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Regarding the above argument, I think that we just need to change our immigration system so that it's easier for people to get here. Then there wouldn't BE so many illegal immigrants, but more immigrants in general, which would be a huge boost for our economy (which needs it). Trump would not do that.

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Ilvadaki wrote:How is this different from Jerusalem?

First of all, welcome.
Second of all, I would appreciate if you write all you want in one post, rather than three.
Third, to answer your question, like in real life, Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel. Israel is a state, Jerusalem is a city. Same thing here: Jerusalem has much less people and activity, but its essence is the same.
And of course, the people are different and the founder there is much less nicer than I am :)

Ilvadaki wrote:Are only Jews allowed, or just Abrahamic faiths? Are atheists or Hindus or Buddhists allowed?

Read the RMB, it's all there.
Come to think of it, how did you enter without reading it? The password's written there. Or did you stop reading just when you got to the password?

Ilvadaki wrote:Is there an elected regional government?

Not (yet) enough nations for that. We held elections some time ago, but too few have voted and it was a tie.

Ilvadaki wrote:Do we have a military?

We have an active founder, so why do we need a military?

All the dishonest conversation I've seen pop up about the Orlando shooting is the most despicable crap I've ever seen. Victim-blaming, spreading the anti-gun agenda and the non-stop Islamic apologism.
Whatever your views on Islam, you have to all agree it is not a religion of peace and it is at its core bigoted, anti-semitic and misogynistic.

The Tel-Aviv reporting was even worse, when Al-Jazeera tried to claim it was some Hasidim that perpetrated the shooting and not Arab terrorists.

Islamic apologism has to STOP.

Cederland and Der judenstaat

I have read the RMD; the appearance doesn't always reflect the views of the region's members and therefore the policies of the region.

And Islam isn't a religion of violence, or evil, or any of that racist crap. I assume you're Jewish? What you have written above looks very similar to the things said about Jews for millenia and is still said today. EXTREMIST Islam is generally violent towards other faiths, but Islam itself is nothing bad. And you're saying, "Muslims are all evil, I hate Muslims and Islam" isn't helping very much.

Alkzine and Der judenstaat

Ilvadaki wrote:I have read the RMD; the appearance doesn't always reflect the views of the region's members and therefore the policies of the region.
And Islam isn't a religion of violence, or evil, or any of that racist crap. I assume you're Jewish? What you have written above looks very similar to the things said about Jews for millenia and is still said today. EXTREMIST Islam is generally violent towards other faiths, but Islam itself is nothing bad. And you're saying, "Muslims are all evil, I hate Muslims and Islam" isn't helping very much.

Islam is not a race and will never be a race, no matter how hard you try to make it one.

Israel Ambassador, Eretz tzion, Ilvadaki, and Der judenstaat

Der judenstaat

This region seems much more active than before, we should have another go at creating a regional government.

Israel Ambassador and Ilvadaki

Cederland wrote:No, it's not. I could literally say "All Mexicans are rapists" and it still wouldn't be racist, because Mexican is not a race. The regressive left never rests in it's attempt to make every non-white nationality and religion into a race.

Cederland you keep arguing about terminology. All the time.
But I'm sorry to say, you're on the wrong side even on that. Racism is not just about races. Here's how racism is defined in section 144A of the Israel Penal Code (חוק העונשין התשל"ז - 1977):
"racism" – persecution, humiliation, degradation, a display of enmity, hostility or violence, or causing violence against a public or parts of the population, all because of their color, racial affiliation or national ethnic origin.
("גזענות" - רדיפה, השפלה, ביזוי, גילוי איבה, עוינות או אלימות, או גרימת מדנים כלפי ציבור או חלקים של האוכלוסיה, והכל בשל צבע או השתייכות לגזע או למוצא לאומי-אתני)
So, you may be right in your answer to Ilvadaki, but certainly not to me.

Cederland wrote:a false equivalence. If the judge was a Hispanic-American with no Mexican background, then like your Arab story, it would be racist for Trump to say he had a conflict of interest. In order for the analogy to be anything other than a false equivalence, the Arab judge would have to have parents from, say, Egypt, and be dealing with an issue involving Egypt.
Trump was obviously just being a sore loser, that doesn't make him a racist.

Not true, my friend, not at all true. That's the whole point. The case of Trump University has nothing to do with Mexico. So if being of a Mexican origin (while being an American citizen, even born in America) rules you out as a judge in any of Trump's cases - that is, in fact, racist.

