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Pax athena wrote:Oh, we can edit now? Test: Comrade Mao Zedong led China into a Golden Age of totally no famine and agricultural prosperity!
Edit: Comrade Stalin murdered no one.

*Googles how to delete someone else's post*

Finswedeway, Sorya, United socialists of the highest power, and Datland

Alkasia wrote:*Googles how to delete someone else's post*

I doubt they'd ever give us THAT much power. Were you here when they all first realized they could bold/italicize/underline their messages? It was a madhouse!

Usiuts

Syvie wrote:I doubt they'd ever give us THAT much power. Were you here when they all first realized they could bold/italicize/underline their messages? It was a madhouse!

You're not wrong, you know (I rather like this post of mine):

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:All these people keep using these new Buttons and I'm just sitting here mastering.

Finswedeway and Syvie

Nobody much with the problem with gentleman ?

Pax athena wrote:Oh, we can edit now? Test: commie idealist Mao Zedong led China into a dark age of total famine and oppression!
Edit: dictator Stalin murdered millions.

Fixed that for you before i got a bloody stroke.

It's okay, it's a common mistake to make

Ace. What do you want to throw putting ones sisters for bushels reminding ?

Finswedeway wrote:Fixed that for you before i got a bloody stroke.

It's okay, it's a common mistake to make

That should have included a [/s] tag.

Thaqa omy wrote:Ace. What do you want to throw putting ones sisters for bushels reminding ?

What's your native language / mother tongue?

Finswedeway wrote:I don't think that this is because conservative viewpoints are inherintly immoral and wrong, but a result of a combination of a bias/lack of skill of the writers and the nature of conservatism to be more geared towards being realistic rather than idealistic (a trait which a lot of leftist and rightist ideologies suffer from)

*glances at deleted issue submissions*
The two issues you submitted didn't make the cut. One duplicated an existing issue, and the other was a little unwieldy and incoherent. However, I'm always keen to encourage more right wing writers, so do pop by Got Issues and start drafting again, and we can get some issues in, yes? :)

Of course, you don't need to be an accomplished writer to address bias, and it's a pet project of mine to eliminate bias as much as possible from the issues. Issue 66, for example, now carries a reasonable option that is against full transgender recognition, whereas previously the only anti-trans stances were psychotic ones.

I'd also point out that bias is where you choose to see it. I've noted, for example, that almost every issue that pushes market freedom or unregulated capitalism is beneficial to the economy, which is very right wing in economic beliefs. Likewise, policies and decisions that increase police intervention and tighter border controls seem to invariably reduce crime, which is not something the liberal left would necessarily agree with.

Ultimately I'd say this:

If you are perceiving that every right wing option presented appears to be an immoral option, then likely the bias is yours. Looking at the 38 mentions of the word conservative in the issue base, I can't see any depiction of them as being fundamentally immoral or objectively wrong, except maybe the guy in 299 advocating killing environmentalists, but he is flagged as an "arch-conservative". In some issues, they're the clear good guys, like in 333 where they want to stop human sacrifice...

Meanwhile the 13 mentions of libertarians are all linking their positions to decreased taxation, small government, and increased economic and personal freedom.

Generally the goal of editing is to avoid bias, and while a survey of existing editors has revealed a slight overall leftwards bias in total (we're not ALL on the left economically and politically, but more than half are), that survey was instigated with an intention of eliminating bias.

Regarding the mention of lack of skill, you may be right. For whatever reason, it seems to be extremely rare that you find right wing politics and good writing skill in the same person. These pursuits seems to be a left wing trait, generally, which is probably why Hollywood, artists communities, comedians, novellists and the like tend to be accused of being left-biased. Take a cross-section of a hundred professional comedians, and I reckon you'll find a massive skew to the left.

That's not to say you can't get good right-wing writers. Chan Island remains one of my favourites, and Australian Republic may not have great English skills but he's more creative and funny than most writers, and Drasnia is pretty awesome. There's good issue writers throughout the community on all sides of the political spectrum.

Take a long look at issues, and if you spot political bias, then come to Got Issues and let us know. Don't cite a general sense of things being biased, because that helps nobody. Give specific examples, and suggest specific changes.

Evil Dictators Happyland, Alkasia, and Datland

Syvie wrote:I doubt they'd ever give us THAT much power. Were you here when they all first realized they could bold/italicize/underline their messages? It was a madhouse!

Oh yes, I predicted it as soon as I saw the news post.

