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This is really the only region I know where government officials always want to actively meddle in the rp without them even participating.

How come?

Saint Alban Islands wrote:This is really the only region I know where government officials always want to actively meddle in the rp without them even participating.

How come?

Well, as I've said, we're ready to defy the law if needed. So whatever they do, if we don't want it, we don't want it.

Bois, I would like to announce that I am suing Marv for heresy. He disregarded Godsinia and refused to join the #FlameGang. Shame!

Snowflame wrote:Bois, I would like to announce that I am suing Marv for heresy. He disregarded Godsinia and refused to join the #FlameGang. Shame!

I did join #FlameGang tho :(

Official Campaign Announcement

What's something we can all agree is terrible? The Thaecian Senate!

That's right. It barely debates bills, it only just has enough active members to achieve quorum, and its been like this for months. Something has to change.

That is why I'm going to become a Senator - to sort the place out. I have some bold ideas for reforms that will improve the quality of debate and the levels of activity in Thaecia's Congress by stripping power from the Senate. Chief amongst them is unicameralism, which will remove the incapable Senate entirely. But I do have some other ideas for reform as well. Check them out in my official campaign dispatch:

Fishergate for Senate

About Me


An Experienced Leader

Three terms in Congress, four months in government.

I have spent six months as a legislator in Thaecia’s House of Commons, including four months as the chamber’s Speaker. Additionally, I have served for one four-month term in government as Thaecia’s Interior Minister. This experience has given me a vast understanding of Thaecia’s political system, especially of its problems and how we can fix them.


A Committed Contributor

12 months a Thaecian, never an absentee.

I have been in Thaecia for a whole year and throughout that time I have been an active member of our political society. I never missed a vote during my six months in Congress and I always endeavour to keep in touch with as many Thaecians as possible. I will never let the voters down by being inactive.

My Policies


Ambitious Reform

Thaecia needs some fresh ideas. I have plenty to offer.

Thaecia’s political system is tired. Congress is rarely able to remain functional for a whole term, which often leaves the executive branch high and dry, unable to make reforms without a legislature to pass them. As a Senator, I will push for a number of reforms to help improve the productivity of Thaecia’s legislative system:

  • Unicameralism: Thaecia needs to finally hold its unicameralism referendum. If this is successful, I will help lead the reforms and legislative processes needed to implement a single-chamber Congress that works for Thaecia.

  • Senate reforms: My first choice is to abolish the Senate. But if the voters reject unicameralism, I will instead focus my effort on reforming the Senate. The current bicameral system is a mess of randomly distributed powers. As a Senator I will push to take powers away from the Senate and transfer them to the House of Commons, establishing a clear legislative hierarchy in which the Senate will serve as a check and balance without exercising its own unique powers. As part of this reform I would support a redistribution of seats, increasing the size of the House and decreasing the Senate.

  • House of Commons reforms: Whether it will be the senior chamber in a bicameral system, or the sole chamber of a unicameral one, the House ought to be reformed. I will support the adoption of legislative committees in the House, which will be made more plausible by increasing the size of the chamber. Committees will promote greater scrutiny of legislation and give MPs more opportunity to influence bills, which will encourage activity. They will also help productivity by allowing the House to work on several different bills or hearings simultaneously in the various committees, while the House as a whole can focus on bills that have passed the committee stage.


Pragmatic Politics

Democracy does not work without compromise. I won’t shy away from it.

I realise that my proposed reforms will not be popular with everyone, and I do not expect to get my way with everything. For this reason, I will be eager to work with any other legislators, government ministers, or members of the public to find a common ground. Some reform is better than no reform, so while I appreciate there may not be a majority of support for unicameralism or for taking powers away from the Senate, I am optimistic that Congress will be able to find compromises that take us in the right direction. I will never turn my back on those who disagree with me.

