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Badb catha wrote:I think you misunderstood. I was agreeing with you, not arguing with you. I happen to possess the book in question myself and have read it multiple times before, though I will confess the last time I read it in full was quite a few years ago.

apologies then
glad you enjoyed the book!

Badb catha

The cumbrian state

Theresa May has been issued a 6 month Brexit extension, leave or not, Britain has been humiliated by Parliament. Weird to think that in 1923, the British Empire reached its territorial height, yet 96 years later, has lost pretty much everything. The quote goes "The larger they are, the harder they fall". Pretty fitting if you ask me.

Badb catha

The dead of the past walk among us, their spirit in tune with our spirit, resonating and pulsating and growing all the stronger together. While we fight for the future, we draw strength from the past and from those who fell in the defense of its glory...Take heed, The eventual victory for the Fascist kind is not merely a victory for us who live at the turn of the 21st century, but through it shall the battalions of times gone by be swiftly avenged, and for the desecration of their nobility will they earn their rightful retribution.

AVE!

P0rtvgal, Brazika, and Badb catha

The cumbrian state wrote:Theresa May has been issued a 6 month Brexit extension, leave or not, Britain has been humiliated by Parliament. Weird to think that in 1923, the British Empire reached its territorial height, yet 96 years later, has lost pretty much everything. The quote goes "The larger they are, the harder they fall". Pretty fitting if you ask me.

Such is the fate of the Empire; it's life is long, and it's inevitable death quick yet painful. They are finite things - these realms of conquest. They have lost to the will of nations, their fates sealed for all history.

P0rtvgal wrote:apologies then
glad you enjoyed the book!

I see how you could have misinterpreted my words; my apologies for not being clearer in my meaning.

Fascist north wrote:The dead of the past walk among us, their spirit in tune with our spirit, resonating and pulsating and growing all the stronger together. While we fight for the future, we draw strength from the past and from those who fell in the defense of its glory...Take heed, The eventual victory for the Fascist kind is not merely a victory for us who live at the turn of the 21st century, but through it shall the battalions of times gone by be swiftly avenged, and for the desecration of their nobility will they earn their rightful retribution.

AVE!

Well-spoken. There are many truths here, demonstrating great wisdom.

Neo-cuba

Neo-cuba wrote:I do not believe that the society's (in general) acceptance of a Faith determines the life or death of said spiritual sentiment. Faith is a collective phenomena, but it also acts on the scale of the individual. And i don't attend to the belief that the collective decides the death of a Faith, because God doesn't omit some of us because the majority doesn't follow him.

Remember that each of us, we are worth all the blood of Christ.

Perhaps you are right. I will agree with you here, in that case.

Neo-cuba wrote:Ugh, horrible event in the Church history. Yes, i am aware of this unjust and satanic incident. But it was a thing that happened due to the coercion and dominion of the Church by the French Monarchy. The Pope sinned by omission and complicity, but this would not have happened if greed and betrayal wouldn't been had its place in the mind of the King. You mentioned it earlier, the time in which the Church was subdued to the desires of the French Monarchy. I don't think that a similar event could happen in this time, probably because we would be less ignorant regarding the happenings and the background of such a situation.

I agree that I do not find it likely that such a horrible event could ever be repeated... yet as they say: "History repeats itself". Nothing is certain. At the moment it is unlikely, this we can agree on.

Neo-cuba wrote:I assume you're orthodox >_>

I am.

Neo-cuba wrote:Absolutely virtuous, brother!

I thank you for your kind words, brother.

Neo-cuba wrote:Those punishments were applied by the secular law to those who didn't show repentance of their crimes (grave crimes) against the Faith. Those punishments constitute a minority as well. Most of the people judged by the inquisition, were forgiven by repentance and prayer. The inquisition is probably the most misunderstood and distorted episode of the Church's history. Much to the surprise of many, the inquisition was a court of guarantees, piety and mercy, and it never did wish with the immediate annihilation of the sinful with horrible and sadistic instruments of torture like the lying propaganda of the dutch and german protestants wanted to make it look. I also don't like the idea of burning someone at the stake...

Interesting. So you are saying the Inquisition did not commit these acts that are commonly attributed to them?

Neo-cuba wrote:First let's establish some focal points:

1. The child molesters inside the Catholic clergy are minimal
2. It's mandatory for the Catholic clergy to be celibate and heterosexual
3. The majority of the sexual abuse cases inside the Church occur in the sphere of male sex.

