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Bolshendia wrote:Opinions on vaclav havel?

He wasn't great he toppled communism in Czechoslovakia. Also can we put this into the discord.

Fevhader wrote:He wasn't great he toppled communism in Czechoslovakia. Also can we put this into the discord.

Indeed Discord is good for this sort of thing:)

As for Havel, some good and quite a bit of bad. Not unlike a lot of the people he claimed were vile monsters, so not that big a difference,

Fevhader wrote:Also can we put this into the discord.

Not everything has to be in the Discord, this is a place for discussion too.

Kavagrad wrote:Not everything has to be in the Discord, this is a place for discussion too.

Sorry. Just seems like a better place for this sort of thing.

Bolshendia wrote:Opinions on vaclav havel?

While he was the definitive fall of communism in Czechoslovakia, the decay had started long before him. I would argue it started as far back as Dubček, and for once Brezhnev was in the right with an intervention. Dubček was cited by Gorbachev as an inspiration, and himself ended up belonging to Czechoslovakia's government after 1989 and praising Sweden as his example of what "socialism should look like." His chief economist, Ota Šik, became a virulent anti-communist and dropped Marxism entirely. This would be a worry for the Warsaw Pact, who would ask him to curb anti-socialist forces that were "operating with impunity in Czechoslovakia". Not only did he refuse, but he would go on to embolden these forces that would inevitably lead to Václav Havel taking power and ending communism.

Here are sources for that bit:

* https://archive.org/details/GusHallCzechoslovakia
* https://archive.org/details/ApthekerCzechoslovakia
* https://archive.org/details/IsTheRedFlagFlying (pages 139-146 of the book)
* https://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/samczech/index.htm
* http://lanic.utexas.edu/project/castro/db/1968/19680824.html

As for the man himself, I always find it quite funny how he was renowned for his human rights efforts when he lead a regime that was wholly committed against the common proletariat and allowed his country to become the testbed for the "shock doctrine" of destroying all socialist progress in a country in order to implement a new capitalist regime, which would often sell industry wholesale to wealthy individuals, creating an instant oligarchy over the country which is still in place today. There is very little that one could consider "positive" from the fall of communism in central and eastern Europe: standards of living, lifespan, happiness, productivity, and nutrition have fallen across the board. Things that were eliminated under socialist government such as homelessness (eliminated through hefty rent subsidization) and starvation (food being a basic guarantee) returned with the resurgence of capitalism. Ultimately his position of being born to a wealthy family likely indicates what he aimed with the fall of socialism in Czechoslovakia, and that was the consolidation of wealth and capital to his family, which inherently means the theft of the value of proletarian labor and the loss of economic freedoms in place of the "freedom to starve" which capitalists advocate. You only need to see Marx's theory of alienation to postulate it, but data confirms that people in former Warsaw Pact states see less movies and go out less than under socialism. I could go on, but the general point stands.

Illyrian States wrote:

While he was the definitive fall of communism in Czechoslovakia, the decay had started long before him. I would argue it started as far back as Dubček, and for once Brezhnev was in the right with an intervention. Dubček was cited by Gorbachev as an inspiration, and himself ended up belonging to Czechoslovakia's government after 1989 and praising Sweden as his example of what "socialism should look like." His chief economist, Ota Šik, became a virulent anti-communist and dropped Marxism entirely. This would be a worry for the Warsaw Pact, who would ask him to curb anti-socialist forces that were "operating with impunity in Czechoslovakia". Not only did he refuse, but he would go on to embolden these forces that would inevitably lead to Václav Havel taking power and ending communism.

Here are sources for that bit:

* https://archive.org/details/GusHallCzechoslovakia
* https://archive.org/details/ApthekerCzechoslovakia
* https://archive.org/details/IsTheRedFlagFlying (pages 139-146 of the book)
* https://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/samczech/index.htm
* http://lanic.utexas.edu/project/castro/db/1968/19680824.html

As for the man himself, I always find it quite funny how he was renowned for his human rights efforts when he lead a regime that was wholly committed against the common proletariat and allowed his country to become the testbed for the "shock doctrine" of destroying all socialist progress in a country in order to implement a new capitalist regime, which would often sell industry wholesale to wealthy individuals, creating an instant oligarchy over the country which is still in place today. There is very little that one could consider "positive" from the fall of communism in central and eastern Europe: standards of living, lifespan, happiness, productivity, and nutrition have fallen across the board. Things that were eliminated under socialist government such as homelessness (eliminated through hefty rent subsidization) and starvation (food being a basic guarantee) returned with the resurgence of capitalism. Ultimately his position of being born to a wealthy family likely indicates what he aimed with the fall of socialism in Czechoslovakia, and that was the consolidation of wealth and capital to his family, which inherently means the theft of the value of proletarian labor and the loss of economic freedoms in place of the "freedom to starve" which capitalists advocate. You only need to see Marx's theory of alienation to postulate it, but data confirms that people in former Warsaw Pact states see less movies and go out less than under socialism. I could go on, but the general point stands.

Are his family members oligarchs now?

Bolshendia wrote:Are his family members oligarchs now?

It would be better to say they always were, to be honest. He grew up rich as a kid, and his second wife was an actress. He never had any kids though, so his wealth that was amassed from a result of opening up the country to foreign capital was largely spent on extravagant personal things like cars and big manors, from what I can gather.