Endorsements


My Endorsements

The following is a list of candidates I would like to see elected in February/March 2020

President:
Islonia (IND)

Prime Minister:
Korsinia (TPU)

House of Commons:
Rayekka (PP)
Tengjiang (IND)
Zon island (UNI)
Zanaana (PP)
The Marconian State (TPU)
United Cascadian Peoples (SPT)

Senate:
Snowflame (PP)
World Trade (PCT)


Endorsing Me

The following is a list of Thaecians who have endorsed me for election to the Senate.
(Feel free to let me know if you want to be added to this list)

Zon island MP, Chief Welcome Officer
World Trade, Senate candidate
Zanaana, House of Commons candidate
Pap Sculgief, House of Commons candidate
United States of Edingbridge, former Electoral Commissioner

Read factbook

As I've joined the campaign quite late, I unfortunately missed the first couple of debates. With this in mind, I encourage anyone to send me their questions and I'll answer them in a public forum. Like my own mini-town hall.

I also encourage anyone who wishes to endorse my campaign to send me a message letting me know.

Thank you all for your time, now lets go fix our legislature!

#FishergateForSenate #AmbitiousReformPragmaticPolitics

Islonia wrote:grrr don't play with the words or I remove you your Princess status

Lmao my identity has been leaked

Islonia wrote:

Boo 😛

Daily reminder that I am running for the Presidency. Our last executive candidates promised us to rebuild the region. While we can argue if they succeeded or not, the state of the region is still shameful. A crawling legislative, our main major parties braindead, an inactive Head of State and some foreign problems. My counterpart even had the audacity to make false statements about my character in his campaign platform he perfectly knew were false. Of course, he removed it after criticism and pressure, but the question is why put this in the platform in the first place? This was a low blow, he agreed on that; the second we pressed him to remove it he did. Without even defending his thoughts. Would it be worth voting for him knowing this?

Furthermore, he proposes himself as a person over partisan politics, working with everyone, tied to these "new players" in the Thaecian political game. Can we consider this a good reason? Is not the position for which we are running supposed to be over the politics and here? How is he supposed to "make the region better", when his policies only are additions, and he did not present us his attentions to fix Thaecia's wounds?
- As Cerdenia told us, few actually care about the other's people work in the legislative. Even I could not tell a major part of what was voted.

- Secondly, his Civil List idea is completely and utterly useless. He sure took it from a region where it may work, but here, we do not need a list for the residents to take part in the government. When someone wants to participate in the executive, they simply contact the minister, and on the opposite when a minister needs help, they make a TG & Discord announcement.

- Thirdly, he openly said another false thing in his campaign platform I discovered yesterday night. "Thaecian Unions. Not political parties, but unions. Having been here for over a year, it has become clear that there is no way for special-interest groups to form a good defense against decisions that might hurt or affect their communities. One example of this happening is the handling of the Roleplay Department. All due credit to Islonia on that, by the way, but the decisions made by the government often leave that community reeling, either from interferences, or something else." First, his union ideas could flop due to the nature of NS, even if we can find it interesting, there is a little chance of re-creating lobbies in this game. Then, apparently, the Roleplay Community is "reeling" either from interferences or apparently some unknown thing we don't know will happen. Well, Titanne, I'd like to know where you got this. Because the Roleplay is doing perfectly fine, and no interference problem happened. Moreover, you perfectly know that the roleplay community is capable of rejecting a Thaecian law interfering in it if they deem it unfair and stupid; even if it was voted by both chambers.
The idea of unions in itself isn't bad, and we can even find a way to adapt it in NS. After all, here the roleplay is represented by me & Brototh when it comes to outside interference. We do not need "union" but as the President or even a simple citizen, you could represent one part of the electorate. Because ideas are not the same, and one union, let's say a diplomatic one, for example, would have problems lobbying the congress if you have different ideas within it.

The deeper you think about it, and more you see Titanne's idea as to how he presents it isn't viable in its current state. In theory, it's a great idea, but in practice, it is not viable.
- Fourthly, reports are indeed a good idea. But, Titanne, you forget that you are not in discord, and if we need one area to reproach you for this, it's in the weekly reports. How will you make sure everything is ready? Enforcing your decree over this, helping when people struggle, say this could be done differently? Weekly reports are a nightmare to do because it is hard to keep everything up-to-date. And for this task, we need YOU to do that, not Antenion. This is the only problem I can reproach you for not having discord.

