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Indian Empire wrote:Global Average Temperature from 1880-2018: http://www.jhelvy.com/uploads/2/8/6/9/2869377/noaa-global-preview_orig.png
Global Carbon Emissions from 1900-2014: https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/styles/large/public/2017-04/fossil_fuels_1.png

and you're telling me there isn't a correlation between carbon emissions and climate change?

Possible solutions to the problem:

-Regulate Carbon Emissions. Quite funny, actually, the GOP used to believe in this and actually supported measures doing exactly this before Obama became President. (SOURCE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzDjjUAt3zc )
-Plant more trees. This is quite inefficient since we would need more trees and one individual tree at a time wouldn't have much impact. Even if we did plant more trees we would still need to use the first idea in the following decades because these trees would need to actually grow.
-Actually do our part in the Paris climate agreement- because we are leaders and we should lead by example. The US, China, and India are pretty much the three biggest world polluters, making up essentially half of all world carbon emissions. By cutting ours, others are sure to do the same thing. Even then we would need to use the original idea of regulating/eliminating Carbon Emissions to attain this goal.
-Build factories that emit CO2 on Mars. Okay, this is too far out now- but might actually be a serious idea long term if we want to terraform mars, where if we plant trees on mars with the factories we could thicken the atmosphere and release oxygen at the same time. :P

Next, we would need to look into where these carbon emissions in the United States are coming from. Three quarters of allCarbon Emissions in the United States come from three main industrial sectors: Transportation (28%), Electricity (28%), and Industry (22%). (SOURCE: https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/styles/medium/public/2018-03/total_ghg.png )

To cut carbon emissions by about 75% in the United States, usage in these three prongs would need to be primarily tackled first. Let's look at each individually:

Electricity- we need to move on from coal, natural gas, and other non-renewable power resources. These resources are projected to run out within about 100 years anyway, so we would have a problem sticking with these long term regardless of whether they are causing climate change or not. It's better to reduce and eventually eliminate our use of these sources rather than dealing with an energy crisis down the line. President Obama's "Clean Power Plan" enacted by the EPA in 2015 would have cut the use of carbon pollution by 30% by 2030, per his statistics anyway. It would also increase investment in renewable sources such as wind and solar power. I think wind would be a nice go-to, seeing that it booms out west and there are initiatives to build farms of wind turbines out to sea. I believe it would bring a competent amount of power without the same "clutter" many recognize with wind turbines or the same pollution problem from coal & natural gas. California also has a new law requiring solar panels on the roof of every newly built home. Given that California is one of the sunniest areas in the country and possibly the world, this should generate a lot of power for them.

Transportation- we need to eliminate emissions from vehicles. Currently, we don't really have a good way to do this- gas powered cars come from polluting sources, emitting smoke as CO2 into the air when burned by the motor. Electric Cars aren't entirely a solution as it stands either- you are simply moving your power source from the gas pump to a coal factory. (SOURCES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQLbakWESkw and https://www.trutv.com/shows/adam-ruins-everything/blog/adams-sources/adam-ruins-going-green.html )
The best ways to reduce our transportation carbon footprint currently are: travelling public transport, carpooling, walking or biking when possible, etc. In this sector, not much can be done to reduce carbon emissions until emissions in the industrial and electrical sector are addressed.

Industrial- This seems to be the sector that gets the most attention in the climate change debate. I imagine this used to be a much larger sector of emissions but has declined over time due to the movement of the American economy away from industrial jobs and towards jobs in service. Regardless, it still produces twice the emissions of commercial & residential in general, so it's still a large enough sector to need to address. Factories emit pollution, and we need to address that. One of the primary ways to do this would probably be to push towards powering factories with renewable energy. This hinges on attacking the usage of coal and natural gasses as power, and on eliminating these as power sources. We would need to start here with strict regulations, requiring a yearly energy audit to hone down where the factory is wasting power, requiring yearly inspections to seal places where power could escape, and overall using this to make factories more power efficient, thus minimizing the carbon footprint.

Point is: Global Warming/Climate Change is real- and all the main solutions lead back to doing something to cut carbon emissions in numerous sectors of the American Economy. Even if you do not believe in climate change, despite the overwhelming evidence suggesting so, it is for the better to move away from non-renewable resources such as coal & natural gas before these resources run out entirely. And the entire solution to doing this revolves around regulations and initiatives to make the American Economy Greener. President Obama made progress with this, working on things such as the clean climate plan and the Paris Climate Accord. While neither of these were entirely perfect, they were steps in the right direction. And what did President Trump do to them, you might ask? He got rid of them- which effectively places us back at square one. Being 12 years out from this trend being completely irreversible per IPCC reports (SOURCE: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/08/global-warming-must-not-exceed-15c-warns-landmark-un-report ), it is frankly disgusting that Trump wants to send us back to square one tackling this problem because a few corporations got pissed off about it.