Syvie, Limpbizkit, and Baoshing

Customs turn away those considered to have an unfavourable ethnicity.

Weather goes up by 30.8%. Wth.....

Baoshing wrote:Customs turn away those considered to have an unfavourable ethnicity.

Weather goes up by 30.8%. Wth.....

Weather seems to be, by far, the most arbitrary stat. I can't really tell what enhances it or detracts from it, and I definitely can't tell why those things happen.
For a while, I thought that it might be related to Environmental Beauty, but then I compared my Environmental Beauty stat to my Weather stat, so clearly that's not it. Really, one, geographic location affects weather more than anything the nation itself does, and two, the stat should be called "climate".
Finalanswer Archive, could you chime in here?

Baoshing

Thaqa omy wrote:Ace. What do you want to throw putting ones sisters for bushels reminding ?

¿Hablas Inglés?
Falar Inglês?
Parle Anglais?
Parli Inglese?
sprichst du Englisch?

Limpbizkit and Datland

Finalanswer Archive wrote:*glances at deleted issue submissions*
The two issues you submitted didn't make the cut. One duplicated an existing issue, and the other was a little unwieldy and incoherent. However, I'm always keen to encourage more right wing writers, so do pop by Got Issues and start drafting again, and we can get some issues in, yes? :)

Of course, you don't need to be an accomplished writer to address bias, and it's a pet project of mine to eliminate bias as much as possible from the issues. Issue 66, for example, now carries a reasonable option that is against full transgender recognition, whereas previously the only anti-trans stances were psychotic ones.

I'd also point out that bias is where you choose to see it. I've noted, for example, that almost every issue that pushes market freedom or unregulated capitalism is beneficial to the economy, which is very right wing in economic beliefs. Likewise, policies and decisions that increase police intervention and tighter border controls seem to invariably reduce crime, which is not something the liberal left would necessarily agree with.

Ultimately I'd say this:

If you are perceiving that every right wing option presented appears to be an immoral option, then likely the bias is yours. Looking at the 38 mentions of the word conservative in the issue base, I can't see any depiction of them as being fundamentally immoral or objectively wrong, except maybe the guy in 299 advocating killing environmentalists, but he is flagged as an "arch-conservative". In some issues, they're the clear good guys, like in 333 where they want to stop human sacrifice...

Meanwhile the 13 mentions of libertarians are all linking their positions to decreased taxation, small government, and increased economic and personal freedom.

Generally the goal of editing is to avoid bias, and while a survey of existing editors has revealed a slight overall leftwards bias in total (we're not ALL on the left economically and politically, but more than half are), that survey was instigated with an intention of eliminating bias.

Regarding the mention of lack of skill, you may be right. For whatever reason, it seems to be extremely rare that you find right wing politics and good writing skill in the same person. These pursuits seems to be a left wing trait, generally, which is probably why Hollywood, artists communities, comedians, novellists and the like tend to be accused of being left-biased. Take a cross-section of a hundred professional comedians, and I reckon you'll find a massive skew to the left.

That's not to say you can't get good right-wing writers. Chan Island remains one of my favourites, and Australian Republic may not have great English skills but he's more creative and funny than most writers, and Drasnia is pretty awesome. There's good issue writers throughout the community on all sides of the political spectrum.

Take a long look at issues, and if you spot political bias, then come to Got Issues and let us know. Don't cite a general sense of things being biased, because that helps nobody. Give specific examples, and suggest specific changes.

I would never claim to be without bias. While I try REALLY hard to come at things from a neutral perspective, it seems more and more evident that such a perspective doesn't exist in some cases.

The way I interpret issues, somewhat erroneously, is as though they are trying to convince me of their point. Take issue 759 regarding gay marriage.

The thesis of the argument for forcing churches to allow it is "You can’t have one rule for straight folk and another rule for gay people.” as stated by @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@. Id say that's a pretty good, if a little short, argument.

Equally as valid, if a bit direct, an opinion and argument stated by @@RANDOMMALENAME@@ is, "Now she’s trying to force her beliefs on us! [...]they can find a church that shares their views or they can go to a public courthouse."

Ignoring my own opinions, those are both understandable arguments and I could see myself choosing either one honestly. I commend Neocaledonia for making me really think about this one.

Issue 218 however...

Here is the Civil-rightsy perspective put most simply, "All of the scientific studies have shown that there's no difference in the wellbeing of children raised by gay and straight couples."

Not bad. Pretty convincing, actually.

