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Civitas asiae et pacificarum

Ecclestia wrote:We are at a record number of Nations. Very excited to be a part of the Union of Christian Nations right now :)

Absolutely! In fact, wait for a surprise coming soon :)

Ecclestia and Swisso-britannia

Ænglaland wæs an cynerice in Europa. Þæt land is nū in Þæs Geanedenes Cynerices and spræcþ Nīw Ænglisc.

Nazarene Israel, Swisso-britannia, and Magna romania

Just want to welcome all the newcomers to the UCN!

Ecclestia, Geneviev, Eudoria, and Swisso-britannia

As parts of the body of Jesus, we are the church! :)

Ecclestia, Empire of Constantinople, Nazarene Israel, Republic of wayward current, and 2 othersCivitas asiae et pacificarum, and Kalponia

Going to be doing a перестройка для демократии. I will try to maintain the monarchy after violently oppressing the citizenry for almost the entire time I've played this game.

Empire of Constantinople wrote:Going to be doing a перестройка для демократии. I will try to maintain the monarchy after violently oppressing the citizenry for almost the entire time I've played this game.

Sounds reasonable

Horalion wrote:Sounds reasonable

Good, because I don't want to fall like Gorby.

Empire of Constantinople wrote:Going to be doing a перестройка для демократии. I will try to maintain the monarchy after violently oppressing the citizenry for almost the entire time I've played this game.

Me: *sees ally about to be dethroned by infidel modernists*
SEND IN THE TANKS

Kalponia

Nazarene Israel wrote:Me: *sees ally about to be dethroned by infidel modernists*
SEND IN THE TANKS

Хаха! Мне нужно помощь.

Nazarene Israel wrote:Me: *sees ally about to be dethroned by infidel modernists*
SEND IN THE TANKS

А не беспокотесь...я был демократией для 30 секунд. 30 секунд! Моему «революцию» регулировался. Хаха! «Революция»- смешная! Да здравствует король...значу премьер министр.

Civitas asiae et pacificarum

Let us welcome Dukeshand to the UCN!

Ecclestia, Geneviev, Puerto sabio de logos, Pageantopolis land, and 1 otherKalponia

Pageantopolis land

Civitas asiae et pacificarum wrote:Let us welcome Dukeshand to the UCN!

Welcome!!

Ecclestia, Civitas asiae et pacificarum, and Kalponia

Empire of Constantinople wrote:А не беспокотесь...я был демократией для 30 секунд. 30 секунд! Моему «революцию» регулировался. Хаха! «Революция»- смешная! Да здравствует король...значу премьер министр.

I actually sided with the coup when I got the issue, so I guess that was my own revolution... actually the best decision for my country since I started it

Люди...мнения о расколи в Русской церкви между русских и украинцев...так как христиане как вы думаете о этого? Я русский православный, итак моё мнение есть против Константинополя и Филарета.

На английском:
People, opinons about the schism in the Russian Church between Russians and Ukrainians (of the schismatic Ukrainian Patriarchate)...as Christians, what do you think about this? I am a Russian orthodox, and so my opinion is against Constantinople and Filaret.
P.S. I have the parenthesis for clarification as translation from Russian isn't always clear.
P.P.S. Constantinople overstepped its boundaries in November by "granting" the autonomous Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Russian Patriarchate autocephaly, and granted the schismatic Ukrainian "Patriarchate" jurisdiction over all of Ukraine. Since the late 1500s, Ukraine has not been part of Constantinople's jurisdiction, and thus it is clear today that His All-Holiness Bartholomew is making a grievous mistake trying to act as some sort of Pope.

Empire of Constantinople wrote:Люди...мнения о расколи в Русской церкви между русских и украинцев...так как христиане как вы думаете о этого? Я русский православный, итак моё мнение есть против Константинополя и Филарета.

На английском:
People, opinons about the schism in the Russian Church between Russians and Ukrainians (of the schismatic Ukrainian Patriarchate)...as Christians, what do you think about this? I am a Russian orthodox, and so my opinion is against Constantinople and Filaret.
P.S. I have the parenthesis for clarification as translation from Russian isn't always clear.
P.P.S. Constantinople overstepped its boundaries in November by "granting" the autonomous Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Russian Patriarchate autocephaly, and granted the schismatic Ukrainian "Patriarchate" jurisdiction over all of Ukraine. Since the late 1500s, Ukraine has not been part of Constantinople's jurisdiction, and thus it is clear today that His All-Holiness Bartholomew is making a grievous mistake trying to act as some sort of Pope.

I’m not Orthodox, but the issue did take my eye as a happening within global Christendom. I’m not too knowledgeable about the context of the schism, but I’d like to know more about it.

Civitas asiae et pacificarum

Crown gilead, Welcome to the UCN!

Ecclestia, Kalponia, and Crown gilead

Nazarene Israel wrote:I’m not Orthodox, but the issue did take my eye as a happening within global Christendom. I’m not too knowledgeable about the context of the schism, but I’d like to know more about it.

The context is entirely Ukrainian nationalism of the most toxic, unhealthy form. Ukraine has been of the Russian Church since the 1500s, when the Metropolitanate of Kiev finally joined Moscow (though the Patriarch of Moscow at the time was the successor of Job, who was Metropolitan of Moscow and Kiev at the time of his crowning). This was meant to unite all of the Rus' lands to one Orthodox Church, and thus because of our own autocephalous status that had began in the 1400s (we refused emphatically the Council of Florence of 1438), we do not recognise any interference in our jurisdiction from Constantinople. Ukraine and Belarus are both autonomous parts of the Russian Orthodox Church, meaning that they are already governed with locals, and without much interference from Moscow. This system has existed since 1991, when it became necessary. Unfortunately, several schismatic groups grounded entirely in hateful nationalism already popped up, and now it has become a full-blown schism between the two largest Orthodox communities, despite Bartholomew needing to know better than to encourage nationalists and also about the dangers of the pursuit of power.

