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Gagium wrote:LCN is cancelled?

More like the UDS is cancelled

I always love watching people b*tch about the 4th on NS instead of actually spending time with their family and friends irl.

I can just imagine them typing in the dark alone while fireworks go off outside.

Terranilian soldiers open the back of a black van and retrieve Andino Cazalla, who is handcuffed and hooded. The man is sent forward towards the Black Division soldiers. The Terranilians then await to take Therúnk from the LNDF.

Lyoa
Creeperopolis

I know Quebecshire already made a post but I'm sort of gonna say something that I've got on my mind. We've had relations with the The Union of Democratic States for three years now. With multiple diplomats and people in their region being in our region's discord over the years. It puzzles me that all these years they never said anything about the "offensive" things said on the server until now. Because I'm sure most of the og's of the LCN remember that back in 2017-2018 our server was more "offensive" than this. I give the LPF a lot of credit because they are constantly working to keep the LCN server free from actual offensive stuff. I don't get how a couple of jokes that are "edgy" are so offensive that you wanna remove our embassy. Where was this rhetoric two or three years ago when you had sort of a legitimate case against it? But now you have nothing but a couple of jokes that are too "edgy". It's quite infuriating to me that all the relations we've had over the years are now being thrown away for things that are so inconsequential when as Greater Sacramento said, there are plenty of NS regions that are legitimately racist, homophobic, etc.

Eminople wrote:I know [nation]Quebecshire[/naton] already made a post but I'm sort of gonna say something that I've got on my mind. We've had relations with the The Union of Democratic States for three years now. With multiple diplomats and people in their region being in our region's discord over the years. It puzzles me that all these years they never said anything about the "offensive" things said on the server until now. Because I'm sure most of the og's of the LCN remember that back in 2017-2018 our server was more "offensive" than this. I give the LPF a lot of credit because they are constantly working to keep the LCN server free from actual offensive stuff. I don't get how a couple of jokes that are "edgy" are so offensive that you wanna remove our embassy. Where was this rhetoric two or three years ago when you had sort of a legitimate case against it? But now you have nothing but a couple of jokes that are too "edgy". It's quite infuriating to me that all the relations we've had over the years are now being thrown away for things that are so inconsequential when as Greater Sacramento said, there are plenty of NS regions that are legitimately racist, homophobic, etc.

They also are saying how if it's a joke it isn't hate speech as if that's wrong but it's true from person to person. What should matter is that the people who are LGBTQ+, African American, Indian, etc. in the region are comfortable and so far no one has really complained. When there was actual hate speech in the region we spoke out against it and it was resolved. But anyways there is a big difference between jokes and unironically being racist, homophobic, etc. I'd also like to see someone on this region in it's current state right now complain about this supposed hate speech. I really do find it weird aswell that they bring it up now as if someone influenced them to or there is some sort of bigger motive behind this.

Terranihil wrote:Terranilian soldiers open the back of a black van and retrieve Andino Cazalla, who is handcuffed and hooded. The man is sent forward towards the Black Division soldiers. The Terranilians then await to take Therúnk from the LNDF.

Lyoa
Creeperopolis

The Black Division thanks the Terranilians and return Andino Cazalla to the nearest airport. From there, he was transported by a Maroto Botín MB-33 helicopter to Tigera military airport to await transport to Creeperopolis.

Quebecshire wrote:Statement from the Office of the Consulate on the Closure of Embassies with The Union of Democratic States

I find it deeply unfortunate that the UDS has chosen to close embassies with us over disagreements with our region's moderation policy. Yesterday, I was contacted by the UDS President about our region's "culture and moderation policy" as well as to see if there were "improvements."

My response was the following,

    Our region has no harmful culture. We have members of all races, backgrounds, and sexualities. We have several government officials of varying ethnic and sexual identities. Harassment and bullying are not tolerated. Discrimination is not tolerated.

    Any unironic, serious, or abusive uses of such words or connotations to them are swiftly met with deletions and warns, leading up to more severe punishments. Rules 4, 6, and 7 most directly address this. The n word in any abusive or hard r usage is not tolerated whatsoever. Neither is the bundle of sticks word.

