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New lonopolian empire wrote:Greetings Comrades,
I would like to personally thank Celera, United states of unfreedom, Cedoria, United soviet communist republics, Daemynos, Erydite, Llorens, Franckley, Norden-scotia, Warriors of perun, and Cuparia for voting for my first amendment, the Overseer of Entertainment Act. As it appears that it will be passed by a large margin, I look forward to the many events that we will be able to enjoy as a result of this legislative breakthrough.

I can't believe I forgot to vote. Lel.

New lonopolian empire

Libertasnia wrote:I can't believe I forgot to vote. Lel.

You still can comrade:)

New lonopolian empire

Welcome to those of you who are new comrades! It's an honor to have you, and we hope you enjoy your time in our region! There is much to do and become involved in here, so please don't hesitate to introduce yourselves and begin participating!

New lonopolian empire, United soviet communist republics, Morogravia, Llorens, and 1 otherNorden-scotia

Comrades! Once again I remind you that the United Armed Forces is open and recruiting! Since our last couple of operations, we have been making some major reforms to improve and modernise our armed forces to improve its capabilities for future operations. Since our numbers are still small, this is a perfect opportunity to get involved! With more people in the UAF, we can start hitting bigger enemy targets, and sooner!

May I remind you all that our military is only as powerful as the number of people in it, if you want our military to be active and really contributing to the cause of the Left, it is your responsibility to be a part of making that happen, numbers literally do matter in the NS Invasion game...

Please contact Ministress of Defence Slavansko or myself if you wish to join, Your Region wants YOU. (Points a finger in a Kitcheneresque way...)

Llorens and Slavansko

This is a bit of an odd thing but I am just going to state it before I forget and/or get eaten by the new semester; I found some old notes on my planned Constitution changes that got set aside by college. While I will get around to hopefully having everything on the list be at least considered one minor change I would like to see sooner rather than later is the removal of any gendered language as to be more inclusive towards non-binary individuals. I would draft an amendment but I am a bit swamped trying to get settled into school again.

New lonopolian empire

British accia

New Prague Workers Republic wrote:This is a bit of an odd thing but I am just going to state it before I forget and/or get eaten by the new semester; I found some old notes on my planned Constitution changes that got set aside by college. While I will get around to hopefully having everything on the list be at least considered one minor change I would like to see sooner rather than later is the removal of any gendered language as to be more inclusive towards non-binary individuals. I would draft an amendment but I am a bit swamped trying to get settled into school again.

Sooo, that would be, for example, he and she? Would that be simply removing references from the constitution, or actually banning them from being used in the region?

British accia wrote:Sooo, that would be, for example, he and she? Would that be simply removing references from the constitution, or actually banning them from being used in the region?

More or less, and I meant just the Constitution. While Im sure that most of the region's members would be fine with banning gendered language, I'm almost certain there would be some extremely opposed to such measures.

New Prague Workers Republic wrote:More or less, and I meant just the Constitution. While Im sure that most of the region's members would be fine with banning gendered language, I'm almost certain there would be some extremely opposed to such measures.

More than anything I'm intrigued by the proposal. I'm huge linguistics nerd and at first I was confused because in linguistics there's such a thing as grammatical gender (which most romance languages have, like having certain objects have male or female or neutral conjugations) which is a completely different thing than gender in the colloquial sense. Grammatical gender is a quirk of ancient languages personifying objects and psychological gender is a spectrum that people think is a binary). It's a really interesting distinction and a fun topic to debate.

Cuparia wrote:

More than anything I'm intrigued by the proposal. I'm huge linguistics nerd and at first I was confused because in linguistics there's such a thing as grammatical gender (which most romance languages have, like having certain objects have male or female or neutral conjugations) which is a completely different thing than gender in the colloquial sense. Grammatical gender is a quirk of ancient languages personifying objects and psychological gender is a spectrum that people think is a binary). It's a really interesting distinction and a fun topic to debate.

I believe Finnish doesn't have him and her but a neutral word instead. This has affected Finnish-Swedish too, and more recently Swedish. The word has become popular in contexts when the gender is not known, and out of respect when referring to people who prefer neither him not her.

It's interesting how languages keep changing, even basic parts one would have thought were set in stone.