Ilvadaki wrote:I have read the RMD; the appearance doesn't always reflect the views of the region's members and therefore the policies of the region.
And Islam isn't a religion of violence, or evil, or any of that racist crap. I assume you're Jewish? What you have written above looks very similar to the things said about Jews for millenia and is still said today. EXTREMIST Islam is generally violent towards other faiths, but Islam itself is nothing bad. And you're saying, "Muslims are all evil, I hate Muslims and Islam" isn't helping very much.

Excuse me?
There are so many things wrong with this. First of all, I find it ludicrous that you would stand up for a religion whose holy book literally promotes your murder and the destruction of our people. I never once mentioned Muslims as people and there are good people (I personally know a few), but my statement stands. The religion is fundamentally flawed. It's not a religion of peace.
I never claimed to represent the region, I represent myself.
Also, there is a HUGE difference between the two groups you're comparing. It's a bad comparison and it's a dishonest one that I've heard the anti-Semitic ultra-left use a lot. There are 1,6 BILLION Muslims, they're the second most powerful religion in the world. They have nuclear-armed states, they have huge militaries. Before 1948 Jews had none of that. Also, Islam is not an ethnicity, it's an ideology.

Israel Ambassador and Cederland

Sea Dolphin Lovers wrote:Cederland you keep arguing about terminology. All the time.
But I'm sorry to say, you're on the wrong side even on that. Racism is not just about races. Here's how racism is defined in section 144A of the Israel Penal Code (חוק העונשין התשל"ז - 1977):
"racism" – persecution, humiliation, degradation, a display of enmity, hostility or violence, or causing violence against a public or parts of the population, all because of their color, racial affiliation or national ethnic origin.
("גזענות" - רדיפה, השפלה, ביזוי, גילוי איבה, עוינות או אלימות, או גרימת מדנים כלפי ציבור או חלקים של האוכלוסיה, והכל בשל צבע או השתייכות לגזע או למוצא לאומי-אתני)

This is the only reference I've ever heard made to "national ethnic origin", but it notably doesn't say "national origin". This probably just refers to things like saying you hate Armenians (citizens of Armenia) to get away with discriminating against Armenians (ethnic people of Armenia).
Oxford dictionary online (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/racism) defines racism as
"Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior"
Neither Mexican nor Hispanic is a race.

Sea Dolphin Lovers wrote:So, you may be right in your answer to Ilvadaki, but certainly not to me.

Sea Dolphin Lovers wrote:Not true, my friend, not at all true. That's the whole point. The case of Trump University has nothing to do with Mexico. So if being of a Mexican origin (while being an American citizen, even born in America) rules you out as a judge in any of Trump's cases - that is, in fact, racist.

It's incredibly stupid and prejudiced, but it's not targeted against someone of a different race based on the belief that Trump's race is superior. White Mexicans would also be the target of Trump's discrimination, so would you say that Trump is racist against white people?

I'm not "standing up for Islam." I'm saying, Islam isn't so different a religion from ours, or Christianity, or Zoroastrianism. It has different beliefs from us, sure, but will you hate the religion of Christianity just because the Ku Klux Klan was predominantly Christian (and still is)? You have Muslim friends, yes? When you see them praying, practicing their religion, is it really that different from us? Islam is what you make it, as are all religions. Islam itself isn't flawed, just a small minority of its followers that we assume represent the whole religion. It would be like is a small extremist sect of Judaism (maybe ten people)decided to act on the Talmud and started to kill Gentiles, would that mean that all of Judaism was a bad religion?

And how have I tried to stereotype Muslims into a single race? The whole idea is crazy. There are Indian Muslims, white Muslims, Arab Muslims, black Muslims--it's not a race.

Ilvadaki wrote:I'm not "standing up for Islam." I'm saying, Islam isn't so different a religion from ours, or Christianity, or Zoroastrianism.

It kind of is though since Islam teaches that the followers of all the other religions you listed should be murdered or forced to pay the Jizya.

Ilvadaki wrote:It has different beliefs from us, sure, but will you hate the religion of Christianity just because the Ku Klux Klan was predominantly Christian (and still is)?

Muslims murder more people every day than the KKK has in the last 70 years.

Ilvadaki wrote:You have Muslim friends, yes?


No, according to the Quran, that is impossible.
Quran 5:51
"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people"
If a Jew has Muslim friends, those Muslims are actually Jews, according to Muhammad, the founder of Islam.

Ilvadaki wrote:When you see them praying, practicing their religion, is it really that different from us? Islam is what you make it, as are all religions. Islam itself isn't flawed,

It teaches the mass murder of anyone who doesn't follow it, that women's testimonies are less valuable than men's, that it's acceptable to marry a 9 year old, you don't think that's flawed?

Ilvadaki wrote:just a small minority of its followers that we assume represent the whole religion.