    The culture you are referring to doesn't exist. We put in regular work to ensure this is a free yet also safe and welcoming environment. I would encourage you to refocus your efforts to the actual pockets of racism and discrimination on this website, which we have consistently stood against.

    While I understand you have nothing but reasonable and pleasant intentions, I can assure you I know my region's culture in a more contextualized way and that the above is accurate.

The President then asked for evidence of us enforcing the prohibition of the uses I mentioned, and I showed him infraction logs from Bones and Lovelton. The President then changed the topic to inquiring the defintion of slurs and asking why joking usage of certain (not all, whatsoever, plenty of terms and usages are not allowed in our region) terms are allowed. They also asked if a moderate policy on the matter would, in my opinion, "breed a community where it's very likely that the use of said slurs will be abused?"

My response was the following,

    1) You asked for evidence, which you were given, and then you just changed the topic.

    2) "a derogatory or insulting term applied to particular group of people." - By your logic, it seems I should punish people for the use of words like moron, regardless of the context and connotation.

    3) No. Because we maintain a community in which abuse, harassment, and discrimination is not tolerated. So not, it wouldn't, in my opinion, because it's diligently regulated.

The President did not respond to me again following that conversation until this afternoon, informing me of a non-negotiable embassy closure. I responded to it with this brief statement,


    I find it deeply saddening and unfortunate that the UDS is more concerned with jestful statements than the legitimately reactionary forces on NationStates, which we have time and again worked against. A partnership of three years is being squandered because you dislike our moderation policy of "as long as it's not abusive or hateful, and the recipient of the language is comfortable with it, we won't punish them."

    Additionally, I find it concerning that the UDS is withdrawing on false pretenses, as hateful behavior is not tolerated here.

Clearly, there is a severe misinterpretation of our policy in the UDS. Harassment and discrimination are not tolerated (rule 6), abusive and unbecoming behavior is not tolerated (rule 7) and otherwise unsafe behavior is not tolerated (rule 4). We have a regional police force specifically set up to enforce these rules a moderation system through our bot to punish repeat offenders. Offending material is taken down.

What is not met with disciplinary action is obviously joking, satirical, and ironic material that is not abusive which the author AND the recipient(s) are comfortable with. If the recipient is uncomfortable and that has not yet been made clear by them, they may DM a government official or use the channel specifically created for reporting infraction-worthy behavior to our moderation team.

The Consulate finds it troubling that this policy is being misinterpreted to such an extent. Hate, flaming, discrimination, and harassment are in no way tolerated. People who walk this line or cross it are given special moderation protocols or met with more severe punishments. Plenty of examples of this can be cited.

The Consulate also finds it to be a lapse in priority that the UDS sees it fit to sever a partnership of over three years over misinterpretations, particularly one with a region that has taken an active role in working against regions that do allow hate and discrimination (specifically the League's operations in opposition to Farkasfalka).

The LCN and UDS have had a beneficial partnership (ranging from defending operations to Secretary-General elections) since the days of FORGE and our military leadership under Andrew du, and I have had a particularly cordial professional relationship with The Noble Thatcherites since the summer of 2017. It is deeply unfortunate that the Phoenix Coalition Administration has chosen to operate on incomplete and misinterpreted information, as well as to allow this historic alliance to go to waste.

That said, we wish the UDS the best in its future endeavours, and would be open to a re-introduction of cooperation, but we nonetheless admit that it seems unlikely if the misrepresentation of our regional culture were to continue and if more effective and understand dialogue were not established.

The Office of the Consulate of The League of Conservative Nations
Chief Consul Quebecshire
Consul Eminople
Consul Terranihil

I am overjoyed to see this action. It reminds me of why our consulate and constitution must remain in place, to protect both the most vulnerable citizens of our region and their allies. I hope that the use of slurs and discriminatory language will end online, and ideas can be discussed without fear of personal attack.
I am gay, but I am not afraid in this region. That is unique.