Cuparia

New Prague Workers Republic wrote:This is a bit of an odd thing but I am just going to state it before I forget and/or get eaten by the new semester; I found some old notes on my planned Constitution changes that got set aside by college. While I will get around to hopefully having everything on the list be at least considered one minor change I would like to see sooner rather than later is the removal of any gendered language as to be more inclusive towards non-binary individuals. I would draft an amendment but I am a bit swamped trying to get settled into school again.

Would you favor 'xe', 'ze' or simply they in singular? Would be interesting to see a draft proposal.

Morogravia wrote:Would you favor 'xe', 'ze' or simply they in singular? Would be interesting to see a draft proposal.

I happen to use the singular they, as 'new' gender pronouns have little to no use in my area, at least in the circles I run in.

New Prague Workers Republic wrote:This is a bit of an odd thing but I am just going to state it before I forget and/or get eaten by the new semester; I found some old notes on my planned Constitution changes that got set aside by college. While I will get around to hopefully having everything on the list be at least considered one minor change I would like to see sooner rather than later is the removal of any gendered language as to be more inclusive towards non-binary individuals. I would draft an amendment but I am a bit swamped trying to get settled into school again.

Lol, wtf? There is no gendered language in the constitution.

New Prague Workers Republic wrote:... banning gendered language ... I'm almost certain there would be some extremely opposed to such measures.

And here I am.

British accia, United soviet communist republics, and Hufrankusa

Auven wrote:Lol, wtf? There is no gendered language in the constitution.And here I am.

I will admit I often use the google docs versions of the constitution, which is a bit uh, outdated to say the least and one of them had some instances of 'he'. The only thing that is really left over from old versions is in the conclusion with "friendly community of men and women", which is what I guess my notes were referring to.

New Prague Workers Republic wrote:I will admit I often use the google docs versions of the constitution, which is a bit uh, outdated to say the least and one of them had some instances of 'he'. The only thing that is really left over from old versions is in the conclusion with "friendly community of men and women", which is what I guess my notes were referring to.

I think we can agree as a group to change this to "friendly community of nations". Does anyone object? It would be pointless to send this to a whole Act on its own...

New Prague Workers Republic, Morogravia, and Hufrankusa

New Prague Workers Republic wrote:This is a bit of an odd thing but I am just going to state it before I forget and/or get eaten by the new semester; I found some old notes on my planned Constitution changes that got set aside by college. While I will get around to hopefully having everything on the list be at least considered one minor change I would like to see sooner rather than later is the removal of any gendered language as to be more inclusive towards non-binary individuals. I would draft an amendment but I am a bit swamped trying to get settled into school again.

I'd be very interested to hear some of your ideas. If no-one else in the GA wishes to take them up, I might consider it.

Llorens wrote:I'd be very interested to hear some of your ideas. If no-one else in the GA wishes to take them up, I might consider it.

Most of it is now either completely unnecessary(formalization of the amendment process) or irrelevant(redefinition of the Prime Minister position, which is a can of worms I want to avoid opening for now). The only things that I would even let see the light of day is the A) Simple English version/Summary of the Constitution B) Official Translations of the Constitution and C) if trials do become a thing, a means of ensuring that accused individuals do have a qualified lawyer or similar legal assistance.

Llorens wrote:I think we can agree as a group to change this to "friendly community of nations". Does anyone object? It would be pointless to send this to a whole Act on its own...

My little interjection during my inactivity here. I recommend we don't use that terminology. Not that it's bad but it promotes the idea that we're roleplaying as nations in the region. I came across this problem during the debates where some of the players spoke as themselves while other spoke as representatives for their nation. I don't think it's a major issue but such a statement might lead to confusion among new players. Same goes for referring to people as nations in general. Just my two cents.

United soviet communist republics

New Prague Workers Republic wrote:This is a bit of an odd thing but I am just going to state it before I forget and/or get eaten by the new semester; I found some old notes on my planned Constitution changes that got set aside by college. While I will get around to hopefully having everything on the list be at least considered one minor change I would like to see sooner rather than later is the removal of any gendered language as to be more inclusive towards non-binary individuals. I would draft an amendment but I am a bit swamped trying to get settled into school again.

