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You know who else supports Sanders and Stein? Sokka's Instincts!
That's a double standard. Has Donald Trump ever stated that he plans to destroy America? Nope. Therefore, you have no evidence of that. You have made a conclusion based on what he and others have said.
And yes, I do listen to others. Because it is impossible not to. But I have come to my own conclusions as a human being, and I believe that there is overwhelming circumstantial evidence that Hillary is corrupt, so much that it is hard to believe she isn't. No, there isn't an email that's been released between Hillary and Debbie regarding their collusion, but we do have both of them calling Sanders supporters violent after Nevada, when all the video evidence proved that they had flat out lied.
We should form a new political party to tackle these actual issues that affect real Americans every day!
#FireNationForHillary
Yeah! We can call it the television party!
#sanderszaheer2016
By the way, the fire nation is good now. And for those who don't understand the sokka's instincts joke, sokka, from Avatar the last airbender, has notoriously bad instincts.
Ooh, better one:#SandersAmon2016
Both inspired failed revolutions xD
I haven't watched the show in at least 10 years lol. I should rewatch it.
1) Fire Nation = Evil Forever
2) I could have sworn you said insects instead of instincts lmao
First, the party will be called the TeaV Party!
Second, THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT DIE. Hillary is the King George to Sander's George Washington. We all know who won in the end.
Third, fun fact: I have classes in center city the day of the convention so I will have to spend some time with the protesters lol
I have an amazing bernie/TeaV Party shirt that I'll be wearing:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/25CnvEeZwmA/maxresdefault.jpg
TeaV Party! Perfect! Hillary is most certainly not King George! Hillary is leading a revolution of her own, and it has just shattered glass!
Regarding Bernie protesters, he lost fair and square. Yes the system could be reformed, but it isn't corrupt, and the people have spoken with the popular vote, which Hillary won. And honestly, Bernie supporters are kinda hypocritical, especially since Bernie is trying to flip the super delegates. I bet that if Bernie had won, with establishment support, nobody would be protesting it, except maybe some Hillary supporters angry that sanders won by betraying his own policies.
The popular vote was corrupted by the mass disenfranchisement of voters by Hillary supporters.
And Hillary has led no revolution. A revolution requires change. She brings none.
And even as a Bernie or Bust supporter, I do not approve of the use of superdelegates by any candidate. But what I disprove of is Hillary and her puppet Debbie Shultz's ownership of the media, which they used to peddle proven lies about Bernie. They deliberately misinformed the populace, labeling him as the violent one, even though Hillary was the one who holds responsibility for countless deaths thanks to her pro-war militant policies.
TeaV Party ftw! End all news!
Oh, give me a break. The people voted, and Hillary won by millions of votes. Don't reject the will of the people. The whole "corrupt popular vote" claim is bs, and you know it. Even if you reject the results of the delegate apportionment, Hillary won the popular vote by millions fair and square. The DNC wouldn't, nor could they, rig an election to that scale (you give them too much credit, they aren't capable enough to do it). You're just upset that Bernie didn't win. If you truly believed what Bernie preaches, you'd respect the will of the people, whether your candidate does or not.
And the TeaV party still hasn't decided on stances. We'd have to hold a party convention for that.
Finally, some people are doing something. My representative in Congress, Rep. Murphy, led a walkout in the House during the moment of silence, to protest congress doing nothing, and for literally being silent during a tragedy. It does not honor the victims to remain silent. All it does is tell them "we're sorry this happened to you, but here is a few seconds of silence to remember you." That's all they do. Then they ask G-d to stop this, but guess what? If prayer worked, then we wouldn't still be having all these mass shootings, certainly not after 20 kids were killed in my own county[/]. No fact, it's my opinion that G-d doesn't usually act directly, but rather indirectly. For example, I believe that when we pray for someone to get better, or for the end to a disease, He acts indirectly. He answers our prayers, but rather than directly healing someone, He answers us by giving us medicine, and the ability to make it. The medicine we use, that Christian scientists protest, [i]is His answer to our prayers. It's the same with all these mass killings. He isn't going to directly intervene in human affairs, but He will guide us, and I think what He would want is for us to pass gun control legislation.
XD according to Samantha bee, the bible literally says that you actually have to do something in addition to praying.
I am a libertarian. I support the will of the people above all. But the will of the people was not accurately represented because the Democratic Party, which really is just a bunch of Republicans who falsely claim to be progressive, systematically disenfranchised their very own voters on the scale of millions. The lower estimate is 3 million. Which is a huge margin of error.