Eminople wrote:I know Quebecshire already made a post but I'm sort of gonna say something that I've got on my mind. We've had relations with the The Union of Democratic States for three years now. With multiple diplomats and people in their region being in our region's discord over the years. It puzzles me that all these years they never said anything about the "offensive" things said on the server until now. Because I'm sure most of the og's of the LCN remember that back in 2017-2018 our server was more "offensive" than this. I give the LPF a lot of credit because they are constantly working to keep the LCN server free from actual offensive stuff. I don't get how a couple of jokes that are "edgy" are so offensive that you wanna remove our embassy. Where was this rhetoric two or three years ago when you had sort of a legitimate case against it? But now you have nothing but a couple of jokes that are too "edgy". It's quite infuriating to me that all the relations we've had over the years are now being thrown away for things that are so inconsequential when as Greater Sacramento said, there are plenty of NS regions that are legitimately racist, homophobic, etc.

I am an “LCN OG.” I’ve been in this region for close to four years. This community was one of the first I came out in and for times I was ridiculed. Now, we have changed to be more safe and more welcoming. I stand with Quebecshire on this. With hate crimes on the rise, it is imperative that we prevent inflammatory language from endangering both online discussion and personal safety.
I’ve been the victim of hate crimes. I want to be safe online knowing that some post won’t cause an attack on innocent people.
When you attack someone based on an unchangeable fact of their existence, not only do you humiliate a person, you harm reasonable discourse and use fear and intimidation to erode their freedom of speech.

The Lyoa National Police Force grouping carrying Mikel Therúnk arrived in Kalole, where they met with Zatšer Sral and his TAF contingent. There, the LNPF successfully transferred Therúnk to Sral’s forces without incident.

Terranihil

11th Pennsylvania Infantry Regiment wrote:I can just imagine them typing in the dark alone while fireworks go off outside.

F*ck off. Some of us can’t stand fireworks cuz of PTSD. Some of us are following COVID-19 restrictions. Maybe we don’t like fireworks. Maybe the closest thing we got to a friend is in this region. Maybe all of the above.
So why is being healthy pathetic? Taking care of ourselves?
I would like everyone to be their happiest and healthiest, I don’t care if they don’t watch symbolic explosions

Just when I was gonna thank zion for actually being nice and supportive he had to go and ruin it...

The Constitutional Republic of Zion wrote:I am an “LCN OG.” I’ve been in this region for close to four years. This community was one of the first I came out in and for times I was ridiculed. Now, we have changed to be more safe and more welcoming. I stand with Quebecshire on this. With hate crimes on the rise, it is imperative that we prevent inflammatory language from endangering both online discussion and personal safety.
I’ve been the victim of hate crimes. I want to be safe online knowing that some post won’t cause an attack on innocent people.
When you attack someone based on an unchangeable fact of their existence, not only do you humiliate a person, you harm reasonable discourse and use fear and intimidation to erode their freedom of speech.

Yeah, and if you, sac, fandom, or any of the many other minorities we have in the region would have a problem I know you guys would speak up and say something about it and something would be immediately be done about it. And I am proud that our region is safe for people that are minorities, gays, etc and how many of them we have. The region has truly grown from what it used to be. But for some reason the UDS doesn't see that at all and apparently all they care about is "edgy" jokes

Eminople wrote:Yeah, and if you, sac, fandom, or any of the many other minorities we have in the region would have a problem I know you guys would speak up and say something about it and something would be immediately be done about it. And I am proud that our region is safe for people that are minorities, gays, etc and how many of them we have. The region has truly grown from what it used to be. But for some reason the UDS doesn't see that at all and apparently all they care about is "edgy" jokes

They judged us before they even heard our side. Honestly if that's how corrupted that region is gonna be then it's best embassies are closed as I don't wanna have to see another FCN break out

Greater Sacramento wrote:They judged us before they even heard our side. Honestly if that's how corrupted that region is gonna be then it's best embassies are closed as I don't wanna have to see another FCN break out

Less a corruption and more a difference in philosophy. I would argue that it's rather irrelevant to foreign cooperation because of how well regulated our side is, and the caveats to certain allowances, but it's not worth losing sleep on. Thatcher has been amicable through it, though. I think we should just move on at this point.