I am prepared for this to be unpopular, but a move like that strays into the cult of SJW-ism. The term "non-binary" arose in academia (e.g. gender studies courses) and is not related to science whatsoever, and has become a very politically charged phrase. Non-binary individuals seem to confuse gender identity and gender expression, often times for the sake of attention. Not conforming to traditional male or female behavior patterns and roles 100% of the time (which practically no one does anyway) does not warrant the creation of some new gender that is not yet supported scientifically in any way. Personally I have no problem with non-binary folks, but their views are completely based on personal conviction, and not scientific inquiry, whereas transsexuals/transgender people suffer from a proven psychological disorder that can be diagnosed.

And I'm certainly not going to be referring to anyone with some absurd nonexistent pronoun like "xe" or "ze".

British accia, Slavansko, and Faithful columbia

Whilst I understand the rationale of the non-gendered idea, I really don't think a change is needed unless people who don't identify in such a way call for it. I'm not sure if we have people who identify as non-gender in the region (if we do, and you are comfortable expressing yourself as such your views are the ones I would be keen to here), but unless they state they are unhappy with the current language I don't see a problem, I don't think we should just go changing language on a whim. If they identify as non-gendered and are unhappy with it, I'm happy to consider changes. But right now I've heard no such dissatisfaction.

Atealia wrote:My little interjection during my inactivity here. I recommend we don't use that terminology. Not that it's bad but it promotes the idea that we're roleplaying as nations in the region. I came across this problem during the debates where some of the players spoke as themselves while other spoke as representatives for their nation. I don't think it's a major issue but such a statement might lead to confusion among new players. Same goes for referring to people as nations in general. Just my two cents.

OK well people and not nations? I tend to act as though I am a nation, rather than as a person on NS (not in real life thankfully), but I guess I kind of use both depending on the context. Oh well, if a word is going to bother you that much to even write about it and considering I have no opinion on the matter, why not?

Llorens wrote:OK well people and not nations? I tend to act as though I am a nation, rather than as a person on NS (not in real life thankfully), but I guess I kind of use both depending on the context. Oh well, if a word is going to bother you that much to even write about it and considering I have no opinion on the matter, why not?

I meant more that in our government we don't act as nations. To my knowledge you've never presented any important news as though you were representing your nation in government, I know I have not and I've never seen Cedoria do so. Rp is great but so long as our conversations in government and the rmb remain out of character, I'd argue it makes sense to officiate that mentality.

I don't think it's a huge deal I just like to bring up things I think seems odd, my opinion on these subjects can vary as I'm more just attempting to help retain consistentcy, our government is very efficient though so I've rarely ever needed to do so.

Anyway, I gotta get back to work so I'll going. Probably won't get much time to post until I'm back unfortunately, but it looks like things are going well atleast. Best of luck to you all

Llorens

The Overseer of Entertainment Act has passed 16-4. Secretary Cedoria may now select an Overseer of Entertainment for the TLA Civil War roleplay event.

New lonopolian empire and Cuparia

Atealia wrote:-snip-

You return from your police training soon, right? How's that gone?

United soviet communist republics wrote:I am prepared for this to be unpopular, but a move like that strays into the cult of SJW-ism. The term "non-binary" arose in academia (e.g. gender studies courses) and is not related to science whatsoever, and has become a very politically charged phrase. Non-binary individuals seem to confuse gender identity and gender expression, often times for the sake of attention. Not conforming to traditional male or female behavior patterns and roles 100% of the time (which practically no one does anyway) does not warrant the creation of some new gender that is not yet supported scientifically in any way. Personally I have no problem with non-binary folks, but their views are completely based on personal conviction, and not scientific inquiry, whereas transsexuals/transgender people suffer from a proven psychological disorder that can be diagnosed.
And I'm certainly not going to be referring to anyone with some absurd nonexistent pronoun like "xe" or "ze".

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United soviet communist republics

Llorens wrote:You return from your police training soon, right? How's that gone?

Pretty well, I've kind of hit a wall though. SInce my current training is personal and not directed (I will have to attend a RCMP boot camp of sorts but they expect you to be in good condition to begin with hence training personally beforehand) there is only so much I can do, I build well but have a difficult time putting on the needed wait making it a bit difficult to increase muscle mass. As it stands I'm giving it more time and coming back in February due to being halted. Whenever I can continue with progress in the future it will likely be helped with supplements so I'll have more time to spare for other things like Ns and such.

Llorens

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