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Banditostania wrote:Ah,and yes. Tell that stuff about good nazis to villagers of Khatyn,Dremlevo,Vyada,Zatishye and othera

I didn't mention nazis in that post, I said that one people can have several separate states. Italians and Germans, for example. And most Montenegrins identified as Serbs until some 15 years ago.

Sveserbia wrote:I didn't mention nazis in that post, I said that one people can have several separate states. Italians and Germans, for example. And most Montenegrins identified as Serbs until some 15 years ago.

Бля,ну то что у вас руководство состояло из дибилов проблема не моя

Sveserbia and Hermes express

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Banditostania

Cutiepatootieville wrote:I a fluffy kitten

*squats nearby*

Cutiepatootieville

Banditostania wrote:*squats nearby*

Mew???

Sveserbia wrote:No he said (and I quote): "Can you imagine a book called 'A directory of great Christians' listing George Lincoln Rockwell as one of us? Or Adolf Hitler?" What he was saying was NOT paranoia, because the guy presented solid evidence, that is BOOKS published by the Jews themselves, not by some nazi/conspiracy theorist, where they openly boast about some of the most notorious communists being Jewish. And nobody even tries to hide that, in fact even Wikipedia says Trotsky was of Jewish origin, as well as Litvinov. And they're not the only ones, there was Yurovsky (chief executioner of the Romanovs), Kaganovich, Sverdlov and a whole buch of others. What, you think the ADL would deliberately lie about their own people being communists?

You're trusting a neo-nazi to tell you "This is what I heard from the Jews!!!!!! They told me these people aren't jews!!!". Do you not realize this is probably a lie. The fact is he's a racist bigot with nothing important to say, and definately good PR for youtube to keep off the site.

Provisional democracy of atlantis wrote:Fascists and nazis spout the same stuff they’ve said since Julius Evola. It’s all fear mongering. And generally nazis and nazi sympathizers debating communists doesn’t always go well for the latter. Žižek, though i disagree with him on literally everything, beat Peterson easily. Peterson who denies the holocaust mind you and for some reason dislikes Trans people because allowing us rights leads to Chaos and disorder somehow.

Also when Nazis debate it isn’t with the intent to actually disprove leftist points. It literally exists just to be a propaganda rally for them. Which is why people like me are much more content with simply shutting down their hate speech. Y’know simply stay home, stop spousing your hate, we’ll have no issues. When you start calling for violence and suppression of rights that’s when we act. Freedom of speech goes both ways. Say what you want, but be ready to back it up.I have a black friend so i can’t be racist. NOI also contains anti-semitic aspects so y’know makes sense that nazis and antismites would get along. Malcolm X also left NOI to become a Sunni Muslim. So... like... Malcolm X’s religious views changed.

See I don't really think shutting them down entirely is the right move. I've always been far more for bringing them in, having them speak and then bringing in a bunch of people to roast them to death afterward.

Tornado Queendom wrote:Just because it was found on BitChute doesn't automatically make it racist, and just because it comes out of the mouth of a Nazi doesn't mean it is a piece of Nazi propaganda.

Did I say anything about BitChute, a website I have never heard of until this link? No. I said this about the guy who in the video said something along the lines of "Is Hitler in the great Christian book of people? No, at least not this century". There is no reason to listen to somebody who lies to build his case.

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Provisional democracy of atlantis

Spodehaven wrote:You're trusting a neo-nazi to tell you "This is what I heard from the Jews!!!!!! They told me these people aren't jews!!!". Do you not realize this is probably a lie. The fact is he's a racist bigot with nothing important to say, and definately good PR for youtube to keep off the site.See I don't really think shutting them down entirely is the right move. I've always been far more for bringing them in, having them speak and then bringing in a bunch of people to roast them to death afterward.Did I say anything about BitChute, a website I have never heard of until this link? No. I said this about the guy who in the video said something along the lines of "Is Hitler in the great Christian book of people? No, at least not this century". There is no reason to listen to somebody who lies to build his case.

There definitely cases of when talking to certain people is the way to go but there are cases were bashing them in the face is the way to go.

There’s a play in the UK where a fascist regime takes over and this factory owner supports the regime while being cruel to his workers. Eventually the workers rise up and Revolution happens. The factory owner’s friend tells him he has to take his money and leave the country, and he says no. And this is where Anti-fascist action kinda comes into place. If you wanna ho home and stop spouting hate or go home and educate yourself, or are even open to eduction (and this has happened before), then great, we don’t have a problem. But if you are die hard, not going to change like Richard Spencer or like Julius Evola or something, well...

Provisional democracy of atlantis wrote:There definitely cases of when talking to certain people is the way to go but there are cases were bashing them in the face is the way to go.