Our current situation is that the Congress is bought by lobbyist organizations like the NRA. We need to make the government by, of, and for the people again. Make America A Democracy Again! 1 person 1 vote! More Voters Less Donors!
Here's my response to all this religious nonsense: WHY THE HELL ARE YOU LOOKING TO JESUS TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS WHEN YOU COULD EASILY GET OFF YOUR ASS AND FIX IT YOURSELF! Don't spend 6 hours praying when you could use that same 6 hours writing a bill banning the use of AR-15's.
I am many things. But I am NOT a republican. The people of the Democratic Party votes fair and square, and to dismiss the clear will of the people, expressed through the popular vote, as nothing more than corrupt results from a party that prides itself on fighting voter fraud is what truly disenfranchises people. So far, you make all these claims that the primaries, and Hillary, are corrupt and that they altered the results of the primaries, without providing any evidence of it, simply what you believe, and what sanders and all of his other supporters have said. Well, I refuse to debate this subject with you until you can provide valid, incontrovertible proof that your claims are accurate, and that these primaries were rigged from the beginning. News flash: the majority of democrats supporting Hillary doesn't qualify as "rigged", just that more democrats want her to be president than they do Bernie. That's exactly how an election works; the people support one candidate more than the other. Regardless, I refuse to debate this subject until you can validate and prove your claims beyond a doubt. And because I'm sure you'll ask me to do the same thing, I've already got valid proof ready: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary
According to basically every national poll, which are credible sources, the democrats prefer Hillary to sanders. You can't call that rigged.
Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PgtduZpNq4&app=desktop
Samantha bee raises very good points. How do Bernie supporters expect to convince the likely republican controlled congress to change their minds? It doesn't a matter of you have a movement, nothing's gonna convince the republicans to budge. Just look at the gun control debate. The republicans refuse to do anything but silence. How do the Bernie supporters expect them to pass things that they are even more strongly opposed to?
ohh my godddddd... okay so you're telling me that the fact that establishment representatives (super delegates) siding with Hillary before the race even got started paired with big news corporations saying that Bernie has no chance did not sway or interfere with the authentic democratic process? Hillary supporters definitely have corrupted the process in support of her, the whole process was preemptively made so that establishment politicians could overshadow grass roots campaigns. This type of ignorance is dangerous, you have to recognize the fault in the process and the fault in the way the primaries were run. Voter suppression reports from multiple states are not to be dismissed, they are real and they are affecting the outcomes of the elections.
The video by Samantha Bee is a perfect example of disenfranchisement. The perfect example of how Hillary supporters have dismissed Bernie supporters to be too optimistic and quite childish.
Since you want to talk about how the two Democratic nominee candidates would enact change in a republican congress as president, let us, but let's not disenfranchise millions of supporters in the process. The congress is controlled by republicans, that's true no matter who the president is at this moment. In all seriousness, Hillary wouldn't make as much change as you are insinuating. There is a deep rooted hate towards the Clintons and if they blocked everything Obama did, his virtual twin Hillary would greet the same blockage. The difference comes when the congressional elections would happen. Be honest, who do you think has inspired more people, Hillary or Bernie? The answer is Bernie, his message is much more empowering than the gradual change we hear from Hillary, it has also reached and touched more people. Come the elections, a Sanders presidency would more likely result in a Democrat controlled Congress as he moves people to action much more than Hillary.
The answer is obvious, if you want a person that can defeat Trump (according to all major, national polls) and enact change by bringing about a Democrat Controlled Congress, Bernie is he one without a doubt.
First of all, I wasn't just talking about super delegates, I was talking about the party in general. You can't blame democratic voters for supporting The candidate they want to support. To say that I'm part of the corruption just because I support Hillary and announce it to the world is wrong. And by the way, if super delegates didn't exist, Bernie would have been eliminated sooner. And I never said that the primary process was faultless or infallible. I'm sure it has faults, and I never said we shouldn't look into them. Don't put words in my mouth and then call me ignorant for them. We certainly should have independent agencies look into them, but I'm also saying that if and when they don't find anything, you should respect that rather than disregard the results. And don't blame Hillary. As bad as you think this is, I don't think she had anything to do with these allegations. If these allegations do happen to be true, it's likely state or local party leaders behind them, not Hillary. Don't blame her and refuse to consider voting for her just because of the party. And the Samantha Bee videos highlight how unfortunately, the Bernie supporters seem to be unfairly alienating Hillary over claims that still have yet to be proven. I urge you to actually take a moment to consider the actual validity of all the claims, and to do actual research, from sources on both sides of the arguement, before you prematurely jump to conclusions. And I agree that, like Obama, Hillary likely wouldn't get much done with a republican congress, but neither would Bernie, and Hillary is more likely to negotiate on certain compromises than Bernie. And I'll admit that Bernie does inspire more people, but that doesn't mean Hillary can't. I feel inspired by her, in fact. But whether or not one of them could better help create a democratic congress is up for debate. But regardless, I want a president who will compromise until midterms, when we have the chance to retake congress. But unfortunately, the house may be republican for a while. The senate isn't a sure thing either. And unfortunately, bernie's not going to convince them to support his agenda. I'm not even positive that a democratic congress will fully support him.