- Fifthly, I would like to end on a lighter argument. "I’ve fought for what’s best for the region instead of what’s best for me". You did not. No one does. Anyone holding an office will always fight for the idea he thinks is the best for the region. But in the end, it often isn't.

This big message isn't a low blow or a personal attack. I am just attacking Titanne's character and campaign in the Presidential Race. He was even informed beforehand that such post was coming. :)
Now, let's wait and see how he responds. 🤗

Ping: Titanne

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My campaign is listed down below. If you have any question/critic/comment/whatever, I'm only one TG/Discord DM away! And of course, remember to vote for me (or Titanne, but more me) #Avance #TeamIslonia #AvanceWithIslonia #IsloniaPourLaPrésidence !

Islonia for President

Some words
Most of you already know me. Either as Roleplay Secretary, Associate Justice, Member of any of the Thaecian Ministries or just little rant guy. I'm Islonia, here since March-April 2019. I've stood for a long time outside Thaecian Politics, joining the dramas and RMB fires to either stop them or point some facts that seemed completly idiotic and impossible for a healthy democracy this region wishes to achieve.
I am and will be an independent in this region for long, as I see the need for political parties useless because of how they function and how this democracy gives them a place. I openly and several times said I hate the idea of a political party. And here I am, standing as a candidate for the Thaecian Presidency! 🙂
Campaign Platform


Islonia

I'm running on several points that are important to me and my partners. Some are important reforms I'd like to keep to a certain moment if I win this election. But I hope I will be able to make all of them pass. If not, you'll see me running for another term. :P


1. Removing the official recognition of Political Parties. I define a political party as a group of people centered around a similar view on various subjects. Problem is that political parties now Represent more themselves than the citizens (In general). Here in Thaecia, we fixed this by going back on Individual Voting. Problem is that the Executive still has the power to recognize or not a political party as an arbitrary tradition. This is not the PM or the President's job to recognize any group as a political party. The only person that can recognize political parties in the Electoral Commissioner for its fancy graphics during elections. Because don't say you don't like Terentius' pictures or I personally take a trip to your home and remove your nation.

Political parties may exist, but they must be independent of government. This means that the political affiliation of all members of the executive must be removed from the government factbook and the "List of Political Parties" must be deleted. The only person who has the right to recognize a group as a political party is the electoral commissioner.

The executive exists to keep the region running, growing and having fun. Its work is not based on a specific ideology, but on a mix of ideas from all sides. On the contrary, the legislature has a myriad of ideologies fighting over which law and why it is good or not for the region.

2. Removing the WA Center & the President Office Staffs. The WA Centre and the staff of the President's Office were established by Xernon as the presidential administration and were entrusted with several tasks. Both of these programs died under Xernon's inactivity. And, since I have my own idea of the presidential administration that will be explained under this paragraph, I do not intend to keep the old system set up by our President.

3. Merging the Prime Minister and President's Administration. I do not see the point of the Prime Minister and the President, two executive posts acting as Head of Government and Head of State, having different administrations. Of course, the President is in charge of the affairs of the WA, but this can be done by a sub-section of the same administration. Furthermore, we need a united executive and not two "governments" acting as the executive. Because at present, the Prime Minister and the President are only what we criticize the bicameral legislature for.

4. Reforming the Executive into a Semi-Presidential / Presidential System. It's a sensitive issue. Be sure to read it several times if necessary.

I want to reform the executive into a system where the president has more power. Because at present our President with few sovereign powers, we could compare this position with that of the President of Germany. Apart from that, it is a symbolic position with influence and respect. That is all.
That's why I want to change our executive system in two (or more, our working group has just thought about it, so it's a new idea subject to change) possibilities :

- A semi-presidential system: The president is elected, and the prime minister will be chosen by the president and then confirmed by Congress. This is a variation of the French S-P system where the President chooses the Prime Minister by a majority of Congress, which we cannot do here because of our bicameral system where our two chambers have very similar functions and powers.

- A presidential system: The President and the Prime Minister are elected on the basis of a ticket. This means that instead of having two elections, we only have two in one.

