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Just out of curiosity who is the "us" in this sentence? France? India? Canada? Communists? Socialists? Titoists? I'm rather legitimately confused.
My family is from India, and the brits stole A sh*t from India.
I think they stole a lot from a lot people when they were a colonial era. To make matters worse said objects now have some cultural value to them as memories of their as a global superpower meaning they'll be rather reluctant to give them back.
Also in a vaguely relevant note for an English extension assessment I'm doing a post-colonial reading of hearts of darkness and apocalypse now and then looking at how apocalypse now has appropriated hearts of darkness... If anyone(well anyone who knows what I'm going on about...) could send me sources on what Post-Colonial critique is that would be much appreciated.
Pretty ironic that we now complain about everyone else coming into our country, right?
The new World Census graphs on here look great with "Average income of the rich" :P
Colonialism does not justify the replacement of the native British people.
It is an argument against allowing it to happen, if anything.
The appropriate way to mend what happened is to give support to countries damaged by British colonialism. The Commonwealth of Nations should help nations invest in each other's infrastructure and economic development imo.
Tell me something.
Are the Zulus and similar tribes native South African people?
Dunno, when'd they get there?
Early centuries AD
Then yeah, I guess they have a pretty good claim, though they're hardly especially comparable to the historically heterogeneous population of Britain. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you really feel that you have a better grasp of what Britain's like than I do: Modern British culture is as much "immigrant" culture as much as it is whatever you imagine to be "native". And, it has to be said, there's little comparable between colonisation and immigration within an existing society.
Oh god, everyone brace yourselves for arbitrary distinctions.
(From memory this arguement can get very subjective/arbitrary...)
From what I can tell the only ways to define it in a more concrete way are
-Generational(born their)
-Identity(Consider yourself as part of the UK populace)
-Ethnicity(one of the more arbitrary methods(thus I disagree but I'll throw it up regardless))( essentially deciding a group of people are British based off certain generalised traits)
-Ancestors always been their(essentially concludes the ancestors of modern populace came from elsewhere and thus they are not natives, probably the most exclusive definition)
-arbitrary line drawing(currently one we're leaning towards)(basically saying been there for x amount if time they're native)(dislike this one personally too flexible to ones line of arguement(oh they're not native only people their after x are native"example which breaks worldview" oh sorry I meant y years, "why that amount of years?" No real response beyond "I because said so")
Probably missed something, feel free to add to this. As always these are only the words of a 16 year old Australian teen without a Uni degree...
Aaaaaand ninja'd by Adaia... Also I missed the culture argument, although that's a bit akin to the ethnicity one... Then again they'll be some subjective ness in most definitions...
Post self-deleted by South coraline.
Ok then, I guess I should've said "native British peoples". Sorry about that mistake.
To quote wikipedia:
"As a result of the 2011 census the White British population was estimated 51,736,290 (81.9% of the UK total population)."
Now that it's 2016, let's assume White British is in the high 70s. And the culture of these White British people is the native culture. Now let's take into account immigrants are largely concentrated in cities. That's huge swathes of the country populated with native Brits.
Modern British culture is still very much Native outside of the big cities. Native Britain is not yet lost, it is very much alive.
I have a glass of coke with a hole in the bottom.
I begin filling the glass with water to stop it from becoming empty.
What happens to my glass of coke?
Britain has below replacement birthrates.
This is being combated by importing foreigners continuously to offset the demographic deficit, without even addressing the negative birthrates.
It might seem out of place (with the British nativism debate happening right now) but I worked on the factbook for quite some time and I want to get some feedback as to how it is.
