The Coalition of Democratic Nations

The Second Empire of Ascoobis wrote:

Well the RL UN doesn't stop NATO or CSTO from existing.

Here is the document:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B6q9iZWGes6cOUotN1WeDkY7uHh__my0bpwYmBU9d_c/edit

The Second Empire of Ascoobis wrote:

And wouldn't nation using these stations want to know if they were armed to the teeth with offensive weaponry? Come on, this wouldn't fly IRL.

If this 'Project Castle'(still not recognizing it with the whole 'made completely out of unobtainium and there's dozens of them' thing) has weapons on board, this would completely justify Washington's OKBIN and any future ATCO space weapons systems, like Project Valkyrie and Project SOIL.

The Holy Monarchy of Dragomerian Islands wrote:

The Holy Monarchy of Dragomerian Islands wrote:

The Castle Program, funded in part and managed by the Black Dragon Force, the elite and top secret military branch. The Castles house hundreds of various missiles. The Castles were first and foremost designed as enemy suppression weapons. Outside of war, they can be used for civilian purposes.
Just to note, the Paglaum aircraft would only be fired at if they leave Paglaum airspace (as specified in the IC post).
What was Cerma's point?
As long as he does not respond with military force, it is not considered a war, but a blockade, and right now, there are many alternatives to war that he can take, including negotiations with the Empire of Japan. Heck, ATCO could also get into negotiations. Remember, the Empire of Japan promised war if ATCO expands into the West Pacific (multiple times ICly and OOCly). The current situation is the closest thing outside of war that both fits RP precedence and does not break the canon or realism of the prior declarations on the issue.

Were not talking about what 'war' is, you were saying how what you've done is not considered an 'act of war'. You attacked Paglaumian infrastructure and telecommunications with military forces, with the intention to violently force Paglaum to your governments interests. That is an Act of War. Whether Paglaum responds or not is irrelevant from the fact that Dragomeria has commenced an assault on Paglaum via attack his ability to communicate.

And by the UN's definition, you would have violated the charter. As an 'Act of Aggression' in article 3 (c) states: 'The blockade of the ports or coasts of a State by the armed forces of another State.' But I digress.

In all '''''''Realism''''''', however trivial the concept is(EECR), ATCO would have probably declared war once sensors indicated your began firing. However, because we are not moronic we are not wishing to host another ham-fisted and forced war rp with hindsight from the Pacific War RP.

And as Paglaum said, he does not want a war RP so it is useless to even talk about this. He doesn't even have to recognize your blockade if he doesn't want. No nation is under any obligation to follow another nations actions, especially with something as opinionated and trivial as '''''''Realism'''''''

Khumieres

The Armed Republic of Cerma wrote:

If this 'Project Castle'(still not recognizing it with the whole 'made completely out of unobtainium and there's dozens of them' thing) has weapons on board, this would completely justify Washington's OKBIN and any future ATCO space weapons systems, like Project Valkyrie and Project SOIL.

You do realize, it is canonically made of Tungsten, not 'unobtainium., whatever that is. Also, you would not know that weapons are on board until the first time that they are used.

The Armed Republic of Cerma wrote:

Were not talking about what 'war' is, you were saying how what you've done is not considered an 'act of war'. You attacked Paglaumian infrastructure and telecommunications with military forces, with the intention to violently force Paglaum to your governments interests. That is an Act of War. Whether Paglaum responds or not is irrelevant from the fact that Dragomeria has commenced an assault on Paglaum via attack his ability to communicate.
And by the UN's definition, you would have violated the charter. As an 'Act of Aggression' in article 3 (c) states: 'The blockade of the ports or coasts of a State by the armed forces of another State.' But I digress.

The Israelis have been doing that in their blockades and also committing genocide, yet the UN does not consider that as such.

The Armed Republic of Cerma wrote:

In all '''''''Realism''''''', however trivial the concept is(EECR), ATCO would have probably declared war once sensors indicated your began firing. However, because we are not moronic we are not wishing to host another ham-fisted and forced war rp with hindsight from the Pacific War RP.

And as Paglaum said, he does not want a war RP so it is useless to even talk about this. He doesn't even have to recognize your blockade if he doesn't want. No nation is under any obligation to follow another nations actions, especially with something as opinionated and trivial as '''''''Realism'''''''

Actually, the current RP does not apply, as not only would it be non-canon if the UN thing finally progresses, but also this is not a war, so it is not protected under the same precedent. Right now, the situation is stuck between two long-time policies, first is the policy of realism (in such that a nation who has many time prior threatened war if such actions occur) and second is the policy of permission being needed to have wars. Right now, the situation is a blockade, and would not be a war unless Paglaum (the blockaded country) wishes to be in one.

The Grand Empire of Paglaum wrote:

Wilwatikta's Telegraph
Did you know that?...
*Paglaum has the largest number of Zoroastrians in the world, even though they make less than 1% of the population.
*A person on death row can choose between been lighted on fire, hanging, the fire squad, the electric chair, the injection, stoning, and being thrown from a large height to a pool filled with hungry sharks. Most choose the injection. Although stoning and the pool of sharks are in the process of being removed. Being lighted on fire is staying at the petition of those descendants of Ephyral people.
Economic Treaties
After signing a treaty with ATCO, Paglaum has expressed interest in greatly expanding its trade with the ATCO members. This is probably to compensate for any losses that may occur if Japan stops all trade with the nation.
The Empire has also shown great interest in expanding its naval relations with both Ascoobis and Khumieres, in an effort to squash piracy in the Pacific Rim.

IC:
The Imperial Legion (my military force) has as well expressed interest in doing naval exercises with your navy.

OOC:

What do you have for trade? Here's a factbook of my resources.

nation=khumieres/detail=factbook/id=675342