I didn't say humans were not at fault for some changes in the climate I merely stated that no matter what we do the seas will rise and fall back down the planet will get hot then cool back down. Climate changes happen all the time despite the presence of humanity.

IE, you really need to include a TL;DR section on some of your posts. :)

No one needs has anything to fear about the Ozone Layer for The Real UN™ has just declared "Earth’s ozone layer is healing"...

https://www.statesman.com/zz/news/20181105/more-protection-un-says-earths-ozone-layer-is-healing

Indian Empire wrote:Global Average Temperature from 1880-2018: http://www.jhelvy.com/uploads/2/8/6/9/2869377/noaa-global-preview_orig.png

So what. How do you explain the fact the earth was hotter than it is now just before Jesus was running around in tennis shoes?

Indian Empire wrote:Global Carbon Emissions from 1900-2014: https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/styles/large/public/2017-04/fossil_fuels_1.png

and you're telling me there isn't a correlation between carbon emissions and climate change?

Yup. Unless you can explain that that part about the earth being warmier several times in the past.

Indian Empire wrote:-Regulate Carbon Emissions. Quite funny, actually, the GOP used to believe in this and actually supported measures doing exactly this before Obama became President. (SOURCE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzDjjUAt3zc )

Going to have to do better than YouTube for a source. I've been a Republican supporter since the Clintons were in office. I damn sure don't remember any but a tiny number of RINO's that ever considered more regulations a good idea.

Indian Empire wrote:-Plant more trees. This is quite inefficient since we would need more trees and one individual tree at a time wouldn't have much impact. Even if we did plant more trees we would still need to use the first idea in the following decades because these trees would need to actually grow.

Actually, I'm ok with this. But that leads us to another question. How can all this CO2 be bad when all things that are green require it to survive? Watch what you wish for lad, you might get it.

Indian Empire wrote:-Actually do our part in the Paris climate agreement- because we are leaders and we should lead by example. The US, China, and India are pretty much the three biggest world polluters, making up essentially half of all world carbon emissions. By cutting ours, others are sure to do the same thing. Even then we would need to use the original idea of regulating/eliminating Carbon Emissions to attain this goal.

Complete nonsense. Thousands of people fall for Nigerian scams every month as well. Using your logic we should all publish our bank account info in Nigeria. I find it hard to believe you are so naive as to believe that if we do it, everyone else will. The world doesn't work that way. Never has.

I have to ask what leads you to believe that China is going to do anything that will impede their goals of world domination regardless of what we do? I had crews over there for the olympics. The Chinese shut down factories, stopped all non essential vehicles from driving and the air pollution was still so bad, people were getting sick.

The fact is that Obama's war on coal actually placed the US power grid in a very precarious position. By forcing coal fired plants, many of which are in the northeast and around he rust belt, without other capacity to replace that electricity left the northeastern grid running at 98% capacity. That means we are one glitch away from a cascading blackout that will take the entire northeast from Chicago up into Maine down for days while engineers slowly bring it back up one small piece at a time.

Oh yeah, those electric bills people are howling about? EPA regulations forced these coal fired plants to install air scrubbers by 2014. All these plants were retrofitted with billions of dollars worth of airscrubers that had them running almost as clean as a gas fired plant. Then Obama shut them down. The capital improvement bonds to pay for those air scrubbers depended on those plants generating electricity. That fact those plants are offline (and in many cases disassembled beyond the point of any hope of a restart) has no bearing on those bonds. They still have to be paid. As a result, many electric bills, especially in the northeast went up by 25%-35%. This leads to higher prices on everything.

All of that other nonsense you wrote hinges on the fantasy that climate change f/k/a Al Gore's Church of Global Warming is real.

Here's what I will do for you. Audit all the research. We are talking independent scientists with no dog in the fight. Reproduce their experiments. Check their math. See if the data can be restored to the original numbers before it was twice hacked by researchers. Look at their methodology and verify they followed their own rules. Once that is done, if someone can show me there is something to this garbage aside from the con game we've seen to date, then we can talk about passing laws, limiting our freedom, and costing us money.

Right now I am not buying it and will vote against anyone that does.

Post by Securitatem Primum suppressed by a moderator.

This is more like it!

I come from The East Pacific, who hated me for saying the rights of one trumps unfair and tyrannical rule.