Order | Election Year | Winner | Other Major Candidates |
1st | 1888 | Jack Grey (Federalist) - 100 Electoral Votes | None - 0 Electoral Votes |
2nd | 1893 | Jack Grey (Federalist) - 100 Electoral Votes | None - 0 Electoral Votes |
3rd | 1898 | Gerard Uharm (Federalist) - 55 Electoral Votes | Jacob Kiran (Federalist) - 45 Electoral Votes |
4th | 1903 | Taylor Blue (Constitution) - 91 Electoral Votes | Gerard Uharm (Democratic-Republican) - 9 Electoral Votes |
5th | 1908 | Taylor Blue (Constitution) - 63 Electoral Votes | Arthur Cobb (Democratic-Republican) - 37 Electoral Votes |
6th | 1913 | Jackson Valour (Constitution) - 71 Electoral Votes | Arthur Cobb (Democratic-Republican) - 29 Electoral Votes |
7th | 1918 | Jackson Valour (Constitution) - 56 Electoral Votes | Kirk Harrison (Democratic-Republican) - 44 Electoral Votes |
8th | 1923 | Tyler Jackson (Constitution) - 50 Electoral Votes | Frank Butler (Democratic-Republican) - 50 Electoral Votes |
9th | 1928 | Tyler Jackson (Constitution) - 58 Electoral Votes | Eugene Turner (Democratic-Republican) - 42 Electoral Votes |
10th | 1933 | Jack Bryant (Constitution) - 64 Electoral Votes | Harold Hill (Democratic-Republican) - 36 Electoral Votes |
11th | 1938 | Jack Bryant (Constitution) - 65 Electoral Votes | Craig Allen (Democratic-Republican) - 35 Electoral Votes |
12th | 1943 | John Breckenridge (Constitution) - 71 Electoral Votes | Jack Washington (Democratic-Republican) - 29 Electoral Votes |
13th | 1948 | John Breckenridge (Constitution) - 71 Electoral Votes | Jack Washington (Democratic-Republican) - 29 Electoral Votes |
14th | 1953 | George Vernon (Constitution) - 66 Electoral Votes | Aaron Cobb (Democratic-Republican) - 34 Electoral Votes |
15th | 1958 | Harry Alexander Hamilton (Constitution) - 63 Electoral Votes | Aaron Cobb (Democratic-Republican) - 37 Electoral Votes |
16th | 1963 | Harry Alexander Hamilton (Constitution) - 99 Electoral Votes | Aaron Cobb (Democratic-Republican) - 1 Electoral Vote |
17th | 1968 | Barry Johnson (Constitution) - 91 Electoral Votes | Joseph Powell (Democratic-Republican) - 9 Electoral Votes |
18th | 1973 | Barry Johnson (Constitution) - 58 Electoral Votes | Thomas Wilson (Democratic-Republican) - 42 Electoral Votes |
19th | 1978 | Herbert Kiser (Constitution) - 65 Electoral Votes | Thomas Wilson (Democratic-Republican) - 35 Electoral Votes |
20th | 1983 | Herbert Kiser (Constitution) - 71 Electoral Votes | Aaron Edwards (Democratic-Republican) - 29 Electoral Votes |
21st | 1988 | Adam Jackson (Constitution) - 63 Electoral Votes | Robinson Curtis (Democratic-Republican) - 37 Electoral Votes |
22nd | 1993 | Adam Jackson (Constitution) - 52 Electoral Votes | Tim Roy (Democratic-Republican) - 48 Electoral Votes |
23rd | 1998 | Donald Brown (Constitution) - 71 Electoral Votes | Marco Gutierrez (Democratic-Republican) - 29 Electoral Votes |
24th | 2003 | William Tyler (Constitution) - 49 Electoral Votes | Mason Gustavo (Democratic-Republican) - 48 Electoral Votes John Basil (Democratic-Republican) - 3 Electoral Votes* |
25th | 2008 | William Tyler (Constitution) - 52 Electoral Votes | Marco Gutierrez (Democratic-Republican) - 48 Electoral Votes |
26th | 2013 | Andrew Willard (Constitution) - 65 Electoral Votes | Charleston Charlie Crist (Democratic-Republican) - 35 Electoral Votes |
*North Demuran faithless electors casted state Electoral Votes to Marco Gutierrez's running mate John Basil.