In both systems, the President accepts/rejects the ministerial appointments of the Prime Minister, has the power to appoint judges and represents Thaecia internationally as a true head of state.

5. Opposition to Interregional Organisations. Interregional organizations are not something Thaecia is interested in. After the failure of the AoR and the current thinking on interregional organizations, I hardly see the region joining another type of organization like this one. However, I do support embassies that communicate with the regions, that have people we know or with whom we have cultural and historical ties. For the same reason, I am opposed to the idea of "friendship treaties", which I find silly. If you want a region to be your friend, all you have to do is exchange cultures and organize events together. The Force& N-Day are perfect examples of this.

6. Creation of Legislative Commissions. I WILL ONLY PUT THIS IN PLACE IF UNICAMERALISM WINS THE REFERUNDUM

It takes time to debate a law. To read and debate its amendments, to vote on it. Sometimes Congress can spend a lot of time on a single bill for a number of reasons. That's normal, we need time to make sure we have the best possible bill before we vote on it. Our Congress is not fast and usually because one chamber is much faster than the other. We have seen this many times before.
A Legislative Commissions is a commission created to read and debate all proposed amendments to the law before the law itself passes through a chamber. This can lead to debates where the amendment is either discarded, modified or remains unchanged.

The way I think it would work is that 3-4 members of the Chamber come together and discuss the amendments and the law itself. If they wish, they could be joined by citizens who would like to have a say in this legislation. At the end of the discussion, one of those present will act as rapporteur and will give the chamber debating the said law a brief summary of the discussion between the parties.

Therefore, the chamber debating this law will obtain any consensus-amendment or agreement between the partners before debating it. Citizens will even be able to express their ideas if any of them wish to participate in the discussion. In this way, the legislator will take less time to debate on NationStates (which takes a lot of time) something debated before the session.

The commissions would meet on discord in a channel that every resident can see but where only commission members can speak.

7. Terentiland for the Electoral Commission. Our current electoral commissioner has proven his ability to manage our elections. It is a job he has done to perfection. I am pretty sure that the majority of citizens agree with this appointment, so I do not need to explain this argument any further. :)


My Working Group

Islonia's working group walking down the street

These are the people I worked with for my platform and ideas. I'd like to thank them for accepting to work together to find policies for the future of our region!

Special Mentions to these two who went AFK but are in the group:

And Special Special Mention to Terentiland for the grammar & wording.


Why am-I running?
Thaecia needs an active president. Whoever he is. However, we can't have anyone as president. The presidency is an influential and respected position in Thaecia. Because of its lack of sovereign powers, it has a tiny and huge range of functions that it can have, which means that it depends only on what the elected individual wishes to do. I wish to be a president who will work closely with the Prime Minister's administration, which will not hesitate to crack down on any poisonous politics as I have done in the past. I hope to represent Thaecia internationally as I have done in the past in a private capacity. Finally, I wish to revive the aggressive recruitment program that we had in the past; but, in order to do so, I will need your help.

Why choosing these reforms?
NationStates is a game. That means we're supposed to have fun playing it. Keep doing the same thing and you'll find the game boring. That's why I'm not against unicameralism and even for it. We have tested bicameralism, so why not try unicameralism? Same system for the executive. We have tested an elected PM and president, so why not try something new?

Read factbook

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This being said, here is a reminder to participate in this regional census:

Saint Ryvern, Aexodius, Korsinia, Bigtopia & I made this census to know more about the region's residents on both NationStates & IRL. We encourage all residents to vote to allow for the poll to be representative of the region as a whole. Of course, and as always, troll answers will be removed.

Here it is: https://forms.gle/eN1WTKrc3Hu4i4SLA

To point one: Yes. That was a dick move of me. A mistake. I’m admitting it. If we didn’t forgive people for their mistakes, where would we be? I mean come on now. My response to your pressing me actually works in my favor. I don’t want to waste my and your time defending an action we both know was a bad idea. I’m not going to pretend that the reaction makes up for the action, but it does show that I can put things behind me. I know when I’m wrong. I’m not afraid to say it, either. Honesty is a critical component of any candidate. As for the other point, on fixes: we need new programs to fix a system that normally works: Unions will undercut the powers of political parties, and in turn lower tension. A civil list will help spread the wealth and get new people involved. My other proposals will perform similar tasks.

