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I honestly didn't know POD's civil war was meant to be IC/canon. :S

Cill airne and Rezua

The only problem with The dictatorship pod's use of Nukes is that this to my knowledge is the only use of them in any POD Civil War in history.

I don't see how Senns or any other faction would deem these weapons deserving honor. I don't think the people of Senns would just easily join forces with Renedge.

And if they accept them as honorable weapons, and Senns didn't swear like most of the other groups not to use them, then why not use their own in a counter-strike? Why not give them a taste of their own medicine? Senns has the means and the motive to do it.

Divergia wrote:The only problem with The dictatorship pod's use of Nukes is that this to my knowledge is the only use of them in any POD Civil War in history.
I don't see how Senns or any other faction would deem these weapons deserving honor. I don't think the people of Senns would just easily join forces with Renedge.
And if they accept them as honorable weapons, and Senns didn't swear like most of the other groups not to use them, then why not use their own in a counter-strike? Why not give them a taste of their own medicine? Senns has the means and the motive to do it.

and here is another point

when the war is over: there will be nothing to rule, all the country will have burn to ashes and his people died off due to the radiation, nuke impact or starvation, the survivors will leave the country off course. this is why i insist that we need effective nuke regulations.

Rezua and Esotana

Tytanya wrote:and here is another point
when the war is over: there will be nothing to rule, all the country will have burn to ashes and his people died off due to the radiation, nuke impact or starvation, the survivors will leave the country off course. this is why i insist that we need effective nuke regulations.

Quite literally, there'll be nothing left. Those who survive will try fleeing the nation, but will likely be barred entry due to risk of spreading nuclear radiation until a process can be implemented to process survivors of the war. By that point even more will have died.

The shady looking vukmiri delegates

Divergia wrote:POD's province type areas are called Communities.
They are at war with each other and are using WMDs.

I predict pod is going to be long under occupation from all different sides of the world after the war. The country is too unstable to run itself properly and thus needs external assistance.

Tytanya wrote:and here is another point
when the war is over: there will be nothing to rule, all the country will have burn to ashes and his people died off due to the radiation, nuke impact or starvation, the survivors will leave the country off course. this is why i insist that we need effective nuke regulations.

There are powerful IC regulations.

But POD is stuck in an age where Sunalaya cared less for the realism you see now and more for cherry-picking the best aspects of our world and essentially making oneself as powerful as possible.

What POD does is totally realistic in exactly what he does, but it does not excuse him or anybody to create a near flawless nation that, regardless of whatever flaws it has are made up by so many benifits.

Rhodevus, Rezua, and Esotana

Cill airne wrote:Quite literally, there'll be nothing left. Those who survive will try fleeing the nation, but will likely be barred entry due to risk of spreading nuclear radiation until a process can be implemented to process survivors of the war. By that point even more will have died.

that's why i decided to change my possible spot before choosing it, it had pod on my right so i decided to select other spot. millons of refugees will come here and much of them irradiated

Hookfire plains

The shady looking vukmiri delegates wrote:I predict pod is going to be long under occupation from all different sides of the world after the war. The country is too unstable to run itself properly and thus needs external assistance.

We all know what the communities are like, we're talking about an insurgency on levels beyond any ever seen in our own world.

The shady looking vukmiri delegates

Dormill and Stiura wrote:We all know what the communities are like, we're talking about an insurgency on levels beyond any ever seen in our own world.

By the end of this they will lack any industrial capabilities, will be starved of resources and land (assuming they're using salted bombs) and their people will be broken. They're faced with a decision that they know the answer to. They will be subject under a joint foreign operation to rebuild the country/communities or they will die in their own filth. Those who are intent on fighting back will then meet their swift end regardless.

The shady looking vukmiri delegates wrote:By the end of this they will lack any industrial capabilities, will be starved of resources and land (assuming they're using salted bombs) and their people will be broken. They're faced with a decision that they know the answer to. They will be subject under a joint foreign operation to rebuild the country/communities or they will die in their own filth. Those who are intent on fighting back will then meet their swift end regardless.

How much would that cost.