Year | Previous Composition | Composition After Elections | Swing |
1888 | 0 - 0 | 26 - 0 | ▲ 26 |
1893 | 26 - 0 | 23 - 3 | ▲ 3 ▼ 3 |
1898 | 23 - 3 | 23 - 3 | -- |
1903 | 14 - 12 | 21 - 5 | ▲9 ▼ 9 |
1908 | 21 - 5 | 25 - 1 | ▲4 ▼ 4 |
1913 | 25 - 1 | 22 - 4 | ▲3 ▼ 3 |
1918 | 22 - 4 | 19 - 6 - 1 | ▲2 ▲ 1 ▼ 3 |
1923 | 19 - 6 - 1 | 17 - 7 - 2 | ▲1 ▲ 1 ▼ 2 |
1928 | 17 - 7 - 2 | 17 - 9 | ▲ 2 ▼ 2 |
1933 | 17 - 9 | 18 - 8 | ▲1 ▼ 1 |
1938 | 18 - 8 | 18 - 8 | -- |
1943 | 18 - 8 | 19 - 7 | ▲1 ▼ 1 |
1948 | 19 - 7 | 20 - 6 | ▲1 ▼ 1 |
1953 | 20 - 6 | 19 - 7 | ▲1 ▼ 1 |
1958 | 19 - 7 | 19 - 7 | -- |
1963 | 19 - 7 | 26 - 0 | ▲7 ▼ 7 |
1968 | 26 - 0 | 25 - 1 | ▲1 ▼ 1 |
1973 | 25 - 1 | 21 - 5 | ▲4 ▼ 4 |
1978 | 21 - 5 | 20 - 6 | ▲1 ▼ 1 |
1983 | 20 - 6 | 21 - 5 | ▲1 ▼ 1 |
1988 | 21 - 5 | 19 - 7 | ▲2 ▼ 2 |
1993 | 19 - 7 | 16 - 10 | ▲3 ▼ 3 |
1998 | 16 - 10 | 21 - 5 | ▲5 ▼ 5 |
2003 | 21 - 5 | 13 - 13 | ▲8 ▼ 8 |
2008 | 13 - 13 | 17 - 8 - 1 | ▲4 ▲1 ▼ 1 |
2013 | 17 - 8 - 1 | 23 - 3 | ▲6 ▼1 ▼ 5 |
Brownish-Gold = Federalist
Dirty Gold = Constitution
Blue = Democratic-Republican
Yellow = Independent
Year | Previous Composition | Composition After Elections | Swing |
1888 | 0 - 0 | 100 - 0 | ▲ 100 |
1893 | 100 - 0 | 97 - 3 | ▲ 3 ▼ 3 |
1898 | 97 - 3 | 98 - 2 | ▲ 1 ▼ 1 |
1903 | 54 - 46 | 79 - 21 | ▲25 ▲ 25 ▼ |
1908 | 79 - 21 | 81 - 19 | ▲2 ▼ 2 |
1913 | 81 - 19 | 85 - 15 | ▲4 ▼ 3 |
1918 | 85 - 15 | 64 - 36 | ▲21 ▼ 21 |
1923 | 64 - 36 | 56 - 44 | ▲8 ▼ 8 |
1928 | 56 - 44 | 65 - 35 | ▲ 9 ▼ 9 |
1933 | 65 - 35 | 69 - 31 | ▲4 ▼ 4 |
1938 | 69 - 31 | 77 - 23 | ▲8 ▼ 8 |
1943 | 77 - 23 | 81 - 19 | ▲4 ▼ 4 |
1948 | 81 - 19 | 81 - 19 | -- |
1953 | 81 - 19 | 76 - 24 | ▲5 ▼ 5 |
1958 | 76 - 24 | 77 - 23 | ▲1 ▼ 1 |
1963 | 77 - 23 | 98 - 2 | ▲21 ▼ 21 |
1968 | 98 - 2 | 96 - 4 | ▲2 ▼ 2 |
1973 | 96 - 4 | 87 - 13 | ▲9 ▼ 9 |
1978 | 87 - 13 | 83 - 17 | ▲4 ▼ 4 |
1983 | 83 - 17 | 82 - 18 | ▲1 ▼ 1 |
1988 | 82 - 18 | 75 - 25 | ▲7 ▼ 7 |
1993 | 75 - 25 | 70 - 30 | ▲5 ▼ 5 |
1998 | 70 - 30 | 68 - 32 | ▲2 ▼ 2 |
2003 | 68 - 32 | 51 - 49 | ▲17 ▼ 17 |
2008 | 51 - 49 | 67 - 33 | ▲16 ▼ 16 |
2013 | 67 - 33 | 89 - 10 - 1 | ▲ 22 ▲ 1 ▼ 22 |
Brownish-Gold = Federalist
Dirty Gold = Constitution
Blue = Democratic-Republican
Yellow = Independent
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It's good. Only real improvement I could think of is giving a brief summary of the history surrounding the election, just so there's some context to all the numbers.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll have to do that on a new factbook though, or else it's gonna be a bit congested.
