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This is not just a proposal; this is Resolution nr. 24. Bills and resolutions are not supposed to be treated carelessly like this, especially by an official institution like the League. Either Thromsa could have withdrawn the original resolution and presented a new one, or they can file an amendment, but in the latter case, the League should first vote to adopt the amendment or not and then vote on the final version of the resolution. The whole fact that the League doesn't seem to take its own procedures seriously, could actually be reason for Nhoor to agree with Thromsa's resolution, but as it is, I'm not sure if the outcome of this vote can be considered valid.
Well, as the number of countries I trade with can be counted with on one hand I´d say you are right, but if selling 20 cars makes you into the top 10 then congratulations :)
I never noticed how close my capital´s name is to your country.... is your country of irish decent as well?
I see your point. I agree that this is a Resolution, but as it was not voted upon until now, it is only a Proposal. Its not enacted legislation.
The fact of the matter is, there are no specific regulations implementing an amendment can not be added to a resolution after it was presented to the League. With no regulations guarding that, Thromsa could add the amendment without having to put a vote on it. This would be different if this was not just a proposal but a manifested resolution or if anyone but the author had presented this before the League, but as it seems, there are no regulations and no insitutions or nations who could be called upon to enforce this.
and that's exactly the problem, the League has no rules of procedure since almost none of us are used to how this would actually work. Implementing them would be possible, but difficult and of questionable worth.
Since there are no procedural rules to the League I considered that a pre-vote amendment done by the proposing member should be considered as an integral part of the resolution. And thus this vote would be on the proposal as amended.
That was my assumption, since you’re the draft resolution’s sole sponsor and you submitted the amendment, the rules of procedure I know would consider it a friendly amendment and be instantly adopted into the draft resolution.
One could, in order to avoid setting up a complicated rulebook, give a general guide on how to submit proposals and have complicated cases of formal and/or material problems go before a court-like institution implicated in the League apparatus itself.
Why would a formal institution be needed for rules of procedure? That stuff is handled by the committee chair (in this case, the League Sec-Gen) on the spot.
Well if that is the case, cant he handle the present issue with the addition of the amendment?
Nope - lifted the nation name from an imaginary country I had as a kid which stole the name of a suburb in australias capital
Nhoor, Scaedia, and Totomishin
Well, I guess I decided to try it anyways. Here's my proposal for a shorthand rules of procedure for the League going forward.
Any member may ask the Chair to open a debate on a topic, providing:
It is clearly defined,
It is relevant to the Charter*,
It is necessary for the League to address it.
After which a vote is conducted on whether to open debate, followed by:
** Once debate is opened, any member may draft and submit a working paper to the Chair, and introduce it once it is ready to be read:
During this time, the author is allowed to independently amend their working paper and debate its contents with other members,
During this time, the author shall collect signatures and sponsors of their working paper, two sponsors (not including themselves) or three signatories is necessary for a working paper to be adopted as a draft resolution.
After which a vote is conducted on whether to introduce the working paper as a draft resolution, followed by:
Once a working paper is introduced as a draft resolution, any member may debate the merits and contents of the resolution and propose amendments; if the sponsors introduce or affirm an amendment, it will be immediately adopted, otherwise it will be voted on when the debate on the draft resolution is closed.
After which a vote is conducted on whether to close debate on the draft, followed by:
Once debate on the draft resolution is closed, all unfriendly amendments are considered and a second reading of the draft is conducted. After this, the members may either adopt the draft or reconsider and move back one step.
Once a resolution is adopted, the topic is closed and debate will move to the next topic. Once all topics are resolved, the League Assembly is considered adjourned until the next topic is introduced.
* I'm half-questioning the enforceability of this rule but it's meant for people to set a topic directly related to Matters of Concern as outlined in the Charter. This also includes enforcement of Member Obligations, Peacekeeping, and amending the Charter.
** Similarly, I'm questioning the point of using this thinking from a perspective that's not used to parliamentary procedure. While it's a valid point to not include this step and move directly into steps 3 and 4, I feel like in a written RP environment having the essential parts of a resolution written, presented, and amended before it's considered ready to be voted on as a full resolution is useful. It might be possible to merge 2 and 3 into the same process but I'm not immediately comfortable with it.
This just in, Ainslie is a thief
San Montagna, Alteran republics, Nhoor, Solaryia, and 1 otherTotomishin
Hello, everyone! I have just decided to move this puppet nation of mine here from my puppet storage in order to develop it more, as well as possibly engage in some NS RPs! The theme I'm going for with this account is something like Arstotzka from the video game Papers Please. I have been on NS for quite a while now, so I have heard many mentions of this region, and decided to check it out!
Welcome to our most glorious country, papers please or I have you thrown in jail.
Anyway, welcome :)
Marksleih Carbyd (MaCb) V/38
A staple of 1930s Alteran tank design
The Marksleih Carbyd V/38 was the continuation of the V/31 tank design fielded by the Alteran Forces.