And let's add a last one, the 80% of the cases of sexual abuse were perpetrated against teenagers, not prepubescents.

This only, establishes that the sexual abuse cases are not independent from homosexuality.

1. This is true, I will admit.
2. This is not true. They are normally required to be celibate, yes, though exceptions can be made and in this case celibacy is not used as a byword for sexual abstinence; it simply means they must be unmarried. Likewise, gay men can be ordained so long as they are either closeted or practice chastity. Even then it does not seem this policy is fully enforced as clergy have come out as homosexual before and have not been removed from their posts.
3. Again, this is true. I will admit this.

The sexual abuse of adolescents is still considered the sexual abuse of children, and therefor my point stands. It was simply incorrect of me to use the word 'pedophile' which is strictly limited to prepubescents and not adolescents. I do not believe there is an English word for sexual attraction toward adolescents - but you are free to correct me if I am wrong.

Neo-cuba wrote:Also, i'd like to add how this is not a problem of the Cathlic Church, but a problem of society that happens to affect the Catholic Church. Cardinal Walter Brandmüller leaves it clear on an interview he had with CNA Deutsch:

"Sexual abuse - in any of its forms - is not specifically a Catholic phenomenon"; what can be explained in Germany, for example, with the "sexualization of society for decades - think of Oswalt Kolle and Beate Uhse - that has left its mark on Catholics and those who work for the Church. This allows us to help explain the terrible of the transgressions, but in no way is it an excuse for the abuses. "

Oswalt Kolle was a writer, audiovisual producer and defender of the sexual revolution in Germany during the 1960s and 1970s, while Beate Uhse AG is a German distributor of pornography, sex toys and lingerie.

"It must be emphatically emphasized that hundreds of thousands of priests and religious serve faithfully and selflessly to men and to God. Putting them under general suspicion is offensive and unjustified, considering the small percentage of abusers. In addition, it is also an excessively simplistic perspective to see in this issue only the Catholic Church ", also said the cardinal.

According to a recent study conducted in the United States by a sociologist named Paul Sallins, in the 1950s homosexual priests were 4% of the clergy, while in the 1980s the percentage rose to 16%.

This is heavily correlated to homosexuality. There are many references and sources of statistics and studies as well that indicate this as well.

You make a valid point here. The over-sexualization of modern society is contributing to increased sexual deviancy and hedonism. I will not deny this.

Neo-cuba

Badb catha wrote:I agree that I do not find it likely that such a horrible event could ever be repeated... yet as they say: "History repeats itself". Nothing is certain. At the moment it is unlikely, this we can agree on.

when that time comes we must be alert, as Christians, to prevent evil people from doing something like that again... I must agree, in any case, that although unlikely, the possibility is present.

Badb catha wrote:Interesting. So you are saying the Inquisition did not commit these acts that are commonly attributed to them?

Exactly, the atrocious image of a sadistic and completely oppressive Inquisition did not exist. I am not denying that from a moment to another the Inquisition could have committed excesses, but just not in the way that people think about it in an obscurantist and completely devoid of mercy sense. To start from the fact that the Inquisition could only judge Catholics, not people from other Faith.

Badb catha wrote:2. This is not true. They are normally required to be celibate, yes, though exceptions can be made and in this case celibacy is not used as a byword for sexual abstinence; it simply means they must be unmarried. Likewise, gay men can be ordained so long as they are either closeted or practice chastity. Even then it does not seem this policy is fully enforced as clergy have come out as homosexual before and have not been removed from their posts.

I used to believe that homosexual seminarists were greatly discouraged. Also, You have to take into account such a situation, imagine a homosexual in an environment of men and sexual repression, sure is not something easy. This is the cause of many claims of a homosexual 'subculture' growing in the seminars.

Badb catha wrote:The sexual abuse of adolescents is still considered the sexual abuse of children, and therefor my point stands. It was simply incorrect of me to use the word 'pedophile' which is strictly limited to prepubescents and not adolescents. I do not believe there is an English word for sexual attraction toward adolescents - but you are free to correct me if I am wrong.

No, you make a good point here, you aren't wrong. I mentioned it because you made the claim of priests not needing to be homosexual to commit abuse since girls and boys were more or less indistinguishable as prepubescents. In the case of teenagers, this is no longer valid as before.