Here is the conservative argument summed up by @@RANDOMNAME@@, "Why? Because it is not okay. It'll just give them gay!"

Everytime I read this I just gouge my eyes out. Let me put it this way, realistic =/= good. If you want a thought provoking issue that you don't just skim through, at least trying to make a legitimate argument for both sides trumps the more used irl argument every time. I would have even understood "we'll all burn in hell for this" as the argument, because that is what drives at least some people to be religious.

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I had an idea for an issue regarding agriculture, as I have seen very few of such issues, so i may start drafting that soon.

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:That should have included a [/s] tag.

Perhaps.

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:That should have included a [/s] tag.
What's your native language / mother tongue?

French

Baoshing

Finswedeway wrote:¿Hablas Inglés?
Falar Inglês?
Parle Anglais?
Parli Inglese?
sprichst du Englisch?

Je parle Français... But fluent English too.

Anollasia and Baoshing

> Finswedeway is making flags now

Oh. Oh it's on now motherf*cker. This is my territory, and you just stepped in the wrong neighborhood.

Finswedeway, Evil Dictators Happyland, Baoshing, and Datland

Limpbizkit

Unpoopburg wrote:Ok, I've had an idea that some, ok most, may call stupid.
But! What if someone (yeah, I can't draw at all) created a CountryBall version of the 10K Islands?!
Maybe this is out there already but if it isn't why not create it?
It would make an awesome banner too having all of the family (well, most at least) in a picture.
If anyone would like and is capable to do this, please do it!
For the Islands!

I don't understand the "countryball" subculture and I don't like seeing it but if someone makes this a thing, I need one

Pax athena wrote:Oh, we can edit now? Test: Comrade Mao Zedong led China into a Golden Age of totally no famine and agricultural prosperity!
Edit: Comrade Stalin murdered no one.

EDITS YES

Thaqa omy wrote:Ace. What do you want to throw putting ones sisters for bushels reminding ?

very ace

Baoshing wrote:Customs turn away those considered to have an unfavourable ethnicity.

Weather goes up by 30.8%. Wth.....

less people = less pollution

Stroulia wrote:> Finswedeway is making flags now

Oh. Oh it's on now motherf*cker. This is my territory, and you just stepped in the wrong neighborhood.

fight fight fight fight

Edit: editing edits

Baoshing

Finswedeway

Stroulia wrote:> Finswedeway is making flags now

Oh. Oh it's on now motherf*cker. This is my territory, and you just stepped in the wrong neighborhood.

Get outta here, old timer. This is my turf now, and you're due for retirement.

I would totally support an XKI countryball image, as long as I get one.

Limpbizkit

Stroulia wrote:> Finswedeway is making flags now

Oh. Oh it's on now motherf*cker. This is my territory, and you just stepped in the wrong neighborhood.

Well it's on now!!!

Ummm.....
Oh yeah!

Bets! Bet here! Fins or Stroulia! You'll probably win nothing but no worries!

Finswedeway, Limpbizkit, and Datland

Unpoopburg wrote:Well it's on now!!!

Ummm.....
Oh yeah!

Bets! Bet here! Fins or Stroulia! You'll probably win nothing but no worries!

Can I bet on Stroulia?

Unpoopburg and Limpbizkit

Finswedeway wrote:Can I bet on Stroulia?

yea me too

Finswedeway

Finswedeway wrote:Can I bet on Stroulia?

Interesting strategy....

Unpoopburg wrote:Well it's on now!!!

Ummm.....
Oh yeah!

Bets! Bet here! Fins or Stroulia! You'll probably win nothing but no worries!

FREE FLAGS TO ALL! MAKE YOUR NATION ALL NEW AND PRETTY, ALL AT NO CHARGE!

Unpoopburg, Evil Dictators Happyland, and Datland

Stroulia wrote:> Finswedeway is making flags now

Oh. Oh it's on now motherf*cker. This is my territory, and you just stepped in the wrong neighborhood.

Finswedeway wrote:Get outta here, old timer. This is my turf now, and you're due for retirement.

Rᴏᴜɴᴅ 1: Fɪɢʜᴛ!

Unpoopburg wrote:Well it's on now!!!

Ummm.....
Oh yeah!

Bets! Bet here! Fins or Stroulia! You'll probably win nothing but no worries!

Based on what?
Flag creation quality?

How about we have them both make a flag, and then we make a poll to decide the winner?

Unpoopburg, Limpbizkit, and Ferte

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