three fairly important/relevant nations (with the risk of lowering your overall activity as it must be divided between three nations) or in the position of suddenly becoming a larger power than Equestria or Germania, overnight. All while denying the land to nations that might well derive use from it -- such as Vasilinople, which could achieve a Byzantine-esque position with the strait between America and the sliver of white space by Cyrod. If you feel a ruling by the Despot is necessary, then so be it, but I would ask that you reconsider.
OOC: If you believe other people are exploiting loopholes, feel free to call them out on the RMB, or bring it up with a Minister or even the Despot.
OOC: I think I can manage. And yes, I think Cyrod Mare's claims are indisputable unless the Despot rules otherwise. Mareica, from a non-sentimental standpoint, is much more questionable.
OOC: New players matter more then defunct ones. If I left and wanted the entire map to be annexed into my land and everyone to RP as if under Chadician rule would you honour that too? I think not. Additionally, while I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt the fact that you gain a large portion of land from this is a huge conflict of interest.
OOC: This is simply untrue.
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