Several hundred vehicles were manufactured, which served with the Alteran forces from 1939 to the 1950s in a variety of roles.
At the outbreak of war, it became an iconic vehicle wielded by the Alteran military, used primarily as a frontline medium tank.
Known for its reliability and robustness, it would continue to serve armed forces around the region in a variety of configurations,
ranging from command vehicles, light tanks and self-propelled artillery.
Marksleih Carbyd (MaCb) V/38
Photo of MaCb V/38 from the side-view
Name | Marksleih Carbyd (MaCb) V/38 |
Role | Medium Tank |
Origin | |
Manufacturer | Alteran Motor-Carriage Company (A.M.C.) |
Produced | 1938 - 1946 |
In-Service | 1939 - 1951 |
Primary Users |
Type | Light Tank |
Complement | 3 crew |
Armament | x1 37 mm Anti-Tank Gun or |
The Marksleih Carbyd (MaCb) V/38, also known as the TalAMC V/38, was an Alteran Imperial War era light tank designed by the Alteran Motor-Carriage Company (A.M.C.), and later constructed by the Talbot Engineering Works. It was initially armed with a 37 mm anti-tank gun, along with coaxial and hull mounted .303 cal machine guns. However, as the war quickly progressed, the 37 mm anti-tank gun was deemed obsolete, thus a 57 mm anti-tank gun was fitted. Armour protection on the vehicle had been considerably improved over the V/31 design, overall equipped with armour ranging between 5 mm and 50 mm thickness, which - thanks to a combination of welding and sloping - was proven to be effective against most anti-tank rounds up until the middle of the Imperial War. Like its V/31 predecessor, the V/38 tank was considered advanced for its time, featuring advanced design features such as an all-welded construction and used periscopes for visibility rather than view slits.
Several hundred were constructed for the Alteran Defence Forces; remaining a staple of the Alteran military throughout the Imperial War. Thanks to its proven design, reliability and modability, the V/38 would survive into the 1950s in a variety of combat roles.
Design
Probably the most innovative tank in 1934, the Marksleih Carbyd (MaCb) V/38 was the first Alteran vehicle equipped with a torsion-bar suspension system. It was quite revolutionary for the time, providing a far smoother and efficient ride than the old leaf springs. It was largely based on the previous V/31. It was a light tank, but with larger front drive sprockets, four double road wheels of the same diameter as the idler wheel, and two return rollers. The hull was entirely welded.
The V/38 weighed only 7.9 tons, with decent armour, and a 20 mm Verhun QF autocannon, assisted by a two 7.7 mm Verhun machine-gun. It was propelled by a Rowlands V8 cylinder 7.9 litre engine developing 120 kW. A slightly revised, 8.5 ton heavy version entered service with the Alteran army, the V/38D, which featured a 37 mm cannon and an improved turret. During the war they received additional welded armor, up to 50 mm on the glacis and turret mantlet.
Wartime evolution dictated many changes in armor and storage facilities. These came along with a weight nearing 9.3 tons with the additional 50 mm appliqué welded armor. The turret was modified with a new mantlet, side hatches and a commander cupola. The armament was a Verhun 57 mm anti-tank gun coupled with twin Verhun 7.7 mm machine-guns. The vehicle received the factory designation V/38L. An upgraded variant, the V/38N was produced from late 1941. This vehicle, along with the 57 mm anti-tank gun, featured a 140 kW engine, an additional 50 mm of appliqué welded armor, as well as a new command cupola and sighting system for the gunner
Variants
Due to its short service life, few variants were designed and fielded by the Alteran Defence Force; though some foreign militaries saw potential.
Operators
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Some more early IW tanks; eager to export!
I can see these vehicles being of frontline use until around '43/44.
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These sound very reasonable, they would make the whole process a lot easier and smoother. I am all for implementing this.
So just so I understand this correctly. In summary, a total of three votes are held until a resolution is passed.
1. Vote: In order to determine if the topic is relevant to be discussed by the league.
2. Vote: In order to accept the proposed resolution
In this time one has to essentially find three supporting nations who are willing to sign or find two nations who are willing to sponsor this.
3. Vote: In order to accept the proposal and make it official
Just for my understanding, why is it necessary to find sponsors or nations who are willing to sign off before it even comes to a vote?
Hey there my friends!
I'd just like to remind you that you still have 2 weeks to submit a text or story about your NS country as part of the Lusitanian Games (remember you can make a submission in english and another in portuguese). This part of the interregional contest we designed with other regions like Europe, 10000 islands and Forest is directed to those who love RP and wish to tell a short but insightful tale (or any other type of text) about the idealized country you've built and its people which you, as their beloved leader, rule.
You also have time to submit photos in our photography contest and a flag as part of the flag design one.
You can read all about it here:
Is the camera rolling? Let's do this then!