I also recognize that the Church may be in need for Fascism. Society needs Fascism, so the Church may clean itself from this perversion

Badb catha

Notre Dame wasn't an accident... This is the result of weeks of attacks against Churches by Muslim immigrants.

Neo-cuba wrote:Notre Dame wasn't an accident... This is the result of weeks of attacks against Churches by Muslim immigrants.

Do not condemn without concrete proof, nor spread fear.

As of now, the investigations have just begun and there is no reason to start pointing fingers.

Free assyria, The cumbrian state, and Badb catha

Atsuria wrote:Do not condemn without concrete proof, nor spread fear.

As of now, the investigations have just begun and there is no reason to start pointing fingers.

They will tell you nothing, i could expect a false explanation from the French authorities about the cause of the fire. I do not deny what is evident. Furthermore, you must take into account that revealing the truth could cause more social unrest.

Neo-cuba wrote:They will tell you nothing, i could expect a false explanation from the French authorities about the cause of the fire. I do not deny what is evident. Furthermore, you must take into account that revealing the truth could cause more social unrest.

You are not the police as far as I know, just because you may think the explanation is false does not necessarily make it so. In this age, it is easy to dismiss the authorities, but principles should be maintained lest the world burns itself alive. A Principled man is a victor of himself; "Vincit Qui Se Vincit".

And one of those principles is Justice, to bring those responsible to face the consequences. We live in a civilized world, we do not burn people because the mob "thinks" they are responsible, we study first, only then we do what we have to do.

and, you do realize that in the case it would be on purpose, they are not required to be Muslims? Haters of religion have burned Churches before, or pyromaniacs, or people on drugs doing mischievous deeds et cetera.

Free assyria and Badb catha

"I do not deny what is evident"

If anything, the general mood of the atmosphere is the perfect cover for someone to get away and shift the blame for their deeds to whatever group perfectly happens to be on a negative spotlight at the time. In Hitler's Reich, the arson of the Reichstag for put on the bill of the communists thought there is a dispute to this day to as to the credibility of this judgement, and areas of suspicion.

The people, of course, took this easily, they had seen themselves the rioting and violence the communists had committed to in earlier times. It was "evident" the fire was yet another crime in their long list.

Free assyria and Badb catha

Atsuria wrote: You are not the police as far as I know, just because you may think the explanation is false does not necessarily make it so. In this age, it is easy to dismiss the authorities, but principles should be maintained lest the world burns itself alive. A Principled man is a victor of himself; "Vincit Qui Se Vincit".

And one of those principles is Justice, to bring those responsible to face the consequences. We live in a civilized world, we do not burn people because the mob "thinks" they are responsible, we study first, only then we do what we have to do.

and, you do realize that in the case it would be on purpose, they are not required to be Muslims? Haters of religion have burned Churches before, or pyromaniacs, or people on drugs doing mischievous deeds et cetera.

You like to separate this event from the facts. I would accept said claim about the pyromaniacs and druggies if we were in another context. The context tells to us, however, that this is related to the many attacks and profanities against Churches that occurred in the past weeks before Notre Dame. Besides, i am not calling to prosecute anyone, but to be alert.

Atsuria wrote:"I do not deny what is evident"

If anything, the general mood of the atmosphere is the perfect cover for someone to get away and shift the blame for their deeds to whatever group perfectly happens to be on a negative spotlight at the time. In Hitler's Reich, the arson of the Reichstag for put on the bill of the communists thought there is dispute to this day to this judgement, and areas of suspicion.

The people, of course, took this easily, they had seen themselves the rioting and violence the communists had committed to in earlier times. It was "evident" the fire was yet another crime in their long list.

Know what? The muslims aren't on a negative spotlight.

Neo-cuba wrote:Notre Dame wasn't an accident... This is the result of weeks of attacks against Churches by Muslim immigrants.

They've already ruled out arson.

And what attacks, exactly?

Badb catha

Neo-cuba wrote:You like to separate this event from the facts. I would accept said claim about the pyromaniacs and druggies if we were in another context. The context tells to us, however, that this is related to the many attacks and profanities against Churches that occurred in the past weeks before Notre Dame. Besides, i am not calling to prosecute anyone, but to be alert.

No, I am saying to keep a level head and keep all options open until proven otherwise.