The shady looking vukmiri delegates

Zhaas123 wrote:How much would that cost.

Considering the cost of our neglecting would be anger, out turned hatred and potential nuclear conquest, pretty cheap in comparison.

The shady looking vukmiri delegates wrote:Considering the cost of our neglecting would be anger, out turned hatred and potential nuclear conquest, pretty cheap in comparison.

You can foot the bill, until a nuke hits Jorvik it's not my problem.

Dormill and Stiura wrote:We all know what the communities are like, we're talking about an insurgency on levels beyond any ever seen in our own world.

and if POD is in charge of the insurgents, they will have MBTS nuclear stockpiles and all sorts of advanced weaponry and fundings

The shady looking vukmiri delegates wrote:By the end of this they will lack any industrial capabilities, will be starved of resources and land (assuming they're using salted bombs) and their people will be broken. They're faced with a decision that they know the answer to. They will be subject under a joint foreign operation to rebuild the country/communities or they will die in their own filth. Those who are intent on fighting back will then meet their swift end regardless.

High Yield Airbust bombs, not salted but a supply might exist somewhere.

Divergia

The shady looking vukmiri delegates

Librira wrote:and if POD is in charge of the insurgents, they will have MBTS nuclear stockpiles and all sorts of advanced weaponry and fundings

They will have exhausted all of their military equipment far before that, and if they do preserve it is doubt they would be able to effectively use it with the lack of manpower, supplies, training, and overall mobilization capability.

The shady looking vukmiri delegates

Dormill and Stiura wrote:High Yield Airbust bombs, not salted but a supply might exist somewhere.

It's only a matter of time before they get that desperate.

Coming from a Veteran of the Army, here's my thought's on POD's civil war:

It isn't realistic. In less than a week more people have died than the Soviets lost in the entire span of WWII. If we saw something like that happen in real life, nation's that don't even get along with each other would suddenly be putting aside differences. Since NationStates is a game we often times look at things short term, but RL governments look at things in terms of long-term, and the long-term global effects of POD's civil war would be astonishing. Just to name a few:
1. It would have the potential to create global economic crises on the 1929 Global Depression level. Nukes are bad for the global economy. Businesses and global economies are timid things, they're like turtles. Realistically, with POD's usage on himself, everyone's economy should be tanking right now.
2. A global task force comprised of basically everyone would be meeting to discuss the situation. Not just how to handle it, but how to handle the after-effects. Because once it's over, you're going to have millions of people starving, trying to flee the area, bringing with them their belongings - all of which have been in contact with high amounts of nuclear radiation.
3. A huge amount of Sunalaya's manufacturing is done in Divergia and Kaiming. The exact amount, I can't say - but I know that both spots are huge manufacturing hotspots for global industry. They both border POD. This means the entire world has a vested interest in their stability. They're also the two most prone nations to be destabilised by these events. Why? Because millions of people are going to be fleeing south into their borders. Which means unless both nations work together and internationally to prevent all of these fleeing citizens from POD to enter their nation they're at a huge risk of being destabilised, which ties into 1 again.

Rhodevus, Zhaas123, Belantica, Esotana, and 1 otherDrasuvania

Eranshahir wrote:Coming from a Veteran of the Army, here's my thought's on POD's civil war:
It isn't realistic. In less than a week more people have died than the Soviets lost in the entire span of WWII. If we saw something like that happen in real life, nation's that don't even get along with each other would suddenly be putting aside differences. Since NationStates is a game we often times look at things short term, but RL governments look at things in terms of long-term, and the long-term global effects of POD's civil war would be astonishing. Just to name a few:
1. It would have the potential to create global economic crises on the 1929 Global Depression level. Nukes are bad for the global economy. Businesses and global economies are timid things, they're like turtles. Realistically, with POD's usage on himself, everyone's economy should be tanking right now.
2. A global task force comprised of basically everyone would be meeting to discuss the situation. Not just how to handle it, but how to handle the after-effects. Because once it's over, you're going to have millions of people starving, trying to flee the area, bringing with them their belongings - all of which have been in contact with high amounts of nuclear radiation.
3. A huge amount of Sunalaya's manufacturing is done in Divergia and Kaiming. The exact amount, I can't say - but I know that both spots are huge manufacturing hotspots for global industry. They both border POD. This means the entire world has a vested interest in their stability. They're also the two most prone nations to be destabilised by these events. Why? Because millions of people are going to be fleeing south into their borders. Which means unless both nations work together and internationally to prevent all of these fleeing citizens from POD to enter their nation they're at a huge risk of being destabilised, which ties into 1 again.

