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Gallade wrote:Okay then.
And in fairness honey this is a site seriously skewed to the left with a poster base adept at selective reading and memory, what do you expect.

It's not just this site, read the ny times its laced in the reporting. I don't mind it in Editorial, but not on page one.

As to the site it is a big part of the reason I withdraw from some of the political conversations, it is just pointless.

Gallade wrote:*Clears cache*
WHAT NOW, EH
....oh I can't log in

I should have said 'biscuits'. But then I'm not sure if our American regionmates would understand :P

Ethel mermania wrote:It's not just this site, read the ny times its laced in the reporting. I don't mind it in Editorial, but not on page one.
As to the site it is a big part of the reason I withdraw from some of the political conversations, it is just pointless.

All newspapers have an individual bias, this isn't new.

I imagine reading the New York Post is just as infuriating for Democrats as the Times is for you.

Ethel mermania wrote:It's not just this site, read the ny times its laced in the reporting. I don't mind it in Editorial, but not on page one.
As to the site it is a big part of the reason I withdraw from some of the political conversations, it is just pointless.

All newspapers have some sort of biased agenda, unfortunately.

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:All newspapers have some sort of biased agenda, unfortunately.

It's hard not to. Newspapers are made by people. People are biased.

The Blaatschapen wrote:It's hard not to. Newspapers are made by people. People are biased.

Well, yes, but there are editorial lines that go way beyond natural human biases. There are newspapers that actually only write pro a particular party. News reporting should be impartial. However, that's just being overly hopeful.

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Gallade wrote:All newspapers have an individual bias, this isn't new.
I imagine reading the New York Post is just as infuriating for Democrats as the Times is for you.

The post at least is honest about its bias, to pick a local liberal paper, the bergen record, or for that matter the daily news, is clear on where they are coming from. The times not so much. The tagine is. "All the news that fits, we print." It should be "all the news that fits our viewpoint, we print".

Ethel mermania wrote:The post at least is honest about its bias, to pick a local liberal paper, the bergen record, or for that matter the daily news, is clear on where they are coming from. The times not so much. The tagine is. "All the news that fits, we print." It should be "all the news that fits our viewpoint, we print".

See, the common thread through all of your posts here are about straightforward honesty lacking, which I don't get. No politician is directly honest, not even broadsheets claim to not have an agenda. Is this a longstanding belief of yours or is it because Trump is a blunt one? Because he's lying through his teeth and all.

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This killed me, Snazzy: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1124103250996385

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:This killed me, Snazzy: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1124103250996385

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Gallade wrote:See, the common thread through all of your posts here are about straightforward honesty lacking, which I don't get. No politician is directly honest, not even broadsheets claim to not have an agenda. Is this a longstanding belief of yours or is it because Trump is a blunt one? Because he's lying through his teeth and all.

I have seen trump for over 30 years, he us a ny real estate developer. That he is a overblown windbag is a given.

My issue is the demonization of the opposition. I can't dislike hillary because of what i have seen of her on the national stage since 1991, it has to be because she is a woman.

As poor as a president as I think Obama is, I don't doubt he is sincerely doing what he believes is in the US's national interest, he just wrong.

Ethel mermania wrote:I have seen trump for over 30 years, he us a ny real estate developer. That he is a overblown windbag is a given.
My issue is the demonization of the opposition. I can't dislike hillary because of what i have seen of her on the national stage since 1991, it has to be because she is a woman.
As poor as a president as I think Obama is, I don't doubt he is sincerely doing what he believes is in the US's national interest, he just wrong.

Are we really going back to the misogyny train that was started here about British MP's and regular women with nothing to do with Clinton, mention of Trump being due to his abuse of female reporters because honestly you've said the same line several times now. Europeans watch major American news channels and read your sites and papers too y'know and all I've seen mentioned of Clinton's sex is the positive glass ceiling breaking from the democrats not claims of misogyny. I would be interested in seeing anything you can provide showing otherwise mind for a laugh at the them expense of the left if nothing else.

Gallade wrote:Are we really going back to the misogyny train that was started here about British MP's and regular women with nothing to do with Clinton, mention of Trump being due to his abuse of female reporters because honestly you've said the same line several times now. Europeans watch major American news channels and read your sites and papers too y'know and all I've seen mentioned of Clinton's sex is the positive glass ceiling breaking from the democrats not claims of misogyny. I would be interested in seeing anything you can provide showing otherwise mind for a laugh at the them expense of the left if nothing else.

