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The way I see it, so long as he isnt causing any trouble, why make it an issue? It's his beliefs that he doesnt espouse and doesnt try to spread. The only one spreading anything at this point are the people who take someone's private beliefs that they've not mentioned much beyond admission and make it known to everyone. It doesnt make sense and it's just a little annoying to see someone treated like they're an inoperable tumor because of the way they think. Are his ideas detestable? Yes. But as long as he isnt trying to spread it and wont even say anything when asked, then why does it matter?
Noronica and Almorea
what, does he like hate jews or is he just very nationalist?
It matters because what a person believes informs their actions, their thoughts and their interactions. Belief in Nazi ideals is indicative of a certain character. The fact of the matter is that Balnik does have the right to be here and to believe whatever he wants. But it's my belief that allowing Nazism to remain something that we just brush into the background encourages its dissemination and is basically tacit approval for it. If it's considered intolerant of me to bring it forward, then I just don't know what the hell is going on anymore. If I was a member of the KKK or ISIS, would everyone just be quiet about that and claim it was fine so long as I didn't try and convince anyone else?
He has outright stated before that he is a Nazi. Central to the Nazi ideology is an ideal of ethnic hierarchy, purity, and violence. If you claim to be a Nazi, you believe in and support the Holocaust. Balnik has also said before that he does believe in an inequality of the races.
If he was just a nationalist, I wouldn't care. But he believes in the single most detestable ideology developed in the West in the past 100 years.
If nazi ideals are to remain calm and ignore the pestering of others, then theres definitely no problem. Because that's all you're showing here.
Also, being the member of known terrorist groups is much different from holding sympathies with them. One is simply a stupid and despicable idea. The other is acting on that idea.
Why get mad about some nerd role-playing a country claiming he's a nazi IRL when there's scores of people getting raped and butchered each day in Africa and the Middle-East and even in the 'civilized' West by legitimate, real monsters disguised in human form?
Athara magarat, Alteran Republics, Iosnil, and Samaj
Theres not any rape apologists here, so that's not really pertinent to the question at hand
You're acting like I can only be mad about one or the other. That's not the way f*cking life works.
I'm working my ass off studying economics so that I can go to developing countries and help develop policy that will better the lives of people, because I recognize that one of the easiest and best ways to combat that very violence you are talking about is to provide people the opportunity for education, financial freedom and basic infrastructure. I am putting my money, my time, my effort into trying to make this world a better place for the worst off amongst us because I am angered by the atrocities that happen around the world and as a humanist I know that we can do better. So don't treat me like I'm being petty because I also don't think a Nazi should be able to hide behind a curtain of anonymity or deliberate avoidance.
I realize now I should not have tried to meddle in this discussion.
I'll be back when this RMB is fun to be in again.
Well morning everyone!
Hope everyone slept well. What are we all talking about?
“Discussing” the merits of Nazism and the ethical ramifications of allowing such beliefs. Also, politeness.
Well...okay...
Not exactly. Nowhere did we touch on the merits, and nowhere did we suggest disallowing those beliefs. Instead, we were discussing the ethical ramifications of allowing someone to hide such beliefs and whether or not it was okay to be complicit in that if the individual in question wasn't trying to convert others to their belief.
Personally, I think humouring a Nazi is a ridiculous, if not outright morally defective, way to act, but from what I'm seeing I'm the bad guy here for consistently bringing up Balnik's political ideology.
What happened last time we appeased Nazis? :P
The took over Europe.
Thing is, they weren't closet Nazis, they were open Nazis. If he starts acting like it's 1939, I'll be inclined to do something, not proclaim that it's "peace in our time".
Great-Imperialonia, Noronica, and Thuzbekistan
Everyone can believe and say what they want, I believe in total freedom of speech.
"I disagree with everything you say but I will defend your right to say it".
It's when they start being oppressive tyrants that it's not ok, and unless I'm wrong no Nazis have gotten into major seats of power recently.
In my personal opinion communism is a bigger issue.
Aruia 
Ostehaar theres an Israel festival this Sunday in my town. Itll showcase your history, music, food, and what not as a cultural experience. I plan on going. Not sure how accurate or immersive it might be, though.
Great-Imperialonia, Ostehaar, and Athara magarat
Guys it might be best to drop the subject before this devolves to nasty debate.
I believe in the write to say and believe whatever you want. But, by the same token, I'm allowed to call what you say or believe wrong, stupid or morally corrupt. Freedom of Speech is not Freedom from Criticism.
And really? Communism is worse than Nazism? Communism doesn't work and has caused a lot of bad things, to be sure, but the heart of Nazi ideology is hatred and a call for eugenics of various forms. Infinitely worse than the heart of Communism.
Balnik isn't a closet Nazi, he's an out-and-out Nazi. The only reason he stopped bringing it up and asked us to not mention it was that it encouraged criticism of him. I, for one, am going to remind everyone once in awhile.
Whatever. When he does something violent and/or bigoted, I'll condemn him for being violent and/or bigoted.
*sitting in the back eating popcorn*
The only reason why I am not getting in the debate is because these debates always end in a crapshoot.
It's not really a debate though, is it?
Depends on opinion really and what your personal definition of debate is. I see this as a debate as to whether Balnik is truly a nazi, and an open one at that.
Geez Louise. Who knew I can start such a storm without saying a word.
Anyways how is everyone?
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