Post self-deleted by Civitas asiae et pacificarum.

Empire of Constantinople wrote:The context is entirely Ukrainian nationalism of the most toxic, unhealthy form. Ukraine has been of the Russian Church since the 1500s, when the Metropolitanate of Kiev finally joined Moscow (though the Patriarch of Moscow at the time was the successor of Job, who was Metropolitan of Moscow and Kiev at the time of his crowning). This was meant to unite all of the Rus' lands to one Orthodox Church, and thus because of our own autocephalous status that had began in the 1400s (we refused emphatically the Council of Florence of 1438), we do not recognise any interference in our jurisdiction from Constantinople. Ukraine and Belarus are both autonomous parts of the Russian Orthodox Church, meaning that they are already governed with locals, and without much interference from Moscow. This system has existed since 1991, when it became necessary. Unfortunately, several schismatic groups grounded entirely in hateful nationalism already popped up, and now it has become a full-blown schism between the two largest Orthodox communities, despite Bartholomew needing to know better than to encourage nationalists and also about the dangers of the pursuit of power.

I am not an orthodox, and neither am I a person with particular sympathy for Ukraine; but what's wrong with nationalism and Ukraine's wish to separate from Moscow? Ukrainians today identify as a different ethnic community than Russians, and as such, they have a right to break off.

Empire of Constantinople wrote:Люди...мнения о расколи в Русской церкви между русских и украинцев...так как христиане как вы думаете о этого? Я русский православный, итак моё мнение есть против Константинополя и Филарета.

На английском:
People, opinons about the schism in the Russian Church between Russians and Ukrainians (of the schismatic Ukrainian Patriarchate)...as Christians, what do you think about this? I am a Russian orthodox, and so my opinion is against Constantinople and Filaret.
P.S. I have the parenthesis for clarification as translation from Russian isn't always clear.
P.P.S. Constantinople overstepped its boundaries in November by "granting" the autonomous Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Russian Patriarchate autocephaly, and granted the schismatic Ukrainian "Patriarchate" jurisdiction over all of Ukraine. Since the late 1500s, Ukraine has not been part of Constantinople's jurisdiction, and thus it is clear today that His All-Holiness Bartholomew is making a grievous mistake trying to act as some sort of Pope.

So I'm going to stay clear of the nationalism discussion. I don't know enough about the situation and I'm probably one of the least nationalistic people around. This is one of the reasons why I'm so uncomfortable with an episcopal church governance system. From my interpretation of the Bible, congregational governance is the way in which Churches were run and should continue to be so. If each assembly of believers was self-governed, many of these issues wouldn't happen and we wouldn't be talking about nationalism or broader geo-political issues. I feel the apostles talk so much about the unity of believers. Despite a separation on paper, I believe we are all the body of Christ and united by the spirit under Jesus. Just my thoughts.

Ndaku and Kalponia

Magna romania

Nazarene Israel wrote:I’m not Orthodox, but the issue did take my eye as a happening within global Christendom. I’m not too knowledgeable about the context of the schism, but I’d like to know more about it.

Empire of Constantinople wrote:The context is entirely Ukrainian nationalism of the most toxic, unhealthy form. Ukraine has been of the Russian Church since the 1500s, when the Metropolitanate of Kiev finally joined Moscow (though the Patriarch of Moscow at the time was the successor of Job, who was Metropolitan of Moscow and Kiev at the time of his crowning). This was meant to unite all of the Rus' lands to one Orthodox Church, and thus because of our own autocephalous status that had began in the 1400s (we refused emphatically the Council of Florence of 1438), we do not recognise any interference in our jurisdiction from Constantinople. Ukraine and Belarus are both autonomous parts of the Russian Orthodox Church, meaning that they are already governed with locals, and without much interference from Moscow. This system has existed since 1991, when it became necessary. Unfortunately, several schismatic groups grounded entirely in hateful nationalism already popped up, and now it has become a full-blown schism between the two largest Orthodox communities, despite Bartholomew needing to know better than to encourage nationalists and also about the dangers of the pursuit of power.

Basically what he said. Frankly, I think the whole schism is a political power play on behalf of a ragtag band of Ukrainian separatists. They were just fine being part of the Russian Church for hundreds of years, why pitch a hissie fit now?

New Aeyariss wrote:I am not an orthodox, and neither am I a person with particular sympathy for Ukraine; but what's wrong with nationalism and Ukraine's wish to separate from Moscow? Ukrainians today identify as a different ethnic community than Russians, and as such, they have a right to break off.

The reason I am against is because I am ROC from Donetsk, and despite our differences, Ukraine and Russia have been under the same jurisdiction for the longest time. The time when Ukraine was under Constantinople was due to Poland-Lithuania appealing to the Patriarch of Constantinople so that the Rus' people of Kiev would not be with Moscow, despite the fact that the Metropolitans of Kiev had been in residence in Moscow precisely because of Poland. Constantinople is playing the old game again. Talk to normal Ukrainians and Russians, and they don't have a problem with each other and don't really see any real reason for ecclesiatical autocephaly, especially since, while they are separate groups today, the ties that still keep them together are very strong. Histories that overlap no matter what tries to get in the way are what make Belarus, Russia and Ukraine the three brotherly nations they are today, united by religious, linguistic and cultural ties.

Hi

Swisso-britannia and Kalponia

Republic of wayward current

Christian confederation wrote:Hi

Hello, I like your name.

Swisso-britannia, Christian confederation, and Kalponia

Republic of wayward current wrote:Hello, I like your name.

Thanks

Swisso-britannia and Kalponia

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