Illyrian States wrote:

It would be better to say they always were, to be honest. He grew up rich as a kid, and his second wife was an actress. He never had any kids though, so his wealth that was amassed from a result of opening up the country to foreign capital was largely spent on extravagant personal things like cars and big manors, from what I can gather.

Thanks for the reply, are you Czech?

Including the two RMB votes, Constitution Amendment (Separately Elected) has been rejected, 19-25. For clarity, with 44 votes, the proposal would have required 30 in favour to pass.

I am pleased that this bill has been voted down by the citizens of TLA. Here's to the next item on the legislative agenda!

Bolshendia wrote:Thanks for the reply, are you Czech?

No, just a hobbyist historian.

Llorens wrote: Here's to the next item on the legislative agenda!

Where?

Comrade Index

Some small movements near the bottom of the table, but nothing major. The gap between Vanzef and I is closing very slowly with each passing week, I assure you!

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Young Comrade Index

Some major movements, as per usual. Syndieland retains their title for a third week running, as three NEW nations join the top 15 and Bordigstan snags the biggest jump, climbing 13 spots.

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Hey comrades, got a bit of an announcement for you. (Sorry Horsie for stealing this one, but I just noticed it hadn't been put out there yet so I'll do it now).

After some discussions between myself and our dear Secretary Final Horseman, we've decided that it wouldn't be a bad idea to put together another series of History Project dispatches! As those of you who read the existing ones will know (if you haven't, please do, they are great!) I ended the original set of them shortly before TLA's founding. This seemed a fitting place as it covered most of the history from the split between TCR and DSU up till this region's foundation, which seemed a fine place to stop. Furthermore, I was concerned that recording events that were quite recent in the region's history would compromise the attempt at impartiality I was making in order to serve political or personal grudges or agendas. I felt this was a concern in addition.

However, sufficient time has passed now and the community grown stronger and more diverse by leaps and bounds since then, so I and Horsie are agreed that it's time we did some more. The Secretary suggested that I put some new episodes together that cover some key events in the history of this region since it's founding, the April Crisis, maybe the joining of NSLeft, and a few other such things of significance. I am happy to take up this task and thank Secretary Horseman for being the driving force behind it.

I am still working out details of exactly how many new episodes I'll do and how to organise it but it might work out much the same way as the previous ones did, I get recollections from different people of their perceptions and memories of events so as to avoid just showing one side of the issue and provide a general description of events for the records. If anyone has any ideas or suggestions, maybe something you'd like to have seen done in the original History Project that didn't get in, feel free to contact me.

Those who were around for some of these events are welcome to contribute their recollections or any records they have that they'd like to see used in the episode. Just TG me if you would like to contribute, or if I want your memory of a certain event, I'll contact you:)

Once again, great pleasure to be doing this once again and a true thanks to Secretary Horseman for bringing it to life. I will, obviously, keep posting here and probably on Discord (now I have an excuse to check back more regularly and fix my appalling attendance rate on it), with updates as I work out details and episodes.

Unity in Diversity! Long Live TLA!

Kavagrad wrote:With the current proposed Amendment up for vote, I'd like to go ahead and present the first of two bills I promised in my election campaign.

It seeks to create several new in-trial offences under the umbrella of "contempt of court", as well as allow judges a certain level of flexibility in sentencing, though I will be happy to remove this portion if there is significant opposition.

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I like this bill with Llo's corrections as well. Thorough job.

Llorens wrote:Comrade Index

Some small movements near the bottom of the table, but nothing major. The gap between Vanzef and I is closing very slowly with each passing week, I assure you!

page=dispatch/id=1164833

Young Comrade Index

Some major movements, as per usual. Syndieland retains their title for a third week running, as three NEW nations join the top 15 and Bordigstan snags the biggest jump, climbing 13 spots.

page=dispatch/id=1177502

sick

No need history. word of mouth fine.

Apparently someone tried to login to my account with the wrong password. Should I be worried?

Bryth wrote:Apparently someone tried to login to my account with the wrong password. Should I be worried?

That could have been you on maybe a different device or something. If you get your password and try again with the correct one, I believe it shows that.

If you are concerned, however, just change your password.

AnPrimus wrote:No need history. word of mouth fine.

>:(

Citizens of TLA, the April 2019 Census is now open!
You can fill yours here: https://forms.gle/UetfytVxP8rtL5aZ7

Remember that this is not in-character, please answer as the real you and only do it once, no puppeteering!

Arg will be running the census primarily (as is his job!), but I'm helping him out with it. 39 responses in 15 hours. 👌

I am happy to announce that the Criminal Offence Amendment (In-Court Offences) has passed 6-0, with 1 abstention. In accordance with Section 3 of the Legislature Conduct Act, I can reveal that the votes were cast as follows:

Aye

Secretary The Final Horseman
Prime Minister Argentigrad
Senator Fevhader
Senator Greylyn
Senator Kavagrad
Senator South Miruva

Abstained

Senator Dawtania (on leave)

Wow. Unanimous (If you don't count Dawtania)

[quote=borealian_socialist_republics;35140830]Wow. Unanimous (If you don't count Dawtania)[/quoute]
It was a very well written bill.

Fevhader wrote:It was a very well written bill.

Rare for one of my bills :P

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