Regarding Trump, Hillary is ahead of trump by 12 points, and honestly I'm not even sure Bernie would be able to defeat trump, no offense. Regardless, Hillary is the nominee, and this election is about more than just change, it is about the fate of the nation. We can't let Donald trump win, and honestly, I support Bernie sander's policies, but right now, this is not the right time to try and enact big changes, this is the time to stop trump. Throughout history, when nations have tried enacting big changes during huge times of tension and turmoil, it has never ended well. We must stay strong and united as a party, make it through the election, defeat trump, reunite the nation, and then we can worry about reform. No offense, but the radicals in every party (and yes, I mean every, including main and 3rd parties. I heard the radicals at the liberatarian convention even called for the abolishment of drivers licenses.) are dividing this nation to the point that we must reunite the public before we attempt reforms. If we remain divided, trump wins. We must first stop trump, the man trying to destroy this country, before we can reverse the republican's damage and do things like free healthcare. And don't forget, if trump becomes president, you won't have to worry, because trump will quash Bernie's revolution before you have a chance. Like it or not, Hillary is the democratic nominee, and our best bet to defeating Trump is to unite as a party and defeat trump. Then we can pass the reforms. Hillary is the best chance to do that. True, she's not as liberal as Bernie, but stein and Johnson don't have the votes to win. Hillary does, and she has the nomination, like it or not. The problem is, a lot of Bernie supporters are holdouts, simply because they don't like her, and don't think she is liberal enough. Well, guess what? She wants the same things as Bernie, just on a smaller scale, one that America can actually handle, particularly in times of turmoil. And Hillary isn't running to be liked. She is running to help get our country back on the right (or in this case, left XD) path. You may not like her, but that shouldn't deter you from supporting the candidate who can win. She is our only shot, whether you like it or not (I'll remind you she is 12 points ahead of trump). Don't let trump win just because you're too stubborn to consider what's best for everyone, not just your own interests. I would vote republican in a heartbeat if it meant someone like trump doesn't win, not matter how much I disagreed with them (if the democrats had an equally bad candidate or no candidate, that is). If circumstances were such a way that there was no democratic choice, or a racist mysogynistic bigot like trump running on the dem ticket, I would gladly vote for Ted Cruz (holding my nose, of course), if it meant that nobody who is or is like trump won. Luckily, we have Hillary. She may not be perfect, but she is your only bet at defeating trump. You may consider her the devil, but she is the devil you know.
No but I can blame big news for never taking Bernie or his supporters seriously and only covering Hillary. You cannot refute that there is an overwhelming bias from organizations such as CNN and MSNCB in favor of Hillary.
That's entirely speculative.
I'm not disregarding them, I'm questioning the legitimacy of a pure democratic process.
This doesn't make any sense, you think these leaders independently took action in support of Hillary without influence from her or her campaign? Highly unlikely and even if so, you should be concerned that her campaign has moved officials to corruption.
Thank you for dismissing my argument. I have done my research. I have taken into consideration. I chose Bernie over Hillary. It's ironic that you ask me to do my research when many voters are blindly supporting Hillary. Bernie is an alternative option. Hillary is the default.
Right now we can't have compromise, we need change. We need it now.
Anecdotal evidence.
Bernie would beat Trump. That's widely agreed. Hillary? Not so much. Psychologically, Republicans hate Hillary. That's also widely agreed. Republicans dislike Trump but not as much as they dislike Hillary. Bernie, believe it or not, is a middleman in this situation. Republicans and Libertarians alike would choose Bernie over Hillary and Trump. But they might not choose Hillary over Trump.
We're in turmoil? Please provide evidence for countries that are similar to the US that have enacted tuition free college, single payer healthcare, a $15 minimum wage, corruption free politics, and greener policies that have collapsed due to it. I haven't heard of any, but then again I should do "actual research" :)
I'm done with this tbh, you're arguments are stereotypical Hillary supporter arguments.