I think you are getting hung up on the single issue and i am going much broader. For example

http://www.salon.com/2015/02/26/why_the_right_hates_american_history_partner/

A privacy onversation With no mention that the staunchest defender of the 4th amendment was the very right wing justice scalia. Or no mention of the history behind the second amendment because it does not fit their narrative, that history is for liberals. (As to the constitution being a restriction on the government, and not an affermation of individual rights, they are correCT about, but thereally is no application of that in the article).

Post self-deleted by The grim reaper.

Ethel mermania wrote:I think you are getting hung up on the single issue and i am going much broader. For example
http://www.salon.com/2015/02/26/why_the_right_hates_american_history_partner/
A privacy onversation With no mention that the staunchest defender of the 4th amendment was the very right wing justice scalia. Or no mention of the history behind the second amendment because it does not fit their narrative, that history is for liberals. (As to the constitution being a restriction on the government, and not an affermation of individual rights, they are correCT about, but thereally is no application of that in the article).

I'm aware of all that, I am focusing on the misogyny accusation claims because that was the first I'm hearing of it. I'm not defending the left, they do jump the gun, I'm coming at this from the stance of European observer like.

So no media claims of misogyny in the right, that's all I wanted to know.

Gallade wrote:I'm aware of all that, I am focusing on the misogyny accusation claims because that was the first I'm hearing of it. I'm not defending the left, they do jump the gun, I'm coming at this from the stance of European observer like.
So no media claims of misogyny in the right, that's all I wanted to know.

Oh they are, I don't want to get hung up on that particular issue.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2016/05/23/hatred_for_hillary_clinton_boils_down_to_misogyny_383176.html
And tbh, there is some of that in the right , and there are some who don't like Obama because he is a n*gger. But to paint the entire right wing opposition as based on that is fu*king absurd,

Ethel mermania wrote:Oh they are, I don't want to get hung up on that particular issue.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2016/05/23/hatred_for_hillary_clinton_boils_down_to_misogyny_383176.html
And tbh, there is some of that in the right , and there are some who don't like Obama because he is a n*gger. But to paint the entire right wing opposition as based on that is fu*king absurd,

Right, overemotional left wing opinion piece, thanks. A far cry from the Guardian but fair enough, it proves the point.

Much like there is some of that in the right, so too the left. Sunrise, sunset.

What a productive discussion on the misogyny endemic in European politics with a passing comment on one US Presidential candidate this was. o/

Gallade wrote:Right, overemotional left wing opinion piece, thanks. A far cry from the Guardian but fair enough, it proves the point.
Much like there is some of that in the right, so too the left. Sunrise, sunset.
What a productive discussion on the misogyny endemic in European politics with a passing comment on one US Presidential candidate this was. o/

Heh, it's the first thing I was able to pull out of my ass, I am on the phome and i have a lot of work on my plate.

Americans always butt in where we don't belong, it is what we do best.

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The grim reaper

Man, I spent the last hour reading about sommeliers and wine-tasting when I should have been sleeping for an early morning.

I don't even drink wine ;____; but this was still a riveting article about a food critic going toe-to-toe with a sommelier. http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/worlds-best-sommelier-vs-worlds-worst-customer

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Ethel mermania wrote:I have seen trump for over 30 years, he us a ny real estate developer. That he is a overblown windbag is a given.
My issue is the demonization of the opposition. I can't dislike hillary because of what i have seen of her on the national stage since 1991, it has to be because she is a woman.
As poor as a president as I think Obama is, I don't doubt he is sincerely doing what he believes is in the US's national interest, he just wrong.

I honestly find the attack that people don't like Hillary simply because she's a woman unwarranted.

I don't like her either, but I personally think Trump is a f*cking idiot who blows smoke out of his ass, he doesn't have a plan, and I honestly don't want to figure out whether or not he is going to have my best interests as a Latino when it comes down to several of his policies. You live in the North, and it is a given you probably don't experience the same things I do, but down here if Trump wins there's a lot of people who'll feel emboldened to discriminate against Latinos whether it is because we speak Spanish, because we have children and they're "anchor babies", or because of our accent, or simply because of how we look or because we're seen doing hard labor (all of which are the stereotypical "illegal" in many people's minds). That goes against my own personal interests.

When it comes to my vote I'd rather vote for my own self-interests than yours. And in this election, there is nothing that gives me confidence that Trump will be for my interests as a Latino, and is more obvious he would be against my interests if pushed to under that thin skin of his. At least I know that with Clinton, she might not be entirely for my interests, but she's not going to be against them on a whim either.

