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The Leftist Assembly is a democratic region, we need democratic leadership. For that to succeed, the admins must have their independence and Podria must answer for his words.
Yes, that is what I am referring to.
A lot of what happened seems to have happened in private, which means that those of us who are outside the circle cannot see it. All I saw was the no-context extreme posts on Discord. That is why it seems excessive.
Glad to hear it.
Seems asymmetrical given the above, at least to me.
Looks to me like everyone involved should take a break from posting for a bit and let tempers cool.
Like I keep saying, all I can see is what's posted in public. People keep using terms like "for democratization!" on one side and "attempted seizure of power!" on the other, when like, what we're talking about is a discord server. Not to diminish the importance of a fun discord server but come on, democratization vs seizure of power?
Everyone needs to take a step back from the precipice.
Nottinhaps, Libertasnia, New Arkados, Kavagrad, and 6 othersSaint perpetua, Greylyn, Nangka, Dongrovia, Antinios, and Nepacton Murt
I'm not going to get into the thick of the conversation since I've done enough of that on the Discord server, and honestly I can't be bothered rehashing the same arguments here when its 1am, but I just wanted to make a note of this mind-boggling statement.
Firstly, you are denouncing your own Vice Secretary. Just gonna leave people to sit on that point.
Secondly, you made light of that comment and made a joke about it? To quote you exactly, you said, "“Retirement for Those Who Want It” - Buttigieg". It certainly took you a while to come around to the fact that your Vice Secretary's comments weren't such a joke.
This whole situation is pitiful and makes me want to throw my face into a wall. The best de-escalation is stepping away from the screen for 24 hours, and that is what I recommend that everyone does here. I'll certainly be trying, unless I'm urgently needed on Discord.
My personal view is that the citizens should decide whether Podria remains in his position. I believe they should step down.
Llorens, you’re right, to be frank, this situation has done nothing but harm our community, and for any part I may have played, whether consciously or otherwise (eg. co authoring the Communications Regulation Bill, making that Retirement for those who want it joke), I’m sorry. I will be taking a step back from NationStates and if I am needed, feel free to ping me on Discord.
I will be reassessing my future on this platform and if during that time, Assemblians decide that I have behaved unbecoming of my office, I will accept responsibility and step aside.
In Unity,
-Grey
Secretary
So I could propose a motion to go to the Assembly?
To members of the General Assembly:
I propose a motion of no confidence in Vice Secretary Podria following his recent actions on the Discord server.
I am aware this requires two members of the Assembly to support this notion.
In regards to the actions of Podria, Erna Vindtopia hereby uses their right to invoke Article 3, Section 7 in order to begin impeachment proceedings against Podria.
This is not in response to the proposals set forth by Podria and Greylyn. This is a response to the manipulative behavior directed at the staff of the TLA Discord server. Telling staff members to reconsider their adminship on the server, the harsh language directed at the staff followed by compliments saying that Podria respects them in DMs, among other behaviors, are aspects of the aforementioned manipulative behavior. If this is tolerated, then it sets precedent for the cabinet to use their position to send threats to other nations.
Signed,
Erna vindtopia
Llorens
Zrachevia
Peoples carthage
Kavagrad
Vandensia
Dyl
Llorens, Kavagrad, Podria, Wascoitan, and 2 othersRorlenland, and Renjj
If anyone else wants to voice their support feel free to say and I can add your country to the list of signatories.
Given that we now have support from two members of the general assembly, by the power vested in the people by Article 3, section 7, Erna vindtopia moves forward with the motion to impeach Podria.
As a military voting citizen, I vote FOR the motion.
Kavagrad and Renjj
I am voting for the VoNC of Podria, as a Military Voting Citizen.
Also, heads up, for the next 24 hours I will be taking a break from NationStates.
Kavagrad, New samon, and Renjj
As I am not in the WA, I can not vote, however I strongly endorse the impeachment.
As a military voting citizen, I vote for the removal of vice secretary Podria.
Slackertown, Roulantinia, Regional defence council of aragon, Masseillyia, and 2 othersNew samon, and Antinios
Both myself and Grey have said that we're stepping back from any further debate, so I'll keep this brief. I don't think that the release of such conversations would serve to do anything except inflame the situation once more at a personal level, which is what we want to avoid.
I will say in regards to the public accusations that I've made today and the impeachment of Podria: I have spoken to Pod since my last post, and I have accepted the apology for what he has said that has hurt me on a personal level. I stand by the belief that, even without personal considerations, he went way too far and should no longer hold his post, and he very much understands why I hold that position.
I know that this isn't the reply that you wanted, but I hope that it's a respectable one.
Hello
Llorens, Nangka, Digitotuo, Roulantinia, and 2 othersMasseillyia, and Antinios
You came in during wild times.
Slackertown and Antinios
:(
Nangka and Thasse
I have read the entire discussion and, not being involved with the discord at all, found it hard to really position myself with regards to the issue. I felt like I wasn't completely in the know about everything that had happened behind the scenes. Had this been a normal proposal or amendment, such circumstances would have lead me to abstain from voting, but in the case of a vote of no-confidence I like to base my decision on whether Roulantinia, or I personally, was affected by the events that triggered the vote. In this instance, that is not the case. In conclusion, while I have sympathy for the arguments made against Comrade Podria, I personally decided to vote AGAINST, and I want my vote to be seen in that regard and in the proper context.
I can post the logs that prompted me to make the proposal, whether or not they post their own direct messages is up to them.
Here's the link to the screenshots.
https://imgur.com/a/RJePe4i
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