There’s a play in the UK where a fascist regime takes over and this factory owner supports the regime while being cruel to his workers. Eventually the workers rise up and Revolution happens. The factory owner’s friend tells him he has to take his money and leave the country, and he says no. And this is where Anti-fascist action kinda comes into place. If you wanna ho home and stop spouting hate or go home and educate yourself, or are even open to eduction (and this has happened before), then great, we don’t have a problem. But if you are die hard, not going to change like Richard Spencer or like Julius Evola or something, well...

I think this is something that seems like it may work. Punching the nazis on the short term seems agreeable, but for the followers, it simply reinforces their ideology. I think the best way to deal with them in all cases is to have people break them down in ways that are both informative and comedic. Laugh at the ridiculousness of the paranoia against (insert scapegoat group here) while also taking time to break down the opposition with cold, hard facts and stats. I don't want people merely saying "Actually this is the truth" though, instead I want a direct "Actually this is the truth as 55% of.....". Anybody can change, even people like Spencer. Do I think Spencer will change? No, but I think in a method that is calm and collected we can peel off his support which is more important than being rid of Spencer himself.

Has censoring hate speech utterly and punching Nazis worked yet? I'd like to see a study on it. But from my readings, it seems most people managed to get rid of hate and ignorance through calm, collected thought. Take Daryl Davis for example (https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes). This has proven results. Does punching nazis work? I do not know.

Sveserbia

Spodehaven wrote:You're trusting a neo-nazi to tell you "This is what I heard from the Jews!!!!!! They told me these people aren't jews!!!". Do you not realize this is probably a lie. The fact is he's a racist bigot with nothing important to say, and definately good PR for youtube to keep off the site.See I don't really think shutting them down entirely is the right move. I've always been far more for bringing them in, having them speak and then bringing in a bunch of people to roast them to death afterward.Did I say anything about BitChute, a website I have never heard of until this link? No. I said this about the guy who in the video said something along the lines of "Is Hitler in the great Christian book of people? No, at least not this century". There is no reason to listen to somebody who lies to build his case.

Why don't you read the book for yourself? The ADL, The Hilal foundation, the Central Conference of American Rabbis, the Canadian Jewish Congress, B'nai B'rith and a bunch of other Jewish organizations confirmed its legitimacy, not nazis. They didn't know a nazi would use it as evidence against them, they just wanted to make a list of their most significant people so that other Jews could educate themselves about them, which I see no problem with.

Noskination

Banditostania wrote:Бля,ну то что у вас руководство состояло из дибилов проблема не моя

That's my goddamn point, the people are not the problem, it's the traitorous leadership.

Sveserbia wrote:Why don't you read the book for yourself? The ADL, The Hilal foundation, the Central Conference of American Rabbis, the Canadian Jewish Congress, B'nai B'rith and a bunch of other Jewish organizations confirmed its legitimacy, not nazis. They didn't know a nazi would use it as evidence against them, they just wanted to make a list of their most significant people so that other Jews could educate themselves about them, which I see no problem with.

Your point in all this being?

Spodehaven wrote:Your point in all this being?

My original point is that people shouldn't be lazy and shouldn't prejudge, but rather do their own research, at least hear what others have to say and then shape their own opinion based on that, instead of listening to hearsay and letting the mass media tell them what to think. Buuuut it sadly descended into another sh!tshow of an online political argument, of which this hole known as the internet is full of. Oh, and YouTube's algorithms and administration are retarded.

Realm of the neko goddess wrote:Nya! *tackle hugs* How has you been 5!

Was a little mad at my laptop for giving me trouble but otherwise I'm all good.

Realm of the neko goddess

Sveserbia wrote:My original point is that people shouldn't be lazy and shouldn't prejudge, but rather do their own research, at least hear what others have to say and then shape their own opinion based on that, instead of listening to hearsay and letting the mass media tell them what to think. Buuuut it sadly descended into another sh!tshow of an online political argument, of which this hole known as the internet is full of. Oh, and YouTube's algorithms and administration are retarded.

No, they aren't. YouTube removed a nazi. End of story. Seems normal to me. Nazis are bad PR. YouTube needs ads to exist. News story breaks out Youtube is airing nazi content. YouTube loses advertisers and a base of viewers. Lose-lose for Youtube.

And yes I will prejudge. That's what labels are for. If you identify as a nazi I will prejudge you.

Spodehaven wrote:No, they aren't. YouTube removed a nazi. End of story. Seems normal to me. Nazis are bad PR. YouTube needs ads to exist. News story breaks out Youtube is airing nazi content. YouTube loses advertisers and a base of viewers. Lose-lose for Youtube.

And yes I will prejudge. That's what labels are for. If you identify as a nazi I will prejudge you.

