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We are all posting threads which, even when outward looking and likely to gain the attention of the world, are essentially domestic in what actually happens. We are not the sort of region which dogpiles troubling domestic developments with interventions except in the most extreme of extreme circumstances. If we're looking to up activity, I think we need to actually collaborate on threads with a solid, concrete conflict or at least hook to give other nations a place to step in.
OK. I believe that thanks to a timely intervention from Russian Overlords in saving the Dutch paramedics , the region should be okayish
*wakes up from my coffin*
Happy Holidays to all or Holy Days or Saturnalia or Wintermas None of the Above.
Io Saturnalia!
Compliments of the Season
Quoting a certain someone, we should make WA great again! What's going on people?!? We used to be the most awesome region of all and now we are a pitiful reduct of once great nations who prefer to be asleep rather than creating new adventures together. I say we do something. Please. Or I'm gonna wet my pantie...eerm, pants.
I will post something open within the next three days. TG if anyone wants to plot more actively. The dominion thing is finally coming to a head.
Balthorvia just messaged me! He wants to come back too! And I should do my 2016 election >.>
How do your countries celebrate New Year's?
I would like to congratulate Knoot on his 4 year 51 day Delegacy Anniversary. Since we missed the 4 year anniversary by 51 days.
Pointless pointless question for debate: The present incarnation of Leagran (the lovechild of Belgium and Tunisia) sort of needs a monarch. I was going to use the title of Bailiff but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that I'd just made my own, poorer version of a stadtholder (or stadhouder if you will).
As a short history, the Leagrani Royal Family is more akin to the Romanian or Bulgarian royal families in being a relatively recent, foreign import as opposed to an unbroken bloodline going back to when Hans-Ulrich the Swift united the northern tribes in the Time of Reckoning-ening etc etc etc. I don't want Emperor or King (because it's nice to be different), but I can't decide whether it should be a prince or a grand duke or just a normal duke. Any ideas?
Why not a principality? Romania was first a principality and then a kingdom. If not, I like the title Grand Duke, it's so rare that it's cool.
That sounds fair enough. I have the feeling that this may be a question for Pantocratoria when he sees this but does anyone know how long down the line the family line the use of royal titles go? I'm not explaining that very well, so let me quote Wikipedia:
"... letters patent issued in 1917 (and still remaining in force today) assign a princely status and the style of Royal Highness to all male-line grandchildren of a monarch"
For the British monarchy, but I know other European monarchs didn't limit this to just male-line grandchildren and the "Your Royal Highness" would continue to be used for more distant relatives.
Fascinating stuff I know, but if anywhere would know it would be here.
It's different depending on the country. In France, as Pantocratoria will tell you, it goes pretty much indefinitely down the male line.
I follow the Germanic tradition: all members of the reigning house are Prince/ss of Brasland. However, I restrict the style of Royal Highness to the children of the sovereign and to the children of the sovereign's sons. The rest of the male line descendants are mere Highnesses.
It rather depends what political situation you want to have. The "Recent" monarchies (Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, etc.) in the 19th and early 20th century were all members of the other ruling families of Europe, with the exception of probably King Zog. Grand Duchy implies that your state is also subservient to another greater Kingdom or Imperial power. Is Leagran an absolute monarchy or a constitutional one? Principality might work, but it rather depends if you buy into the idea that Leagran is following the practice in other states, where Duke is less than Prince is less than King is less than Emperor sort of ranking.
Oh Leagran is very, very constitutional. Almost too constitutional.
Thanks for the input everyone, I think I've got an idea of what I'm going to do. I suppose at the end of the day I'm probably being overly-concerned, this is NationStates after all. So long as it has some sort of logic I'm sure it will be fine.
Being a grand duchy does not mean a country is subservient to a larger country. Luxembourg is the world's last remaining GD and it stands in equal ground to Belgium, the Netherlands, and the other European kingdoms. Also, a prince may be higher than a duke among the nobility, but among sovereign states a duchy is higher than a principality.
You're correct in the contemporary sense, but I would suggest that Luxembourg is not a representative example given the ruling family descends from Holy Roman Empire nobility, was part of the Holy Roman Empire, and then formed as a Grand Duchy in personal union with the Netherlands. Only in the 20th century is it a wholly independent state.
Historically Grand Duchies often tried to bootstrap themselves upwards (Poland-Lithuania and Prussia for example) and assume royal or imperial titles to demonstrate power or independence. Similarly, it rather depends on the system being used. If Leagran is playing as a Western European analogue, then you're probably right. If it's Eastern European, or Italian-adjacent, then there's wiggle room for how the ranks work.
Of course since it's NS anything goes. The Lord High Janitor Attendant & Worshipful Master of the Urinal Cake is the most august monarch in existence and we demand he receive the same honors as a Grand Duke when received at court.
No idea about the specifics, but past history doesn't really matter. A 21st century grand duchy would not be dismissed as some sort of second hand state in today's world. Certainly Brasland wouldn't look down upon a grand duchy, duchy or principality. Not that I'm saying that Snefaldia or others would, BTW.
In every sense that makes a practical difference, the Caldan Union treats all sovereign states as formally equal and, informally, bases preferences on historic ties, current opportunities, size, strength, and other practical modern considerations. Be what you want to be!
With respect to the royal style discussion above:
In France the style "Royal Highness" only applied to sons and male-line grandchildren of the King.
Princes of the Blood are styled "Serene Highness" and are typically known by their title (e.g. Comte de Soissons or what have you) in the first instance. Princes of the Blood consist of all agnates of Saint Louis (interesting the monarchy did not recognise branches of the family which had broken off before Saint Louis as princes of the blood while they still survived - they died out in the male line in 1733). They rank ahead of Peers of France.
Since the crown passed through several branches of princes of the blood over the centuries, not allowing these potential monarchs to fade out of "view" into the relative obscurity of the lower nobility where they might otherwise end up (not holding peerages) probably proved its utility through affording widespread recognition of a right to rule even despite familial distance from the previous monarch. François I for example was descended from Charles V, six kings previous to King Louis XII, but his right to the throne when Louis XII died was clearly accepted. Even Louis-Philippe, installed pseudo-democratically after the July Revolution, was the first-ranked Prince of the Blood at the time and thus a clear contender.
Also hello everybody!
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