**** New WA Resolution Notification *****

There is currently a new General Assembly Resolution at vote. When expressing your opinion, please note which Resolution it is for. And remember Texans, your individual vote does count!

The new Resolution is called:
"Sensible Limits On Industry Act
A resolution to enact uniform standards that protect workers, consumers, and the general public.

Category: Regulation  Area of Effect: Safety  Proposed by: Islands of unity

The World Assembly,

Recognizing that privately-owned businesses might prioritize profits above"...

<see the General Assembly for full text and to vote>"

Synopsis: The General Assembly is attempting to thwart Industry! Really? Sorry, this is a bad idea despite what the Resolution author has to say about it. Zero Stars. NewTexas will go on record as AGAINST on this Resolution. This is only the opinion of NewTexas. We look forward to other Texans' opinions and comments on this Resolution. If good arguments to the contrary are made, we will reconsider our position.

The Texas response was flat on the last GA vote -- Repeal: "Right To Self-Defense" -- which was passed after gaining 77.8% of the vote. As a reminder, all we are looking for is a simple 10% of Texans to say one way or another. We are a force for change in the WA. Every vote counts! There were 3 publicly-expressed opinions on the last Resolution with the final Texas tally running 1 FOR and 2 AGAINST and 0 ABSTAIN and 0 UNDECIDED. Texans were somewhat split on that one.

If you would like to take part in shaping the world you live in, please vote. Voting is a right and a privilege, please consider using it. And, if you are not a member of the World Assembly, we strongly encourage you to join.

All Texas WA Member nations please vote. Please make your Texan opinions known in Texas by 11:00 PM Thursday and in the World Assembly voting booth by 11:00 PM Texas Time on Friday the 9th. Current voting in The World is running - Votes FOR: 4955 Votes AGAINST: 6437

Big Tex

PS: Remember, be sure to vote at the World Assembly too!

A dead brothel keeper beat his Democrat challenger in a Nevada election on Tuesday. This comes under the heading of stuff you cannot make up because no one would believe it.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/07/dead-brothel-owner-dennis-hof-wins-nevada-election/

Issues Test Bed wrote:A dead brothel keeper beat his Democrat challenger in a Nevada election on Tuesday. This comes under the heading of stuff you cannot make up because no one would believe it.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/07/dead-brothel-owner-dennis-hof-wins-nevada-election/

This kind of stuff is pretty rare, but it has indeed happened before on a larger scale to a losing candidate. The 1872 Democratic Nominee, Horace Greeley, died before the electoral votes could be filed (November 28th), meaning that a variety of democrats got the electoral vote of the party as opposed to Greeley. It was pretty messy to say the least. The electoral count was probably one of the oddest ever. 286-42-18-3-2-1.

Indian Empire wrote:This kind of stuff is pretty rare, but it has indeed happened before on a larger scale to a losing candidate. The 1872 Democratic Nominee, Horace Greeley, died before the electoral votes could be filed (November 28th), meaning that a variety of democrats got the electoral vote of the party as opposed to Greeley. It was pretty messy to say the least. The electoral count was probably one of the oddest ever. 286-42-18-3-2-1.

I think it proves that a dead brothel keeper is still better than a live Democrat.

Reminder:

There's still a couple of weeks left to enter the Forestian Autumnal Writing Contest.

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Forestian Autumnal Writing Contest

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Welcome! Forest is proud to announce its first writing contest! Judged by a panel of three Forestians, this writing contest will consist of two categories. Nations are free to enter one or both categories. There will be a winner, one runner up and up to three honorable mentions for each category.

Details

The Categories

There are two categories: Prose and Poetry. Applicants may enter one or both categories - although obviously not with the same piece of writing!

The Prompt

The prompt is:

Leaves

It is up to the writer to interpret this however they wish.

Entering the Contest

Entries can be TG'd to any of the judges. Simply state whether it is an entry for Prose or Poetry.

Entries will open on Monday 22nd October and close on Thursday 22nd November. There will be a two week period set aside for judging, with the winners announced on Friday 7th December.

Embassy Regions

This contest is open to all Forestians and any nations residing in regions that Forest maintains an embassy with.

Judging

Criteria

Entries will be judged on the following criteria: construction of the text, interesting interpretations of the prompt and finally engaging ideas.

Spelling, punctuation and grammar will not officially be judged; however it will be taken into account when looking at the other criteria. If your submission is particularly full of errors to the point it makes the text indecipherable or hard to follow, your submission will likely not score as highly and may be rejected.

The Judges

The panel will consist of Caracasus, The New Bluestocking Homeland and Zwangzug - all experienced issue authors and editors.