To point two: The explanation you’re giving is actually the exact opposite to the purpose that a civil list would serve. If a minister needs help, they go there. Not a citizen looking for work. It would serve as sort of like that online resume service, where employers (the government and maybe news organizations) can look at good prospects for openings or contract works. And this would just serve as an expansion to your second example.

To point three: Oh, good. The unions. I’m glad you brought it up. I will stress this a million times. This is a bare-bones idea. I haven’t drafted a bill yet. I haven’t worked out all the kinks. But there is a way to do it. As for the Roleplay point. From what I can tell there has been a bit of strife in the RP. Of course not at the moment, but when I was on the Discord the whole place was in chaos. And from what I understand it was NOT the only time. And I do wonder how much time you’ll be able to devote to the RP if you become president. Some change is inevitable, and no change comes without some sort of strife. Brototh, this union would leave the roleplayers more in their own hands than ever before. I’m going to leave it alone by enshrining in law the rights of the roleplayers. A union would help build a consensus on those issues. A union counteracts the petty needs of most political parties and politicians (including me and you) and fights for specific needs.

To point four: I don’t understand why reports have to be on Discord. Sure, Antenion could re-post it there but the original copy will always go out via regional telegram.

To point five: I don’t understand how this is a good argument. You said yourself that no-one could do it. Where does the heck does that leave you?

World Trade wrote:It's against NS code to maliciously edit comments. I know this is a joke, but just be aware.

thanks for the heads up, totally wasnt going to rig the election on anything
0_o

Titanne wrote:snip

To point one: I know that. I just wanted to question you on why you did that in the first place, especially if you knew it was false.
Then, why the need for such things? Unions will not directly undercut the power of political parties, because the way you present them (and how we understand its practice) makes us think of some sort of lobby united for one and same thing, which is actually not the case. When it comes to the civil list, I don't understand the "spread the wealth" argument. As for getting new people involved, we only need to get the welcoming & counseling departments on this. That's their job, after all, get new people involved.
To point two: Problem is that sure residents can put their names on such a list, but, is there really a need for that? When a ministry, a department, an office or a non-governmental organization needs more people, they simply do an announcement. This would not change even if this Civil List exists, because people in it may not want to do such work. Except if you plan on doing an extremely expansive detailing of what person on the list is available to do some work, keeping the old system is better. I think you really need to explain this idea now because it seems really confusing at the moment.

To point three:When you were on discord, we were in the middle of complete reforms & the passage into season 3. I can assure you that season 5 also suffered some launching problems at the beginning, it's normal. And for the RP, I already have a large staff performing tasks from rule enforcement, economy management to technology integration & plenty of other things. I'm only here to do the same things and act as a tie-breaker. :)
As for creating a union for the roleplay, I'll tell you right now: there's no use. A huge portion of the roleplay does absolutely not care about anything happening in the political game, for the citizens. Only Brototh & I do actually. Some others like Rhyssua care but don't take part in the political gameplay. So it is completely useless to create one.

Moreover, as I've said before, any union (outside the roleplay) would face problems such as different opinions, with maybe some agreeing with what the legislator do and some not agreeing. I know you said that this isn't even in the draft phase, but if so, why presenting us this idea? Why would we vote for theoretical policies?

Don't get me wrong, this idea can be great, depending on how it is done. if we take a look at our working group (basically the people who helped in writing my platform and who support these ideas), such thing created for several topics could turn more into some sort of debate checkpoints about one main issue (Example: as you said, diplomacy). But again, we face the problem that you no having discord is. That's why I have problems to envisage how this would work.

To point four: Every ministerial job is done on discord, that's what I wanted to explain to you by saying this. That you and your activity won't be able to be behind the PM's administration to oversee such a process.

To point five: I just wanted to correct something in your platform. It's not a real argument against you, just a comment on your wording and what it reflects on your character. :P

Titanne wrote:I’m going to leave it alone by enshrining in law the rights of the roleplayers.