Agreed with everything.

About #2) A bunch of us are actually discussing about a massive task force to go into POD. And we are also planning a meeting discussing nukes in Divergia to take place post Civil War.

Zhaas123 and Rezua

Eranshahir wrote:Coming from a Veteran of the Army, here's my thought's on POD's civil war:
It isn't realistic. In less than a week more people have died than the Soviets lost in the entire span of WWII. If we saw something like that happen in real life, nation's that don't even get along with each other would suddenly be putting aside differences. Since NationStates is a game we often times look at things short term, but RL governments look at things in terms of long-term, and the long-term global effects of POD's civil war would be astonishing. Just to name a few:
1. It would have the potential to create global economic crises on the 1929 Global Depression level. Nukes are bad for the global economy. Businesses and global economies are timid things, they're like turtles. Realistically, with POD's usage on himself, everyone's economy should be tanking right now.
2. A global task force comprised of basically everyone would be meeting to discuss the situation. Not just how to handle it, but how to handle the after-effects. Because once it's over, you're going to have millions of people starving, trying to flee the area, bringing with them their belongings - all of which have been in contact with high amounts of nuclear radiation.
3. A huge amount of Sunalaya's manufacturing is done in Divergia and Kaiming. The exact amount, I can't say - but I know that both spots are huge manufacturing hotspots for global industry. They both border POD. This means the entire world has a vested interest in their stability. They're also the two most prone nations to be destabilised by these events. Why? Because millions of people are going to be fleeing south into their borders. Which means unless both nations work together and internationally to prevent all of these fleeing citizens from POD to enter their nation they're at a huge risk of being destabilised, which ties into 1 again.

*laughs in planned economy and diversified industrial economy*

Hoenstly this is the most interesting thing to RP. Not whatever this region's been doing with it.

Rezua

Rhodevus wrote:Agreed with everything.
About #2) A bunch of us are actually discussing about a massive task force to go into POD. And we are also planning a meeting discussing nukes in Divergia to take place post Civil War.

like I said to before if the taskforce wants use Friesland as a waystation on the way their it can be arranged.

The shady looking vukmiri delegates

Zhaas123 wrote:like I said to before if the taskforce wants use Friesland as a waystation on the way their it can be arranged.

Dirk and the CSA would essentially act as VSSA launchpoints.

Zhaas123

Rhodevus wrote:Agreed with everything.
About #2) A bunch of us are actually discussing about a massive task force to go into POD. And we are also planning a meeting discussing nukes in Divergia to take place post Civil War.

It's also why I've reached out to Smoya and Capsland asking if they along with Cill Airiochin special forces would want to patrol the border between Kaiming and POD. It's not a usual move for the government of Kaiming, but it considered drastic enough times to even allow the foreign imperialists into our nation. ;-;

Rhodevus and Esotana

I regard this civil war and POD as non Canon, and effectively non existent, so there likely won't be any effects.
(I decided this a long time back, not just now to keep my economy going, I'm doing it because the civil war and indeed POD itself is quite unrealistic)

Kaiming wrote:It's also why I've reached out to Smoya and Capsland asking if they along with Cill Airiochin special forces would want to patrol the border between Kaiming and POD. It's not a usual move for the government of Kaiming, but it considered drastic enough times to even allow the foreign imperialists into our nation. ;-;

nice. :P

And me and Divergia and even Aznazia and Divergia are all communicating with each other about a joint strategy. The last time the militaries of Aznazia and Divergia talk with each other it was about Aznazia leaving the Divergian war in the 60s XD

Divergia and Esotana

I keep getting Drasuvania and Eranshahir mixed up. Y'all needa fix

Belantica and Esotana

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