As an aside, the kind of skills needed to succeed in this competition are rather similar to the skills needed to write good issues. If you find that you enjoy the submission process, consider checking out the Got Issues? forum!

A Reminder

NationStates, as a website, does have certain rules surrounding offensive material. From the Moderation sticky:

Offensive Material: As mentioned previously, we use the US movie rating "PG-13" standard. Mild swearing may be tolerated, mild sexuality may be hinted, but explicit or excessive versions of either or both will result in moderation intervention.

Bear in mind this would cover material sent via Telegrams too.

Good luck and Happy Writing!

Read dispatch

Break out your creative hats and typewriters and get submitting!

A new poll has been posted and there are more in the pipeline

The Utensils. I can just make my thanksgiving dinner small amounts of finger food or nothing at all. Problem Solved. ;)

Indian Empire wrote:The Utensils. I can just make my thanksgiving dinner small amounts of finger food or nothing at all.

I can live on leftover turkey, stuffing, mashed potato, gravy, and cranberry sauce sandwiches for days. Adding green bean casserole still doesn't wreck it. If I have it at the table on Thursday it wouldn't matter in the slightest. And pumpkin pie is finger food. Ask any toddler.

Frisbeeteria wrote:I can live on leftover turkey, stuffing, mashed potato, gravy, and cranberry sauce sandwiches for days. Adding green bean casserole still doesn't wreck it. If I have it at the table on Thursday it wouldn't matter in the slightest. And pumpkin pie is finger food. Ask any toddler.

Don't forget the sweet potatoes covered in brown sugar and marshmallows while watching some football.

Gig em Aggies wrote:Don't forget the sweet potatoes covered in brown sugar and marshmallows

It's my sandwich. I'll forget what I want to forget ... and that makes my "forget" list.

***** Texas Saturday Breakfast *****

WooHoo, Saturday Breakfast Redux! Today is Breakfast Sandwich II Saturday! YeHaw! We had so much fun whipping up one-handed breakfasts last weekend, we are doing it again. Let's kick things off with a Pancake Pounder - two rich, saucer-sized, buttermilk pancakes holding an equally impressively-sized, freshly-ground, maple/sage sausage patty. The whole shebang is generously spread with fresh, whipped honey/maple butter. Man, this sucker is a one-pound beast of breakfast goodness. Want to go funky? No problemo - try our Green Eggs and Ham Hoagie! We take genuine Texas, farm-raised Grade A Jumbo Eggs and scramble them up with enough parsley, cilantro & chives to make them more green than yellow, smear them on a short loaf of French Bread lightly seared up until golden brown in Belgian Chimay butter, imported from our friends in Belgium no less. Then we top it off with a slab of Texas smoked hickory ham lightly simmered in Red Eye Gravy. WooHoo! Get decadent by adding Longhorn Jack cheese! Not so hungry, no prob with the Crepettes - light, tender, eggy crepes filled with your choice of Cinnamon Apples, Poteet Strawberry Jam or Banana & Chocolate Chips! For the Good Ol' Boys, we have the Beefy Hungry Texan Breakfast Sandwich made with a couple of thick slabs of golden Texas Toast glistening with butter wrapping a pair of hard-fried eggs topped with mini-Filet Mignon, grilled to order, and slathered in chili con queso and finished with homemade bacon bits. It doesn't get much better than this Pardner! We are having so much fun with these suckers, we may have even more all-new Breakfast Sandwiches next week! By popular demand, we will keep open the Juice Bar with all the standard Juices - Orange, Apple, Grapefruit, and Tomato. New to the lineup is homemade Vey Ocho! Guess all Ocho and win a free case of cans to take home. Try "The Suicide" - we dare you! It doesn't get much better than this! Start your day off the right way, munch out and go back to sleep. Of course, The Never Ending Urn of Coffee is full and ready to help you wash it all down. Come on down and start your day right Texas. You know you want to!®

***** Texas Election Reminder *****

In Texas Election News, Third Trimester 2018 Texas Elections start Sunday, November 25, 2018! It will start with Nominations Week which will run for a week. Speech & Campaign Week starts Sunday, December 2, 2018. Election Week will start on Sunday, December 9, 2018. And, Election Results will be announced at High Noon on Sunday, December 16, 2018!

If you have any new positions to propose, there is a place for that. You only have about 15¼ days left to do it. Tick, Tock... If you would like to make some Constitutional Amendments, have Repeals to offer and or would like to propose new Articles, then you have until December 9, 2018 - 29 more days of discussion! If you have questions about how this works, there is a link to the forum at the top of this page! Just to be clear:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/texas1/2018-3rd-trimester-elections-f271/

Threads are up and ready! Let's go Texas!

