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The new sea territory

Kyerat wrote:Greetings comrades

Welcome.

Kyerat

Kyerat wrote:Greetings comrades

I am new to anarchism and have to learn some things . Can someone recommend some books that i can study in order to make a start :)

Folkvangr anarchists

Hey everyone :-)

Folkvangr anarchists and Kyerat

Folkvangr anarchists

Kyerat wrote:I am new to anarchism and have to learn some things . Can someone recommend some books that i can study in order to make a start :)

Central European Commonwealth wrote:Hey everyone :-)

Welcome to the FAC! Glad to have you all here.

Kyerat, check out our region's handbook here, page=dispatch/id=567019 , which has some suggestions for instroductory readings into anarchism! hope that helps you!

Kyerat

Folkvangr anarchists

Folkvangr anarchists

Kassimo wrote:This is a very accomplished reflection on contemporary class struggle anarchism, and a perspective that I share and have been trying to practice myself. I am struggling to find anything to question. ...
I could dance with joy at hearing such vital understanding expressed so lucidly!

Thank you for the kind words comrade! It means a lot coming from you! I'll get to forming a response to your points soon. I suppose it's good timing that my Enactor term has begun just as I'm starting to be more active on the RMB! This has been an extremely useful and interesting conversation that I hope continues and I thank you and NST as well as anyone else who contributes for taking the time to think about our ideas and form articulate responses!

If it's okay with everyone who's chipped in, I wouldn't mind possibly saving some of these posts in a factbook for future reference, with possible editing for typos and minor grammatical confusions. Let me know and hope to hear from you all about these topics soon.

The new sea territory

Thought just came to me:

I was watching an interview with Bookchin about situationism, and he said they basically just stole their ideas from everyone else and synthesized these ideas under one label. Ironically, this is post-left anarchism in a nutshell: criticize ideology, morality and organization the exact same way Stirner and insurrectionist anarchists did, and pass it off as your own. It seems the post-leftists were influenced by the SI in more ways than they'd like to admit.

The only real difference is that the situationists didn't throw in nonsense about primitivsm or abandoning left-wing politics altogether, although we can somewhat blame Bookchin himself for pushing them to that.

The new sea territory wrote:Thought just came to me:
I was watching an interview with Bookchin about situationism, and he said they basically just stole their ideas from everyone else and synthesized these ideas under one label. Ironically, this is post-left anarchism in a nutshell: criticize ideology, morality and organization the exact same way Stirner and insurrectionist anarchists did, and pass it off as your own. It seems the post-leftists were influenced by the SI in more ways than they'd like to admit.
The only real difference is that the situationists didn't throw in nonsense about primitivsm or abandoning left-wing politics altogether, although we can somewhat blame Bookchin himself for pushing them to that.

Yeah, Bookchin gets a lot of flak, and I think he was... unnecessarily outspoken at some times. But overall, his writings are excellent and provide a good framework for libertarian socialist societies. Indeed, we have Rojava as a good, albeit imperfect, example of that. I think a major draw for me to him was his theory of social ecology, which I think is one of the greatest modern lib-soc texts. Looking at a culture-nature relationship critically and constructing a theory of how a proper relationship would work today is something that is a good base to build upon.

Folkvangr anarchists wrote:

Kyerat, check out our region's handbook here, page=dispatch/id=567019 , which has some suggestions for instroductory readings into anarchism! hope that helps you!

thank you :)

Who here actually made it through watching the Republican National Convention last night? I missed Trump's speech and he's my favorite clown.

I didn't watch it, but did you see about trumps wife's speech being the same as one of michelle obama's?

The new sea territory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Juv6livzCY

Our Kurdish comrades put up a great video today.

Kyerat

PKK have been attacked by the terrorist Turkish army (backed by the US) for decades.

Greater ehrenfeld

Maupof wrote:I didn't watch it, but did you see about trumps wife's speech being the same as one of michelle obama's?

As someone foreign to the US, I despair at this point. I truly believe that nobody will care about this. The drooling morons that support Trump live in a media bubble as it is, they will dismiss any criticism, however backed up with facts, as "(((LIBRUL))) bias."

Incidentally, Americans occasionally mistake me for a right-wing firebrand when I rail against Liberals. It's made for some odd conversations.

Associations wrote:PKK have been attacked by the terrorist Turkish army (backed by the US) for decades.

Yes even though Greece which belongs to NATO was helping them for decades
Even Oçalan had stayed here in order to be safe :p

A nation of black sheep

Greetings comrades. I'm curious, how would healthcare be managed in an anarchist society?

Prussia-steinbach

Comrades! I apologize for my month-long disappearance (not that it was likely noticed, or considered a bad thing :P). I spend much more time as a cog in the capitalist machine during the summer, and have been busy as f*ck lately. Gotta love the life of a cook in a tourist town.

A nation of black sheep wrote:Greetings comrades. I'm curious, how would healthcare be managed in an anarchist society?

Socialized like all other forms of industry and means of production, then distributed according to need. *odd spooky-jazz hands hybrid* magic? no, kids, this is teamwork

Also, much more thorough theory/planning/content:

https://c4ss.org/content/892
http://libcom.org/thought/manifesto/health/index.php

A nation of black sheep and Kyerat

Greater ehrenfeld

A nation of black sheep wrote:Greetings comrades. I'm curious, how would healthcare be managed in an anarchist society?

Socialised medicine is one of the few vestigial traits of socialism that is present in my otherwise voraciously capitalist native land. The UK NHS is remarkably well-functioning considering that most of the people in government want it destroyed and are intentionally starving it. In an anarchist society, a system of nested councils with recall-able delegates possibly a la Chris Spannos' "Real Utopia" (https://www.akpress.org/realutopiaakpress.html) would manage regional distribution of complicated resource-hungry devices such as CAT-scanners, which not every hospital would need to have, necessarily. Once practiced, the interlocking accountabilities and responsibilities of doctors, nurses and other workers should be quite efficient. Certainly more so than desperately trying to eke out savings in the name of "cuts" while people die on the sidelines, then using the NHS' engineered failure as a criticism of socialised medicine.

A nation of black sheep

Is Hillary Clinton a socialist?

Zanke wrote:Is Hillary Clinton a socialist?

Nobody in America is socialist (Socialist Party)
Your "socialist" are liberals who are trying to pass populist laws in order to gain votes -_-

Prussia-steinbach

Zanke wrote:Is Hillary Clinton a socialist?

genuinely took me about twenty minutes to recover from the laughter this spurred, bruh. lol.

no.

Greater ehrenfeld, A nation of black sheep, and Kyerat

The new sea territory wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Juv6livzCY
Our Kurdish comrades put up a great video today.

Rojava is the hope of real liberty and democracy on this century :)

Prussia-steinbach, The new sea territory, and A nation of black sheep

Prussia-steinbach wrote:genuinely took me about twenty minutes to recover from the laughter this spurred, bruh. lol.
no.

I don't know why the Americans are saying everyone "socialist" :p

Prussia-steinbach

Kyerat wrote:I don't know why the Americans are saying everyone "socialist" :p

It's a subject many of my countrymen are misinformed on.

Kyerat

Folkvangr anarchists

Prussia-steinbach wrote:Comrades! I apologize for my month-long disappearance (not that it was likely noticed, or considered a bad thing :P). I spend much more time as a cog in the capitalist machine during the summer, and have been busy as f*ck lately. Gotta love the life of a cook in a tourist town.

I thought there was something missing in our recent conversations, a little something that spiced up our discussions! In all serioussness it's good to hear from you comrade!

Kincoboh and Kyerat

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