As the Borg say, “Diplomacy is irrelevant”.

And as the Tholians say, “If you don’t leave in 1.847269 seconds I will blow you up”.

Quebecshire wrote:Less a corruption and more a difference in philosophy. I would argue that it's rather irrelevant to foreign cooperation because of how well regulated our side is, and the caveats to certain allowances, but it's not worth losing sleep on. Thatcher has been amicable through it, though. I think we should just move on at this point.

idk if corrupt was the right word but I meant it more in the sense they had their mind made with something false before they even heard us and yeah agreed

Been on this site since 2013 and I can safely say, we're one of the least racist regions that I've seen/ been in. But whatever, what's done is done.

Greater Sacramento wrote:They judged us before they even heard our side. Honestly if that's how corrupted that region is gonna be then it's best embassies are closed as I don't wanna have to see another FCN break out

I can't see the LCN becoming the FCN, It's much more stable. You've guys already built a pretty stable republic with active members and overall a supportive populace, chief.

The Traditional States wrote:I can't see the LCN becoming the FCN, It's much more stable. You've guys already built a pretty stable republic with active members and overall a supportive populace, chief.

Wasn't talking about here but it's done with

Greater Sacramento wrote:Wasn't talking about here but it's done with

Oh alright, Ill respect that

Sad to know that the UDS has closed embassies with the LCN, as the Ambassador of the League of Conservative Nations to the Union of Democratic States since May 5th 2020 until June 30th 2020, it's shocking to know that they went on to take this drastic measure.

Sacramento

Elections of the Chancellor are getting closer. Currently these are the issues in Greater Sacramento.

Corruption in the School System
Many, especially the youngest voting block of 16-20, have called for inefficiencies to be dealt with in the school system and that School Administration should be dealt with as censorship of corruption and political arguments between teachers and students have taken a damage on the education system.

The Northern Border
As the Paleocahrian reporter exposed the concentration camps in Terranihil many have called for a variety of thing to do.

Aurebeshia
While Aurebeshia is not hated in the country that much many have voiced how powerful they should be but others say that this doesnt concern the Elections

Rapid Urbanization
Urbanization has exploded in the past years with over 50% of the population living the in the 10 largest cities alone. While city living is more efficient the density and possible health concerns could become an issue.

Climate Change and Oil Reliance
The reliance on oil and fossil fuels is something many want to see go away as prices of fuel go up and alternatives such as Hydrogen are becoming cheaper and more available.

Rachel Khadijahdottor (M) (36%)

As a centrist Candidate she has been able to gain the big moderate support typically found in the Middle Class. She stated that she will peruse and continue the goals of the current chancellor which are foreign relations to be increased but not so much that Greater Sacramento is in the loosing position and to continue to make agencies more efficient.

Corruption in the School System: She has said she wants to tackle this issue by issuing resources to allow students to complain and investigate but has herself stated it may be abused by students.

The Northern Border: Generally she supports trying to do what they can without shifting the balance between the TEU and Aurebeshia and "to do everything we can without harming Greater Sacramento"

Aurebeshia: She has stated she will continue Hazlakhi's current motives with it in being cooperative and helping it establish itself

Rapid Urbanization: She stated she wants to fund more public transportation in cities as to allow more spread out cities where people can move from place to place

Climate Change and Oil Reliance: She stated she would want to decrease oil usage but to do it in a way that it doesn't hurt the economy immediately.

Adrian Alqindres (AMZ) (29%)

Alqindres is a moderate right wing candidate which allows him to get support from the middle class and smaller cities such as Chaqaz, Dimashaq, Mecca, and Zahrbad. He said he would like more economic growth and to spend less money on social programs.

Corruption in the School System: He said that balance should be maintained between students and teachers and that the situation should be dealt with on a school district level, not national.