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The only group which is really "Native British" in anything approaching a meaningful sense are the Celts, which in the modern sense is pretty much an artificial creation anyway, since there's not much of a genuine "Celtic lineage" or anything of the sort. Regardless, that's a predominantly Irish, Scottish and Welsh identity and is hardly relevant to England, which is the only part of Britain with a substantial non-white population. Like everything else, it's all mixed together. Germanic immigrants and French immigrants throughout the middle ages have as much of an impact on what white Britain is today as anything. Even where the divisions are most recent, artificial and seemingly stark they aren't neat - there's something like 9,000,000 Americans who identify as multiracial.
Have you ever been in rural Britain? At all? There's an identity there, to be sure; there really isn't anything that can be said to define British culture in a meaningful way, though, and certainly not modern culture. In fact, there's very little that's identifiably British at all.
And you still haven't answered the question of why this matters. The Earth and its various countries aren't glasses of water or whatever grim beverage you may choose. They're full of people who live and contribute to society and enrich each other's existence regardless of where they're "from" (which you continue to define in vague and arbitrary terms). If one group's birth rates naturally decline that's all the better for the planet as a whole. We gain nothing by pretending it's still the 14th century. Chaucer might get a bit easier to read, I guess...
The Scottish Government is now allowing A 2nd referendum for Independence
There is indeed a "native" British people. They are respectively the English, the Scots, and the Welsh. They are native as in it is their cultures that make up the culture of Great Britain. And they have a greater right then many too live there because it has been the home of their ancestors and their culture for almost 1000 years if not more. To say that Boris the Bulgarian or Sid the Turk have just as much right to live in the UK is preposterous, and is the fatal flaw of the European Union.
yeah nah
Yeah it's not like they're a cultural group with a common origin containing several different branches or anything. Just like how it's not the case with Slavs or the Scandinavians.
The English are quite influenced by the British peoples who came before them AFAIK.
One of the reasons English grammar is so much more simple than other Germanic languages' grammar is because they were communicating with the celtic people there. Not to mention that many Celtic cultural tropes made their way into English culture. Oh, and phenotypically/genetically the Anglos of today are actually very similar to the people who lived in Britain before them. Also, the English culture and people came in the early centuries AD so they should have a "pretty good claim"
For Germanic immigrants you're not wrong, although that was in the early centuries AD so they should have a "pretty good claim". Same with the French, although their contribution is more cultural than anything (relatively few Normans actually came to live in England, and they were absolutely blighted by the plague).
"Multiracial". Heh. You're not even breaking some kind of artificial division there, you made another one. Lumping all these different combinations of peoples together just because they're mixed.
Well one of the native British cultures, the English culture, is defined there. Which has a lot in common with other native british cultures due to historical connections.
If you're trying to say the native English lack a culture to be defined then you should probably go see how differently some other people live friendo.
Thank god
Read: Americanised cancer causing the mental, spiritual and ultimately physical death of western civilisation
Also, the British cultures all share a very induvidualistic, maratime mentality among other things. They share a psyche. They share an aesthetic. They share a history. They share art. They share music. They share religion. They share genetics.
Look at what the native British people have achieved. They achieved great prowess in industry, culture, technology, military, you name it. Even countries that absolutely hate the Brits, that were colonised by them and swear to banish their influence forever, take part in using the achievements of the British people. For several centuries native British peoples have dominated geopolitics.
It does not make sense that a great people with such a great history of achievement should be replaced, especially not by the kind of people who are replacing them right now. Congoids, Turks and Afro-Asiatics have no business setting foot on the European continent, much less in the splendid British isles. Their culture and their genetics will not enrich the native British culture or people in any way- they will destroy it. They are just too different, their temperaments and psyche and everything else are not compatible. Also, the replacement is so fast I fear the natives will not have much time to influence so many newcommers. This is not enrichment, this is not augmentation, this is replacement.
The native British people have a god-given right to exist.
I live in a very enriched community, and I'm not convinced tbh. The different peoples of the world have different temperaments- objectively they are not superior or inferior, just different. And they should stay that way, they should embrace that difference by living in different communities. They can trade, they can cooperate, they can exchange ideas without mixing together and destroying the diversity they have (and making things generally unpleasant for the people living in said mixed communities).
Except the groups whose birth rates have gone down the drain are whites and east asians...
Enjoy exploring the stars with your Somali crew, space cadet.
Yeah, ikr. It's 2016 after all.
They have more right to live here because (some of) their great great great etc. grandparents were here first? If you say so...
Of course cultures are different. But they blend and they change and so the world progresses as it always has. "Arrogant" is not one I hear often, I'll admit, but every contribution to the bank of silly insults people have thrown at me because they disagree with me is appreciated.
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