Just proves how much of a sheep you are.

Provisional democracy of atlantis

Spodehaven wrote:I think this is something that seems like it may work. Punching the nazis on the short term seems agreeable, but for the followers, it simply reinforces their ideology. I think the best way to deal with them in all cases is to have people break them down in ways that are both informative and comedic. Laugh at the ridiculousness of the paranoia against (insert scapegoat group here) while also taking time to break down the opposition with cold, hard facts and stats. I don't want people merely saying "Actually this is the truth" though, instead I want a direct "Actually this is the truth as 55% of.....". Anybody can change, even people like Spencer. Do I think Spencer will change? No, but I think in a method that is calm and collected we can peel off his support which is more important than being rid of Spencer himself.

Has censoring hate speech utterly and punching Nazis worked yet? I'd like to see a study on it. But from my readings, it seems most people managed to get rid of hate and ignorance through calm, collected thought. Take Daryl Davis for example (https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes). This has proven results. Does punching nazis work? I do not know.

I understand your concern and anti fascists would agree. We do a bit more than just punch people. And I’m all for being wary about putting censorship in the hands of private corporations let alone the state. I think breadtube channels like Shaun do a good job at what you describe. Philosphytube, whether you agree with them or not, add that kind of feeling of Intellectual superiority that people like Ben Shapiro gives, the difference being that Olly gives an actual basis for it. So I understand what you’re saying, and we’re already doing that. It’s just that many of those individuals don’t always want to listen, and it is often hit or miss. Some people will learn and I actually did multiple times in the last week, but it also differs. I don’t doubt people can change, but it comes down to when you’d rather die that give up or change your word view in the face of all other evidence, it comes down to the idea of “I’ll let you die, but I won’t kill you.” Like Capitalist will never peacefully accept communism. Communization is going to be handled by force. Also yeah our idea worked. We’ve been bashing the proud boys into oblivion. (Even after Andy Ngo tried to say “the milkshakes had cement” even tho sugar is a retardant and therefore wouldn’t have any effect... like we know this because anarchists use it in industrial sabotage)

Also you missed the part when the nazi denied the holocaust, the bosnian genocide, lied about the pen Anne Frank used, in the face of the ANP supporting segregation denied it, and basically it was so bad, ME AND THE STALINIST WORKED TOGETHER. That’s as like extreme of the opposite ends of the Auth-Lib axes one can get.

Provisional democracy of atlantis

Sveserbia wrote:Just proves how much of a sheep you are.

Everything about the ANP and Rockwell I disproved and you simply continued to believe nazi pseudoscience and holocaust denial conspiracy theories. If anyone here is the gullible sheep, it’s you for not accepting the facts. The right has been saying the same thing they do now, as far back as the 1890’s when one of the major desires for imperialism and colonialism was with the explicit intent of racial supremacy. I’ve seen these original documents with my own eyes in the library of congress.

Provisional democracy of atlantis wrote:Everything about the ANP and Rockwell I disproved and you simply continued to believe nazi pseudoscience and holocaust denial conspiracy theories. If anyone here is the gullible sheep, it’s you for not accepting the facts. The right has been saying the same thing they do now, as far back as the 1890’s when one of the major desires for imperialism and colonialism was with the explicit intent of racial supremacy. I’ve seen these original documents with my own eyes in the library of congress.

God, you people are hopeless.

Sveserbia wrote:God, you people are hopeless.

You don't belive in the holocaust? Really? Ill tell you a true story, my great grandfathers uncle was part of the Bulgarian resistance. What happened was our German tzar (he was loyal to Germany) joined the axis. However, most Bulgarians did not approve of this, in fact the vast majority did not approve. They made political cartoons, (he was a absolute monarch, it was agaist the law mind you to do that) of him bowing to adolf, they made plays and famoud lines such as Mario fights, while the german eats banichka ( out national delicacy). There were many riots ext. The Bulgarian resistance did many things, but their crowning achievement was stopping Bulgarian jews from getting deportated. Bulgaria and Denmark were the ONLY countries in Europe not to do this that were sided with the nazis. Because of the will of the Bulgarian people, we overthrew the nazi war machine, and a corrupt German tzar. This corresponds to my point. Ive heard these stories passed down, I know theyre true. But dont tske it from me! Are the thousands of survivors of thd holocaust LYING? Did they all get into this conspiracy. Are the nazis OWN records LYING? Ate Are former nazi officials LYING when they confessed. Itd be impossible to do. Uf it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, can we consider the possibility its a duck?

Spodehaven wrote:There is no reason to listen to somebody who lies to build his case.

That's what SJWs do too: they lie about biology to build the case for there being infinite genders

Sveserbia

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