The Northern Border: He said that helping people cross the border, while should be done, is not a priority and that the nation should avoid hostilities with the TEU and that Malgax should be doing more about it's own people.

Aurebeshia: He has called for, since it's creation, for it to stay as an economic council and nothing less and should not involve itself in direct civil affairs with legislation

Rapid Urbanization: He has stated that Urbanization should be slowed down and make the rural areas more livable especially with the labor shortage seen in Andaluzia and Zahr.

Climate Change and Oil Reliance: He said economic priorities are more important and that the Islamic Republic has done enough and blames other nations for not doing enough.

Zinat Bint Mus'ab (AS) (28%)

Mus'ab is a center left candidate and may gain the younger support as well as the larger city support from places such as Ankarabad, Cordoba, Ibrahamshah, and Hejazabad.

Corruption in the School System: She has said student's wills are a priority and that investigations into schools should be made and that its unacceptable that schools, which she said make up the back bone of the Islamic Republic, are behaving like this.

The Northern Border: She said the helping people come to this nation is something we should do as Greater Sacramento has done since it's founding. She said that we must show them the "beauty of Islam" and to accept and help them here.

Aurebeshia: She is a supporter of the organization and hopes it will benefit the world.

Rapid Urbanization: She stated that cities are more efficient than living in rural areas and hopes to see this more in the nation and that they should be growing and wants to direct funding to them

Climate Change and Oil Reliance: She has said "we can only control what we do" and that Greater Sacramento should go without fossil fuel by 2030 at the very most. She has always applauded the legislation passed by the Elected Council to eliminate fossil fuels.

5 July 2020

After the Lyoan Intelligence publicly announced that there's a possibility that the military-led faction of the former Creeperian Government In-Exile is attempting to relocate to the nation, the Karimunese reactions were quite diverse and mostly centered on one-two issues.

Karimunese views themselves as very politically independent and not wanting any foreign intervention to the Government and its people. Since its Federal Proclamation on 17 of August 1945, the Karimunese foreign relations have adhered to a "Free and Active" foreign policy, seeking to play a role in regional affairs commensurate with its size and location but avoiding involvement in conflicts among major powers. According to Muh. Hasan Yudha from Karimun's Center of Strategic and International Studies. "Karimun isn't in a position to have enemies, especially a major power like the Holy Traditionalist Empire of Creeperopolis so I suggest that the Karimunese Ministry of Foreign Affairs have to be smart regarding this, this could help or destroy us."

Maria Tan from the Karimunese National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) comments. "They are human, human has rights, basic rights. NRCH is willing to protect them at any cost and I suggest the Govt to be stern in their position to protect human rights. Hold your promises that you made on your election Mr. President."

A netizen from Kaskus, the Karimunese most popular social media with a username, BachelorNight tweets, "I really don't care about what other people think especially outsiders. We must protect our nation and its people. I suggest that Karimunese government sent them back to their homeland."

A video was viral overnight showing that Tristan Makeerah Satrya, the Chairman of the Patravan Solidarity Foundation (PSF), one of the largest charitable foundation in the country saying, "I wish we could help them [Creeperian], we must welcome them, the Free Creeperian Movement is welcomed here in Patravan." It was controversial since Patravan, one of the largest cities in Karimun is facing its own problem which is drought, the Mayor himself said that Patravan is drier than ever and PSF hasn't helped the drought much.

But from all of the reactions, only one stood up from the rest, a comment from the former Vice Minister of Internal Affairs, Tegar Wibowo. "My biggest concern is the ability of the incumbent government dealing with this, it's not about who support or not support the relocation of the Free Creeperian Movement, it's how the Govt manage it, I mean as an example if they are condemned and denied their entrances to the nation, some people will view the government as a puppet of Creeperopolis and not stern with their position to protect human rights, to protect them from abuse in their homeland while if they are commended and welcomed to the nation, some people will view that the government risking the international relations of Karimun and the safety of its people in foreign nations."

Until now, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs hasn't commented yet neither do the Minister of Defence and the President's office.

Lyoa
Creeperopolis

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