Like Muhammad, who marauded around the Arabian peninsula enslaving and murdering hundreds of people for not believing in what he told them. The "small minority" includes the founder of the religion.

In reality, the majority of Muslims in most Muslim majority countries support Sharia law.
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That includes 99% of Afghanis (one of the main countries refugees are coming from), 91% of Iraqis (another major refugee source), and 89% of Fakestinians.

Ilvadaki wrote:It would be like is a small extremist sect of Judaism (maybe ten people)decided to act on the Talmud and started to kill Gentiles, would that mean that all of Judaism was a bad religion?

No. If Judaism taught that you should mass murder all the gentiles, and Jews started killing hundreds of people a year for not being Jewish, mass riots occurred whenever anyone spoke badly about Judaism, 99% of Jewish Israelis supported returning to the law of Leviticus (beating people to death with stones for being gay and such), the founder of Judaism called his followers to murder all non-Jews, then it would mean Judaism was a bad religion.

Ilvadaki wrote:And how have I tried to stereotype Muslims into a single race? The whole idea is crazy. There are Indian Muslims, white Muslims, Arab Muslims, black Muslims--it's not a race.

That's what we've been telling you.

Mossad agent h

*sigh*
That whole "race" talk gives me the creeps. As a long-time Nazi-slayer, when I hear the word "race" I reach for my gun. :)

Eretz tzion, Ilvadaki, and Der judenstaat

Ilvadaki wrote: I'm saying, Islam isn't so different a religion from ours, or Christianity, or Zoroastrianism. It has different beliefs from us, sure, but will you hate the religion of Christianity just because the Ku Klux Klan was predominantly Christian (and still is)? . It would be like is a small extremist sect of Judaism (maybe ten people)decided to act on the Talmud and started to kill Gentiles, would that mean that all of Judaism was a bad religion?

I agree with some of what you're saying, BUT, firstly, it's not ten out of every fifteen million Muslims is an extremist... according the Daily Beast, it's 12%. A heck of a lot more. Secondly, it says something that since the time of Rambam, there has been Islamic extremism - but never have Jews gone and murdered anyone and justified it with anything in the Torah.

Mossad agent h

Alkzine wrote:I agree with some of what you're saying, BUT, firstly, it's not ten out of every fifteen million Muslims is an extremist... according the Daily Beast, it's 12%.

40% support murdering apostates.

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/541c69b5e4b0462bd0ef35a2/t/56808618a976af5d46169695/1451263516913/

7% engage in terrorist activities. That's a lot of people, but not that much of a percentage of Muslims. If Muslim nations would just get a TINY bit more advanced, socially economically, and governmentally, then that number would drop down to near zero. Malaysia, for instance, is a rising South Asian democracy......and it's majority Muslim. Egypt and Turkey, while still not as good, are certainly improving in all areas. Also almost all Muslim. What about Nigeria? Morocco? The real reason for so many Muslim terrorists isn't really Islam at all. It's just that Muslim countries are generally second-or-third-world-countries. The reasons for this are primarily natural recourses, as well as the effects of European colonialism.

And I said ten as a ratio. It's approximated.

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I think we should try for a regional government. We have at least six active members; probably more. Also, a recruitment policy would be useful. I get the feeling that there are a lot of nations that would like to join.
There are a BUNCH of regions like, "Associated Jewish States," and "Israeli State," that would probably have a few people who want to join, if they knew.

Though, if we publicized this a bit more, anti-Zionists would probably come in hordes.

What was the Nazi occupation? Was that a real phase in this region's history, or was it just an appearance thing?

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Ilvadaki wrote:7% engage in terrorist activities. That's a lot of people, but not that much of a percentage of Muslims. If Muslim nations would just get a TINY bit more advanced, socially economically, and governmentally, then that number would drop down to near zero. Malaysia, for instance, is a rising South Asian democracy......and it's majority Muslim.

Freedom of speech and freedom of the press are not guaranteed in Malaysia.

Ilvadaki wrote:Egypt and Turkey, while still not as good, are certainly improving in all areas. Also almost all Muslim.


The Armenian holocaust state that has illegally colonized part of Cyprus? That's the example you want to go for?

Ilvadaki wrote:What about Nigeria?

What about it?

Ilvadaki wrote:Morocco?

It doesn't even recognize Israel lmao.

Ilvadaki wrote:The real reason for so many Muslim terrorists isn't really Islam at all.


WRONG!

Ilvadaki wrote:It's just that Muslim countries are generally second-or-third-world-countries.

The reason for Islamic terror is Islam calling people to commit terror.

Ilvadaki wrote:The reasons for this are primarily natural recourses, as well as the effects of European colonialism.

When in doubt, just blame white people.