Welcome to the First Edition of the Lusitanian Games (or Lusitaníadas in our oh so tongue-twisting Portuguese). In a never-seen-before attempt, Portugal, Europe, Forest and 10000 Islands came together to offer a fun and engaging time for all the NationStates multiverse: a cultural competition! Consisting of three seperate competitions - Writing, Photography and Flag Design - we hope these games may bring forth some peaceful banter and aid in the strengthening of bonds during such turbulent times. Without further ado, let the games begin!
How can I participate?
Regardless of your region, status in the WA, heck as long as you have a pulse you may join any of the three competitions we have in store for you!
But first, please read the rules below (click the images) and, when your project is finished, send it in the appropriate medium via telegram to each competition's judges.
Tournaments
Grito Corujense: desta vez é pessoal! by Piatinum bees
All the judges, for the English competition
Our Minister Alentejo and Algarve, for the Portuguese competition.
Black and White photos
Photos of national monuments and landmarks
Animal photos
Free category
Jury: Ofiussia (Portugal); The Union Empire (XKI); Logar (Europe)
Submissions:
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For the English Competition:
For the Portuguese Competition:
The nations who wish to join must write a story regarding either an event or a simple story set within their NS countries. This part of the competition will be divided in two seperate sections: one for English-written stories.
Regarding the texts themselves, these must be written out in a dispatch in the respective language of the competition the writer wishes to join (they can submit up to 1 in each). All text formats are allowed (poetry, prose...) and there is no word limit. Plagiarism and hate speech will not be tolerated in a submission (though hateful topics may be explored in the narrative).
In the English competition a jury composed of players from different regions will give out four different thematic awards to the best texts: best scenery, best story progression, best character development and best plot;
As for the Portuguese one, a poll will be conducted in Portugal for its citizens to choose the best text out of the bunch.
Once finished, submissions must be sent via telegram in a dispatch to:
Text by Author | Scenario | Story Progression | Character Development | Plot |
7 🥈 | 9 🥇 | 8,3 🥇 | 7,7 🥇 | |
9 🥇 | 8,3 🥉 | 6,3 🥉 | 7,3 🥈 | |
7 🥈 | 8,6 🥈 | 7,3 🥈 | 7,3 🥈 | |
6 | 4,3 | 1 | 2,3 | |
5 | 3,7 | 2,3 | 2 |
Text by Author | # of Votes | Place |
4 | 1st 🥇 | |
3 | 2nd 🥈 | |
2 | 3rd 🥉 | |
2 | 3rd 🥉 | |
1 | 4th | |
Grito Corujense: desta vez é pessoal! by Piatinum bees | 0 | 5th |
Jury: Astartia (Portugal); Totaristan (Portugal); Uan aa Boa (Forest); Wille-Harlia (XKI)
You will be able to compete in 4 different categories, submitting up to 2 photos taken by you in each one:
Filters will be permited for the photos, but their impact on the quality of the pictures will be taken in account. Plagiarism won't be tolerated.
The 3 best pictures from each category will be chosen by a multirregional juri, to whom you must send your pictures with links (you might wanna use imgur) or in other available mediums that facilitate the jury's work.
- Photos of national monuments and landmarks
Contestant | Best Photo | Remaining Photos | Place |
1st 🥇 | |||
2nd 🥈 | |||
3rd 🥉 |
Jury: Alentejo and Algarve (Portugal); Jutsa (Forest); Pilipinas and Malaya (Europe); Markanite (XKI)
The participants will be encouraged to submit one original design - and with absolute thematic freedom - with the following limitations:
- You can only use up to 4 colours and in this set of 4 you can only use one of the following {green, red, blue}. Coat of arms and others like it must abide by the same rules.
The submission of the flag design must be done in the same way as the photography one, sending the design to all the members of the jury, which will select the 3 best designs.
Flag | Contestant | Portuguese Judge's Score | Forest Judge's score | European Judge's Score | Islander Judge's Score | Average | Place |
8 | 9 | 8 | 10 | 8.75 | 1st 🥇 | ||
10 | 8 | 7 | 8 | 8.25 | 2nd 🥈 | ||
7 | 10 | 6 | 6 | 7.25 | 3rd 🥉 | ||
6 | 9 | 7 | 3 | 6.25 | 4th | ||
7 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 6.25 | 4th | ||
6 | 6 | 2 | 9 | 5.75 | 5th | ||
8 | 2 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 6th | ||
5 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4.25 | 7th | ||
5 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 2.25 | 8th | ||
5 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 9th | ||
--- | --- | --- | --- | --- | Disqualified |
Region | 🥇 | 🥈 | 🥉 | Total |
3 | 1 | 0 | 4 | |
1 | 4 | 1 | 6 | |
1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | |
0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Anything else?
We'd really like if there were lots of you participating and hope that you will try and have fun with us!
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