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Well then. Alright. That just happened.

Requiemis wrote:

Sayonara.

Aucturis wrote:

I’m bringing Aucturis too. I’m done with Abydos.

Bye Felicia.

I was not unfair. I was not meanspirited. I called it like I saw it. And I'm not the only one who shares this view of things.

Zartavaria wrote:

I was not unfair. I was not meanspirited. I called it like I saw it. And I'm not the only one who shares this view of things.

Back before the scribe election where he and I were jointly elected, you mentioned looking for someone to fill the position, he mentioned interest, and Zyris said that he would be a good pick for the position. So he resigned from office to apply for the position, but he never actually applied. He assumed he would just be given the position. He had this idea in his head that the office was his if he resigned, so he did, then he didn't get it. Now what did he have? He gave up any position he had for nothing, so he got fed up and left.

He was in the wrong, but I understand his feelings regardless.

Ladies and Gentlemen of Abydos:

WE NOW LEGALLY HAVE RIGHTS!!!

Zartavaria wrote:

Caused? He did that on his own. I'm doing my job. And will not apologize for that.

You didn't have to be so blunt about it. You could have maybe found something else for him to do. Instead, you called him entitled and wounded his ego when he was already upset. You might not have been the main cause, but you certainly did nothing to help the matter.

Antideluvian empyrea wrote:

Back before the scribe election where he and I were jointly elected, you mentioned looking for someone to fill the position, he mentioned interest, and Zyris said that he would be a good pick for the position. So he resigned from office to apply for the position, but he never actually applied. He assumed he would just be given the position. He had this idea in his head that the office was his if he resigned, so he did, then he didn't get it. Now what did he have? He gave up any position he had for nothing, so he got fed up and left.

He was in the wrong, but I understand his feelings regardless.

I didn't have anything else for him. Why didn't Ancient Greek Kingdoms offer him Ma'at Emperor? That appears open.

Zartavaria wrote:

Are we adults here, or aren't we? You're going to win some, you're going to lose some. You're going to face some opposition along the way. It happens.

Apparently so but he’s not an adult. I believe he was still in school from what I heard

Zartavaria wrote:

I didn't have anything else for him. Why didn't Ancient Greek Kingdoms offer him Ma'at Emperor? That appears open.

AGK wasn't on when this went down. Hell, *I* only got on just as it was all happening, so I didn't get the chance to talk to him. The point is, you didn't have to insult him by telling him that he was a negligent president, that he tried to steal Yaqobias job (which he didn't, he never tried to take Chief Cartographer from him, I went back and checked the RMB from that time), then tell him he was being entitled. Not to mention basically telling him that he was petty to want to run against you for the perceived slight.

You could have simply said: "I'm sorry if you were under the impression that you had been offed the position, but that was clearly a miscommunication. I am sure there is something else in the region you might be suited for." Literally JUST that could have probably defused the situation, but you always seem to lack any tact when talking to people.

A big part of politics is choosing your words carefully. That: you certainly did not do. You claim to tell it how it is and just expect for people to just accept when you (intentionally or not) come off as rude. I was born with a social developmental disorder, and I understand how to interact with people better than that. Not everyone is the same. Not everyone thinks the way you think. You need to learn that you can't just expect the world to act as you wish.

I'm not blaming you for his leaving. It was his decision. But you need to learn how to better handle delicate situations. Especially in your executive office.

I try to stay out of these small matters, but here we go. These need to he addressed because it effects the character of this region.

On Requiemis

I believe that if Requiemis quit Abydos because he did not get one position, then his loyalties are seriously in question, that or his judgements. He made a poor choice. He ran for scribe, and before the elections hinted at leaving that position. He was elected anyway. Then he resigned with no guarantee that he would be appointed to anything. When he apparently didnt get appointed he quits.

Honestly, that is bad strategy, and Abydos requires a level of strategy. Additionally, every nation should expect to "win some, lose some". It is the nature of politics. Remember when Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney quit the various things they were doing to vie for a position and ultimately lost? Same thing. These people did not simply move out of the US, they regrouped, restrategized and went for something else. Ronald Reagan lost several elections before getting elected President. So did Trump. Bill Clinton lost the Governors House after just 2 years, but came back to win it again. I would therefore argue that a nation here can mis-strategize his or her position and lose, but the only guaranteed way to never win again is to give up.

Whether or not I feel Requiemis could be a decent Chief Ambassador is irrelevant, it was a nice endorsement. What matters is if the Grand Luxarch and the High Priest felt he should be Chief Ambassador. Apparently they chose differently. This is the nature of politics and we have a system where nobody gets what they want 100% of the time. I certainly havent gotten what I want, nor has the Grand Luxarch, nor has the High Priest. What matters is what we do about it, what plan we have, what ideas we can put forth, and what changes we can do. As for Requiemis, I am a little disappointed he chose to leave, I'd encourage him to reconsider his choice, and restrategize his ascent.

Zartavaria and the Grand Luxarch chose differently. I have to respect their decision and feel that what is done is done. Requiemis should have done more, much more to gain the support of the people who would put him in the position he desired. Quitting only shows that their decision was actually for the best, because it displays an underlying lack of strategy, lack of commitment, and lack of ability to handle criticism or rejection. It's not pretty, and I dislike when anyone leaves, but I will stand by the position of our leaders in shaping this region how they see fit.

On SVR2200
We spent a great deal of time ratifying a constitution for the region that gives everyone a fair chance to participate in a fun way. SVR knows this, yet refuses to participate.

We therefore should not apologize for our laws or for his circumstances. It is not difficult, and has no lasting effect to join the World Assembly for a day or so to become a citizen. This is our most basic requirement.

I would argue that if he can not honor the most basic requirement of Abydos, then he shouldnt he given the privilege of having the rights that come with it. We all had to join the WA to play. Some joined and stayed, some immediately joined and resigned. Still we all did what we had to do.

I do not doubt the character if SVR, or his record on anything else, but I would ask everyone why this one nation feels that an accepting should be made for him when it is afforded to noone else? Is it because he has been here a long time? Or held an office previously? Many of us have been here a long time, many if us have held offices previously. We didnt get special treatment. I personally do not feel he should either.

I would once again encourage SVR to join the World Assembly for as long as it takes to approve your application and resign thereafter if you wish. If this is unacceptable, I would encourage you to drop the matter and stop dividing Abydos on it's most basic policies. It really puts everyone in an unfair position. I really can not say it any better.

Can we PLEASE go one blasted day without you two MFs at eachother's throats!? Both of you need to let it go. It happened, big frigging woop! We can't change it now.

You two are a big f***ing issue sometimes. Your constant fighting lately is what's going to drive people out of the region. You both claim to be unifiers and above partisan bs, but I am high-key glad I'm with the Royalists and not either of your parties.

I want to be able to work with everyone in this region, but you need to grow up.

Zartavaria, you ARE rude to people, whether you realise it or not, your tone comes off as arrogant sometimes. You need to watch that.

Antideluvian empyrea you are pretentious. You always have to be the smartest person in the room. You aren't the only person in Abydos who cares about it. So quit being so judgmental all the time.

Who cares why Requiemis is gone? Let's look to the future. We have a debate on electoral reform to finish.

^
Sounds about right. Let's move on.

In other news, congrats on the Bill of Rights!

Zartavaria wrote:

The joke's on you then.Murgenisten and I have made an alliance for our two parties to work together.

Wow... that is what you took from that? Just... wow!

I think I'm done for the night too.