If that were actually the case, third world countries like Namibia or Angola that were colonized in the past would be hotbeds of Christian terror.

I'm half-Scottish, so you cant really accuse me of blaming white people. I AM white. I'm not quite sure how you so fancily arrange your posts, so I'm just going to go and address all your misconceptions separately.

Freedom of press and news media are not guaranteed in ANYWHERE in that part of the world. Myanmar (Burma), Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam are all notoriously bad on freedom of speech and press. And they're all majority Buddhist and oppressive authoritarian regimes. The only three democracies in ASEAN are Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, New Guinea (sort of), and Singapore (kinda), which are the only majority Muslim countries in the area.

Don't criticize Turkey and Egypt. Given their location and recourses, they've done a remarkable job as countries.

Nigeria is the second-most vibrant economy in Africa, and happens to be majority Muslim.

Islam itself is nothing bad. The modern interpretation of Islam has gotten slightly more radical. It would be like if instead of the Reform movement that happened in Christianity and Judaism, there would be the opposite, with Muslims tending to get more fundamentalist. In that instance, you are correct. It is Islam that is making all of these horrible things happen. But it is not Islam as a religion. As a religion, Islam is nothing bad. The Five Pillars of Islam (the core of Muslim commandments) are: Pilgrimage, Faith, Charity, Fasting, and Prayer. Charity. Right there is the commandment to do good in the world. A small sect of fundamentalist Muslims have taken over our view of Islam as a religion. It's just plain and simple stereotyping.

Actually, it turns out Singapore is only about 1/3 Muslim. Immigration.

Ilvadaki wrote:I'm half-Scottish, so you cant really accuse me of blaming white people. I AM white. I'm not quite sure how you so fancily arrange your posts, so I'm just going to go and address all your misconceptions separately.
Freedom of press and news media are not guaranteed in ANYWHERE in that part of the world. Myanmar (Burma), Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam are all notoriously bad on freedom of speech and press. And they're all majority Buddhist and oppressive authoritarian regimes. The only three democracies in ASEAN are Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, New Guinea (sort of), and Singapore (kinda),

That's not three. Myanmar has had democracy since 2011 and Thailand has always had it, voting is compulsory.

Ilvadaki wrote:which are the only majority Muslim countries in the area.
Don't criticize Turkey and Egypt.

The Armenian holocaust state is one of the worst countries on the planet.

Ilvadaki wrote:Given their location and recourses, they've done a remarkable job as countries.

The Armenian holocaust state has done a remarkable job committing and denying the Armenian holocaust, illegally occupying Cyprus, committing the Greek genocide, etc.

Ilvadaki wrote:Nigeria is the second-most vibrant economy in Africa, and happens to be majority Muslim.

So vice-king of the losers, then?

Ilvadaki wrote:Islam itself is nothing bad.


It's a despicable religion that teaches violence and hatred.

Ilvadaki wrote:The modern interpretation of Islam has gotten slightly more radical.

Muhammad and his direct followers were racketeers, murderers and slave traders, the only thing that has changed is weaponry and other technology has become more advanced.

Ilvadaki wrote:It would be like if instead of the Reform movement that happened in Christianity and Judaism, there would be the opposite, with Muslims tending to get more fundamentalist.

Muslims have stayed the level of batshit insane that Muhammad taught, technology has become more advanced and allowed them to commit atrocities the Quran endorses on a much greater scale, such as the aforementioned Armenian holocaust.

Ilvadaki wrote:In that instance, you are correct. It is Islam that is making all of these horrible things happen. But it is not Islam as a religion. As a religion, Islam is nothing bad.


As a religion, Islam is a vile ideology of hatred, antisemitism, barbarism and evil which calls for racketeering, murder, and slavery.

Ilvadaki wrote:The Five Pillars of Islam (the core of Muslim commandments) are: Pilgrimage, Faith, Charity, Fasting, and Prayer. Charity. Right there is the commandment to do good in the world.

Right, let's see Muhammad's commandments to do good in the world:
Slay the idolators wherever they are found (Quran 9:5)
Fight the unbelievers who are near to you (Quran 9:123)
Strike off the heads of the unbelievers (Quran 8:12)
You can only have sex with your wives, and your female sex slaves (Quran 4:24)
You cannot have non-Muslim friends, and anyone who takes a non-muslim as a friend is one of them (Quran 5:51)

Islam is the problem.

Ilvadaki wrote:A small sect of fundamentalist Muslims

40%

Ilvadaki wrote:have taken over our view of Islam as a religion.

They are doing what Islam commands and permits them to do.

Ilvadaki wrote:It's just plain and simple stereotyping.

Saying all communists believe in Communism is stereotyping, my interpretation of communism is capitalism.

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