That's just populist talk, currently realistically speaking the roleplay can only be regulated by the government if a law is passed regulating it. The idea that we can make a law to protect it makes no sense, seeing as if there was majority support to regulate it (and there was no protection) a law would be passed regulating it, while if there was protection in law anyone wanting to regulate it would just repeal the law and get the regulations through anyway.

Cerdenia wrote:That's just populist talk, currently realistically speaking the roleplay can only be regulated by the government if a law is passed regulating it. The idea that we can make a law to protect it makes no sense, seeing as if there was majority support to regulate it (and there was no protection) a law would be passed regulating it, while if there was protection in law anyone wanting to regulate it would just repeal the law and get the regulations through anyway.

^ And this.

Has someone admitted Titanne to an insane asylum yet?

North Eastern Cheshire wrote:Has someone admitted Titanne to an insane asylum yet?

Excuse me?

Who are YOU to talk, USE?

Titanne wrote:Excuse me?

Who are YOU to talk, USE?

Right lets go there, all you have done is try to intrude on the RP with ZERO knowledge of how it works. And if you want to discuss your issues with me, I'm more than happy to do so.

North Eastern Cheshire wrote:Right lets go there, all you have done is try to intrude on the RP with ZERO knowledge of how it works. And if you want to discuss your issues with me, I'm more than happy to do so.

I literally want to leave the Roleplay to the roleplayers.

And I don’t particularly feel like debating issues right now, because I’m sick, tired, and overworked. What I WILL say is that you’re not one to talk. You once told me and Cerd that our court case was libel. You ran the E.C. into the ground, thank GOD we had Terentiland to clean up your mess. You left the region over an issue you weren’t even involved in. I’m hardly the insane one.

Titanne wrote:I literally want to leave the Roleplay to the roleplayers.

And I don’t particularly feel like debating issues right now, because I’m sick, tired, and overworked. What I WILL say is that you’re not one to talk. You once told me and Cerd that our court case was libel. You ran the E.C. into the ground, thank GOD we had Terentiland to clean up your mess. You left the region over an issue you weren’t even involved in. I’m hardly the insane one.

I left the E.C. because Xernon had made me feel unable to continue in that job, he even REJECTED my nominating Terentiland as the Deputy Commissioner. I worked my flaming socks off in the E.C. and whats more, you didn't see how overworked it made me, so get off of your high horse already. Was the mess that happened at the time of my leaving a contributing factor? Yes it was. It almost ruined me. I have spoke to few in Thaecia about this but I may as well do now. I had serious mental health issues in January and it is people like YOU who made it worse with their cavalier attitude demanding things from me, not accounting for potential irl factors in my life.

North Eastern Cheshire wrote:I left the E.C. because Xernon had made me feel unable to continue in that job, he even REJECTED my nominating Terentiland as the Deputy Commissioner. I worked my flaming socks off in the E.C. and whats more, you didn't see how overworked it made me, so get off of your high horse already. Was the mess that happened at the time of my leaving a contributing factor? Yes it was. It almost ruined me. I have spoke to few in Thaecia about this but I may as well do now. I had serious mental health issues in January and it is people like YOU who made it worse with their cavalier attitude demanding things from me, not accounting for potential irl factors in my life.

USE. I never, never, ever, want anybody to have mental health problems because of this site or myself. I’m going to leave the topic alone due to that last sentence in your post. That does not mean I’m done with this topic, but for now I’m going to let it be, because despite disagreeing with you on almost everything, I recognize that you are a human being. Good night to you.

And this concludes the second Presidential Debate of Thaecia.

Thank you for tuning in

The Bigtopia wrote:And this concludes the second Presidential Debate of Thaecia.

Thank you for tuning in

No I’m just waiting to respond until can be sure I’m coheret and once the coughing subsides. 😂😂😂

Who's watching the Democrat Debate tonight?

reading through 76 messages for one mention

Rhyssua wrote:reading through 76 messages for one mention

????

Maymanatob wrote:...

Welcome! As you can see we've got a pretty great political gameplay here XD

Hahaha very funny

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