Context is what it is yes, but life's beauty is in its uncertainty, occasional randomness. And as it is possible a deadly meteor could hit any minute (as around 10%) are discovered only after they've passed Earth, so too is it possible that, despite the seeming "trend" to say otherwise, that this was a separate thing.

Possibility and chances do always exist, and not everything is necessarily related.

And as of now, your authorities have found structural deficiences which may very well have been behind it. A similar thing happened in Brasil (As Comrade-Advisor Brazika would well know), a fire destroyed 90% of the collection of the National Museum, a deep and saddening tragedy.

Want to know what caused it? Faulty air conditioning.

Free assyria, Brazika, and Badb catha

Neo-cuba wrote:Know what? The muslims aren't on a negative spotlight.

Lol, yeah they are. They have been since 9/11 in the US, and since the beginning of the Migrant Crisis in Europe.

Atsuria and Badb catha

Neo-cuba wrote:Know what? The muslims aren't on a negative spotlight.

I find your statement contradictory to what you said earlier.

Neo-cuba wrote:Notre Dame wasn't an accident... This is the result of weeks of attacks against Churches by Muslim immigrants.

Would that not put them on a bad spotlight?

Free assyria, Brazika, and Badb catha

Plus there was literally a church fire in Louisiana a few days ago set by some crazed Black Metal fan. Just because a church burns doesn't mean it's Muslims behind it.

Atsuria and Badb catha

Free assyria wrote:Plus there was literally a church fire in Louisiana a few days ago set by some crazed Black Metal fan. Just because a church burns doesn't mean it's Muslims behind it.

Propably a wannabe satanist

Free assyria, Brazika, and Badb catha

Plus plus.

Speaking of Black Metal; there's a Black Metal artist by the name of Varg Vikernes who was convicted of burning several churches in the early 90s in Norway - as well as the murder of a former bandmate with whom he had a falling out with - who happens to live in France. He is also a known Heathen (Nordic pagan revivalism, that is) and Neo-Nazi.

Honestly his very presence in the country coupled with his history of Christophobia makes it far more likely he committed any theoretical arson than just some random Muslim. But again, the police already ruled out arson so it's all moot. This isn't Germany or Sweden we're talking about, either. If France found it was an act of terrorism committed by a Muslim migrant then France would say so. Most of that PC sh*t comes from Germany and Sweden.

Atsuria and Badb catha

Atsuria wrote:No, I am saying to keep a level head and keep all options open until proven otherwise.

Context is what it is yes, but life's beauty is in its uncertainty, occasional randomness. And as it is possible a deadly meteor could hit any minute (as around 10%) are discovered only after they've passed Earth, so too is it possible that, despite the seeming "trend" to say otherwise, that this was a separate thing.

Possibility and chances do always exist, and not everything is necessarily related.

And as of now, your authorities have found structural deficiences which may very well have been behind it. A similar thing happened in Brasil (As Comrade-Advisor Brazika would well know), a fire destroyed 90% of the collection of the National Museum, a deep and saddening tragedy.

Want to know what caused it? Faulty air conditioning.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt

Free assyria wrote:Plus plus.

Speaking of Black Metal; there's a Black Metal artist by the name of Varg Vikernes who was convicted of burning several churches in the early 90s in Norway - as well as the murder of a former bandmate with whom he had a falling out with - who happens to live in France. He is also a known Heathen (Nordic pagan revivalism, that is) and Neo-Nazi.

Honestly his very presence in the country coupled with his history of Christophobia makes it far more likely he committed any theoretical arson than just some random Muslim. But again, the police already ruled out arson so it's all moot. This isn't Germany or Sweden we're talking about, either. If France found it was an act of terrorism committed by a Muslim migrant then France would say so. Most of that PC sh*t comes from Germany and Sweden.

Nazi LARPers worship Vikernes

Atsuria, Free assyria, and Badb catha

Neo-cuba wrote:I will give you the benefit of the doubt

Thanks.

Hmm, what else could we discuss now? Finnish Parliamentary elections of last Sunday? Maybe some of you kept up with news to know about it.

Free assyria, Brazika, and Badb catha

Atsuria wrote:Thanks.

Hmm, what else could we discuss now? Finnish Parliamentary elections of last Sunday? Maybe some of you kept up with news to know about it.

Derp. I know nothing about Finnish politics.

Who is worth voting for?

Atsuria, Brazika, Neo-cuba, and Badb catha

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