Soldati senza confini wrote:I honestly find the attack that people don't like Hillary simply because she's a woman unwarranted.
I don't like her either, but I personally think Trump is a f*cking idiot who blows smoke out of his ass, he doesn't have a plan, and I honestly don't want to figure out whether or not he is going to have my best interests as a Latino when it comes down to several of his policies. You live in the North, and it is a given you probably don't experience the same things I do, but down here if Trump wins there's a lot of people who'll feel emboldened to discriminate against Latinos whether it is because we speak Spanish, because we have children and they're "anchor babies", or because of our accent, or simply because of how we look or because we're seen doing hard labor (all of which are the stereotypical "illegal" in many people's minds). That goes against my own personal interests.
When it comes to my vote I'd rather vote for my own self-interests than yours. And in this election, there is nothing that gives me confidence that Trump will be for my interests as a Latino, and is more obvious he would be against my interests if pushed to under that thin skin of his. At least I know that with Clinton, she might not be entirely for my interests, but she's not going to be against them on a whim either.

The bolded is exactly what you are suppose to do. (With any luck the bolding works)

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Ethel mermania wrote:The bolded is exactly what you are suppose to do. (With any luck the bolding works)

Oh it worked fine. :)

I will give the man credit where credit is due, though. He's made this election far more interesting given he's an outsider, and for that matter, the first outsider in years that has ran for a major political party and has won the primaries. That's not an easy feat, or isn't supposed to be at any rate.

The fact that he has rallied the anti-establishmentarian vote and has managed to unify it to an extent is also a feat on its own.

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Gallade wrote:Safe travels, Dakky!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/28/woman-hating-has-come-roaring-back-we-must-confront-it
The guardian is validating my worldview on one of the more direct causes of parties and certain presidential nominees that pander to the hate crowd and bring it to the fore. Honestly, it's about time.

The Blaatschapen wrote:I am slowly coming to the conclusion that generally: Working class men are increasingly disenfranchised, and envious of successful women (hence the backlash at Hillary, May, etc.) ? That women are increasingly outperforming men in school which exacerbates the inequality in that group?
Where is Galloism when you need him.
For the rest, yeah, Trump is not the problem, he's a symptom.

I need to address both of these, because it's an issue I am seeing as well with many people.

The truth is that certain groups of men do feel disenfranchised. I do not know how it is in Britain or the EU, but here in America there's a lot of that sentiment in a lot of people. Except their fear is not women, is illegal immigrants.

Hillary does have some misogyny she has to navigate through, but it's not severe, and it is definitely not widespread. Those people are the fringe from what I've seen down here. Most of what people attack Hillary for is dishonesty and -- with the latest email scandal -- carelessness. There's not a lot of objections to her being a woman.

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I'd even go as far as to say that, whomever makes the issue of the right being against Clinton because she's a woman, and not because, you know, she's to the left of their agenda, is overblowing the issue out of proportion. While I am sure that's a fringe attack, it's not something most people even take seriously.

In Europe, this might be entirely different, and like I said, I don't know how it is up there. But Gallade's view is certainly an interesting one, and it does make it seem like men in Europe are somewhat acrimonious to women in power. I wonder how much it has to do with nostalgia for the past.

Soldati senza confini wrote:I'd even go as far as to say that, whomever makes the issue of the right being against Clinton because she's a woman, and not because, you know, she's to the left of their agenda, is overblowing the issue out of proportion. While I am sure that's a fringe attack, it's not something most people even take seriously.
In Europe, this might be entirely different, and like I said, I don't know how it is up there. But Gallade's view is certainly an interesting one, and it does make it seem like men in Europe are somewhat acrimonious to women in power. I wonder how much it has to do with nostalgia for the past.

Oh it's definitely a case of equality being a difficult pill to swallow for some. As you've seen Hillary only came into this because the conversation veered wildly across several lanes into American politics while my point was intended to be largely focusing on the situation in Europe.

I've soldiered through casual sexism mostly in Ireland, which is why I'm very interested in the situation in Britain, it's ultimately a near identical culture. Putting aside the racial discrimination going on there right now for a moment (which is much more prevalent and extremely worthy of outcry) there's something about the British Isles mentality that really seems to have problems not seeing women as lesser when times become more difficult. Hell, the Irish constitution still says the woman's first place is in the home. I can't count how many times I have been asked to make the tea during work there for example by men who were professionally lower on the totem pole. Serious gender pay gap going on in the private sector, too.

That said, the fact that I just had to fight for equal pay in a government position goes to show that France needs a look at its policy, too.

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