***** Texas Chat Reminder *****

The Texas Weekly Chat Session will be Saturday (TODAY) at High Noon Texas Time (CDT) ***Saturday***. And, if you can't be there right at Noon, that is Ok, Texas Chat usually runs 3, 4, 5 hours with some Chats running as high as 7 or 8 hours.

The Texas Chat Site is here: http://texasregion.net/blab70/login.php

Please register with your nation name. This is a great opportunity for nations old and new to Texas to find out what is going on! We chat, we debate, we talk about the weather, we talk about stuff we like, stuff we hate, random stuff and more stuff. But, it is never stuffy. Usually, it is about meeting your fellow Texans and talking about the latest and most interesting stuff in NationStates at the moment. But then again, sometimes NationStates does not even come up. It is wide-open chatting with peeps from around The World both IRL and NS. It is Texans, EuroTexans, WannabeTexans, ex-Texans, and plenty of Friends of Texans. We have it all and all are welcome. Texas Chat, 714 weeks and running! For the math-challenged, that is over 14¼ years! Check it out! Good stuff!

**** New WA Resolution Notification *****

There is currently a new General Assembly Resolution at vote. When expressing your opinion, please note which Resolution it is for. And remember Texans, your individual vote does count!

The new Resolution is called:
"Don't Kill The Poor Act
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Civil Rights  Strength: Significant  Proposed by: The Wallenburgian World Assembly Offices

Celebrating a history of protecting essential sapient rights"...

<see the General Assembly for full text and to vote>"

Synopsis: The General Assembly attempts to set a dangerous precedent for legislating the obvious with this one. Don't kill the poor, really? What is next? Don't stare at the sun? Hippos really are quite large? Well, we like that last one, but think the current one is stupid. Zero Stars. NewTexas will go on record as AGAINST on this Resolution. This is only the opinion of NewTexas. We look forward to other Texans' opinions and comments on this Resolution. If good arguments to the contrary are made, we will reconsider our position.

The Texas response was down on the last GA vote -- Sensible Limits On Industry Act -- which was defeated after gaining only 38.7% of the vote. As a reminder, all we are looking for is a simple 10% of Texans to say one way or another. We are a force for change in the WA. Every vote counts! There were 2 publicly-expressed opinions on the last Resolution with the final Texas tally running 0 FOR and 2 AGAINST and 0 ABSTAIN and 0 UNDECIDED. Texans were unanimous! Yay!

If you would like to take part in shaping the world you live in, please vote. Voting is a right and a privilege, please consider using it. And, if you are not a member of the World Assembly, we strongly encourage you to join.

All Texas WA Member nations please vote. Please make your Texan opinions known in Texas by 11:00 PM Tuesday and in the World Assembly voting booth by 11:00 PM Texas Time on Wednesday the 14th. Current voting in The World is running - Votes FOR: 2937 Votes AGAINST: 1096

Big Tex

PS: Remember, be sure to vote at the World Assembly too!

Happy Veterans Day Texas! For those who may be unaware, Veterans Day is a patriotic day to honor all American veteran soldiers. It was originally created as "a legal holiday - a day to be dedicated to the cause of world peace and to be thereafter celebrated" in 1926 after World War I. In 1938, it was named Armistice Day. After World War II, it was renamed Veterans Day by President Eisenhower. It is a legal holiday in all states. It is generally marked by parades to honor veterans. It is a celebration to honor America's veterans for their patriotism, love of country, and willingness to serve and sacrifice for the common good. Be sure and tell any veterans you see or come in contact with "Thank you". We know Texas, as a region, has many veterans and we wish them all a big Texas-sized Thank-you! Don't forget to thank our active duty soldiers as well. Texas veterans, please stand up so we can salute you!

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

NewTexas wrote:Happy Veterans Day Texas! Be sure and tell any veterans you see or come in contact with "Thank you". We know Texas, as a region, has many veterans and we wish them all a big Texas-sized Thank-you! Don't forget to thank our active duty soldiers as well. Texas veterans, please stand up so we can salute you!

As the line from a poem goes, "I'm proud to stand here like my fathers before me."

Trecdom2 wrote:R.I.P. Stan Lee.

That sucks hope there is a tribute after Avengers 4 or even Captain Marvel. But he's now writing new comics for the angels to enjoy.

More Texans would rather eat in their swimsuit and a Pilgrim hat than with no utensils. Let's see what the next poll brings.

Mmm, flies! Goes well with our halo of them!

<bonus points to oldsters who get it>

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