I'm not dismissing your argument, I'm addressing it. And I have done my research, I have studied politics, and made my own determinations based on it. You've provided nothing to prove the validity of your claims. All I'm doing is urging you to consider each point of view, and the notion that perhaps we should rally around the only candidate who made it to the general election who has a chance to beat trump. I'm not debating that we need change. But a) change has never been immediate, and b) right now the important thing is beating trump. None of what Bernie proposes will matter if trump wins. Hillary will at least partially implement his plans. Trump will quash Bernie's revolution the second he enters office. And I'm not debating who is better for defeating trump. What matters is that Hillary won the nomination and is going to the general election. Bernie is not. Out of all the general election candidates, Hillary is the only one with a chance to beat trump. Now, answer this: would you rather that trump wins and we live under AT LEAST 4 years of his likely oppressive rule and the rule of the republicans, a party that is just oppressive and corrupt as you claim the democrats are, if not more, with no chance of achieving your agenda, or 4 years of Hillary, who will at the very least, encourage your movement, talk with the leaders of it, and work to pass at least some of Bernie's agenda, and isn't a racist bigot? And regarding the turmoil, currently pretty much every party, including democrats, republicans, and Libertarians, is being challenged by their radicals, who are furthering the party divides in this country. That's causing turmoil. And like it or not, you need to be careful with making changes, because they can and have torn apart countries during times of turmoil. Regardless, it just isn't the right time. We do need these changes, but we need more stability first, before we can make these reforms, and we need to control congress. Only then is Bernie's vision able to begin. But I garuantee you, opposing the candidate who can help to at least usher it in during her time in office won't help anyone but trump.
And I'm done with this arguement because you haven't provided any evidence for your claims. You keep saying all this about how corrupt the party and Hillary are, but that's all I've seen. I've seen no factual evidence. All you are doing is providing stereotypical Bernie arguments. And baby the way, I'm making my arguments because it's just common sense, and I decided on this arguements after extensive research. and they aren't arguments for Hillary, they are arguements against trump. He cannot beat trump, and I genuinely believe that at this point, Hillary is our only option if we want to beat him. Now, I'm done trying to convince you of the best way to defeat trump. I just hope you haven't simply summarily judged and dismissed Hillary without actually considering our side, and that you aren't simply basing your decisions and arguments solely on what you've heard from Bernie and his supporters. But come November, don't blame us Hillary supporters of Trump wins because not enough Bernie supporters voted for her , probably for some out of spite.
Oh, and one last thing before I end this argument: I don't support Hillary blindly. I am very aware of her faults, and the emails do somewhat concern me, but I believe the benefits far out way the negatives, especially when you take trump into consideration. Hillary is not a default for me, she is the best hope if we want to defeat trump. I've already stated, I did indeed consider Bernie, and I do share many of his viewpoints, but ultimately Hillary is our best bet right now.
okay literally I've done my research probably to the extent you have. to insinuate I haven't is really rude tbh :)
you're talking to me as if I don't know anything and that I'm blindly choosing bernie. I supported Hillary at the beginning of her campaign and then I did my research. I then supported bernie, I supported him over her. the research I did led me to believe that Bernie was authentic and a real champion of the middle and working class. you're not helping your candidate my alienating voters she needs to win the election by treating us as uninformed.
I'm sorry if it seemed I was insinuating that. I simply believe you should all take a much harder look at Hillary before you dismiss her, even if you already did.
I'm sorry if it seems that way. But please do consider the fact that we need to do whatever it takes to defeat trump. Would you really want to risk him being president just because you don't really like Hillary? I'm not trying to treat you as uninformed, and I'm sorry if you thought that, I'm trying to make sure you understand that there's consequences to a trump presidency, and we must do whatever we can to stop them. You must consider wisely who you vote for, and a 3rd party or write in vote would be very risky. As we've learned from the 1912 election, 3rd party candidates can steal votes away from a main party candidate who they'd otherwise vote for. Then, what happens is someone else wins, even if they aren't as well liked as another candidate. Unfortunately, this can happen, and it could cause a trump presidency. I love my nation too much to allow a trump presidency. I'm sorry if you think I am trying to scare you, but you should be. The prospect of a trump presidency is truly a scary thing, and we must do whatever we can to stop it. We must not allow such a rash, mysogynistic, bigoted, short-tempered bully run the entire world.
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